In this episode, Camille engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Kevin Spelman, a highly experienced Ayurvedic practitioner, researcher, and phytotherapist with decades of experience in clinical trials and education. Dr. Spelman shares his insights on the significance of personalized medicine, emphasizing the need for a deeper understanding of patients beyond "cookie-cutter" herbal solutions. Together, they explore the challenges of clinical education and the importance of critical thinking in integrative practices. Their discussion also delves into philosophical perspectives and the role of herbal energetics in forming a comprehensive approach to patient care. This episode invites listeners to rethink traditional educational models and encourages embracing a more holistic and individualized approach in clinical herbalism. Join them as they navigate the evolving landscape of herbal medicine education, offering food for thought for clinicians and educators. Dr. Spelman taught a class on medicinal mushrooms as part of the 2025 Immune Deep Dive. Books Recommended by Dr. Spelman Philosophy Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu Meditations by Marcus Aurelius The Tree of Knowledge Maturana and Varela Learned Optimism Martin Seligman Food of the Gods Terrance McKenna Wisdom: From Philosophy to Neuroscience By Stephen Hall The Systems View of Life By Capra & Luisi Medical History Doctors By Sherwin Nuland The Mysteries Within By Sherwin Nuland Epidemics and History By Sheldon Watts The Origins of Human Diet & Medicine By Timothy Johns The Magical Staff By Matthew Wood Why Some Like It Hot By Gary Nabhan Edible Medicines By Nina Etkin Biochemical Individuality By Roger Williams Learn more about Dr. Kevin Spelman at www.phytochemks.com