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Gray Matters
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State
151 episodes
5 days ago
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gray Center events.

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The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gray Center events.

Listen to all episodes of Gray Matters at Ricochet.com.
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Government
Episodes (20/151)
Gray Matters
John Vecchione on What the Constitution Says About Presidents and Tariffs
Bennett Nuss chats with New Civil Liberties Alliance Senior Litigation Counsel John Vecchione about the tariff case pending before the Supreme Court, Learning Resources, Inc. v. Trump. They discuss the main arguments about the extent of the president’s power over tariff policy and what the court might decide.

Notes:
  • Trump’s tariffs are unconstitutional—we’re suing to end them, John J. Vecchione and Andrew J. Morris 
  • NCLA’s amicus brief in the Learning Resources case 
  • President Donald Trump’s reply brief in the Learning Resources case 
  • Prof. Chad Squitieri’s amicus brief in the Learning Resources case 
  • Prof. Aditya Bamzai’s amicus brief in the Learning Resources case 
  • Adam White at SCOTUSblog on the Learning Resources case 

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5 days ago
44 minutes

Gray Matters
Christopher J. Walker on Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative Law
Jace Lington chats with University of Michigan Law Professor Christopher J. Walker about how to reinvigorate Congress in light of the changing administrative law landscape. They discuss his recent article, Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative Law, and his ideas about how Congress can play a larger role in federal policymaking.

Notes:
  • Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative Law, Christopher J. Walker 
  • Delegation and Time, Jonathan H. Adler & Christopher J. Walker 
  • Congress’s Anti-Removal Power, Aaron L. Nielson & Christopher J. Walker 
  • Post-Chevron Working Group Report, Sen. Eric Schmitt (R-MO) 
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4 weeks ago
42 minutes

Gray Matters
Daniel Kelly on Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication
Jace Lington chats with former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Daniel Kelly about what the Constitution says regarding who may exercise the judicial power. They discuss his new Gray Center policy brief, Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication, and his argument that the Supreme Court should go further and hold that the Constitution requires many trials now handled by agency adjudicators to take place in the proper forum—an Article III court. 

Notes:
  • Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication, Daniel Kelly
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2 months ago
1 hour 6 minutes

Gray Matters
Beau Baumann on the History of Legislative Constitutionalism
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Beau J. Baumann about his historical research into the Offices of Legislative Counsel. They discuss his forthcoming paper, Resurrecting the Trinity of Legislative Constitutionalism, and how Progressive reformers at the turn of the twentieth century built institutions to arrest congressional decline.

Notes:

Resurrecting the Trinity of Legislative Constitutionalism, Beau J. Baumann 

How Chief Justice Taft Wrote the Famous Myers Opinion, with Robert Post, Gray Matters 
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1 year ago
52 minutes

Gray Matters
Jennifer Mascott on the Appointments Clause and Special Counsel Jack Smith
Jace Lington chats with Jenn Mascott about Judge Aileen Cannon's decision to dismiss the classified documents case against Donald Trump. They discuss the Appointments Clause and the broader context of the debate surrounding the special counsel investigation of the former president.

Notes:
  • Judge Aileen Cannon's decision in US v. Trump
  • Justice Thomas's concurring opinion in Trump v. US
  • Jenn Mascott's Stanford Law Review article on the Appointments Clause
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1 year ago
32 minutes

Gray Matters
A Debate on The Right—Climate Lawsuits and Federalism: What Is the Role of State Tort Law?
This is a rebroadcast of a panel discussion from an event we co-hosted on May 15, 2024, with the Manhattan Institute and the Federalist Society. The panelists discuss whether state tort law is an appropriate tool for addressing climate change and the petition for certiorari in Sunoco LP, et al. v. City and County of Honolulu.

Featured Speakers:
  • Jonathan Adler, Case Western Reserve University School of Law
  • James Copland, Senior Fellow and Director of Legal Policy, Manhattan Institute
  • Donald Kochan, Antonin Scalia Law School
  • Jennifer Mascott, C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State
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1 year ago
1 hour 8 minutes

Gray Matters
Federal Preemption and Environmental Regulation
This is a rebroadcast of the Gray Center's Federal Preemption and Environmental Regulation Webinar. We hosted this event on April 29, 2024, to discuss the issues involved in two pending cases where energy companies have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review whether the Clean Air Act preempts attempts by Honolulu, Hawaii, to redress certain climate change-related alleged injuries. 

Featured Speakers:
  • Jonathan Adler, Case Western Reserve University School of Law
  • Richard Epstein, New York University
  • Edmund LaCour, Solicitor General of Alabama
  • Jennifer Mascott, C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State
  • Adam White, C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State 
Notes:
  • Video of the Webinar
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1 year ago
1 hour 26 minutes

Gray Matters
Paul Ray's Critique of the Expertise Rationale for Chevron Deference
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with former OIRA Administrator Paul J. Ray about his new paper, “Lover, Mystic, Bureaucrat, Judge: The Communication of Expertise and the Deference Doctrines.” In the paper, Mr. Ray critiques the expertise rationale for Chevron deference, arguing that agency employees can share much of the special knowledge they use to make decisions with reviewing courts. 

Notes:
  • Lover, Mystic, Bureaucrat, Judge: The Communication of Expertise and the Deference Doctrines, Paul J. Ray 
  • Keynote Address and Fireside Chat, October 2023, Chevron on Trial: The Supreme Court and the Future of Agency Authority and Expertise 
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1 year ago
47 minutes

Gray Matters
Equity and the Administrative State
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the Georgetown Journal of Law & Public Policy recently hosted a series of webinars ahead of a forthcoming symposium on Equity and the Administrative State.

This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion from February 23, 2024, about affirmative action and other ways regulators pursue equity through the administrative state featuring Ming Chen, Jesse Merriam, and Bijal Shah, moderated by Kmele Foster.

Notes:
Video of the Webinar
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1 year ago
1 hour 29 minutes

Gray Matters
Racial Classifications and Democratic Institutions
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the Georgetown Journal of Law & Public Policy recently hosted a series of webinars ahead of a forthcoming symposium on Equity and the Administrative State.

This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion about the use of racial classifications to make public policy and how race has affected the character of American institutions featuring David Bernstein, Jonathan Berry, and Joy Milligan, moderated by Renée Landers.

Notes:
  • Watch a video of the discussion
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1 year ago
1 hour 31 minutes

Gray Matters
Disney v. Democracy
Jace Lington chats with Scalia Law Professor Donald J. Kochan about Florida and Disney. They discuss his recent paper applying public choice theory to Florida’s Reedy Creek Improvement Act of 1967 and why the special treatment Disney received from the state is not a good model for state and local regulation.

Notes:
  • Disney v. Democracy? A Public Choice and Good Governance Analysis of Florida’s Reedy Creek Improvement Act of 1967 and Its Resulting Regime, Donald J. Kochan
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1 year ago
58 minutes

Gray Matters
Jed Shugerman's Major Questions About Emergency Powers and Standing
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Law Professor Jed Handelsman Shugerman about lingering issues following the Supreme Court’s decision in the Biden v. Nebraska student loan case. They discuss a recent paper Shugerman presented at a Gray Center research roundtable, “Biden v. Nebraska: The New State Standing and the (Old) Purposive Major Questions Doctrine.”

Notes:
  • Biden v. Nebraska: The New State Standing and the (Old) Purposive Major Questions Doctrine, Jed Handelsman Shugerman
  • Major Questions About Presidentialism: Untangling the “Chain of Dependence” Across Administrative Law, Jed Handelsman Shugerman and Jodi L. Short
  • Standing Without Injury, Jonathan H. Adler
  • An Originalist Defense of the Major Questions Doctrine, Michael D. Ramsey
  • The Major Questions Doctrine: Right Diagnosis, Wrong Remedy, Thomas W. Merrill
  • The Ghosts of Chevron Present and Future, Gary S. Lawson
  • The Major Answers Doctrine, Lisa Heinzerling
  • The New Purpose and Intent in Major Questions Cases, Anita S. Krishnakumar
  • The Major Questions Doctrine: Unfounded, Unbounded, and Confounded, Ronald M. Levin
  • The Minor Questions Doctrine, Aaron L. Nielson
  • The Major Questions Doctrine Outside Chevron‘s Domain, Adam R.F. Gustafson
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1 year ago
1 hour 2 minutes

Gray Matters
Michael Ramsey’s Originalist Defense of the Major Questions Doctrine
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Law Professor Michael D. Ramsey about how originalists can defend the major questions doctrine as a substantive canon of interpretation. He examines post-ratification court practice and other substantive canons designed by judges to minimize the harms of judicial error when interpreting ambiguous statutes. Ramsey recently presented a paper on this subject at a Gray Center research roundtable.

Notes:
  • An Originalist Defense of the Major Questions Doctrine, Michael D. Ramsey
  • The Major Questions Doctrine: Right Diagnosis, Wrong Remedy, Thomas W. Merrill
  • The Ghosts of Chevron Present and Future, Gary S. Lawson
  • Biden v. Nebraska: The New State Standing and the (Old) Purposive Major Questions Doctrine, Jed Handelsman Shugerman
  • The Major Answers Doctrine, Lisa Heinzerling
  • The New Purpose and Intent in Major Questions Cases, Anita S. Krishnakumar
  • The Major Questions Doctrine: Unfounded, Unbounded, and Confounded, Ronald M. Levin
  • The Minor Questions Doctrine, Aaron L. Nielson
  • The Major Questions Doctrine Outside Chevron‘s Domain, Adam R.F. Gustafson
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1 year ago
52 minutes

Gray Matters
Fixing Deference with Ronald A. Cass
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Ronald A. Cass about the future of judicial deference to agency actions. They discuss Cass’s recent papers, “Fixing Deference: Delegation, Discretion, and Deference Under Separated Powers,” published by the New York University Journal of Law & Liberty, and “Getting Deference Right,” published by National Affairs. Ron insists on the crucial distinction between court decisions on what the law means and agency decisions about policy implementation.

Notes:

  • Fixing Deference: Delegation, Discretion, and Deference Under Separated Powers (NYU JLL, 2023)
  • Getting Deference Right (National Affairs, 2024)
  • Loper Bright Amicus Brief, Gray Center Separation of Powers Clinic
  • Gray Center 2023 Rule of Law Symposium
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1 year ago
58 minutes

Gray Matters
The Future of Financial Regulation Panel 2: What Should Regulate the Financial Regulators?
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State, the Mercatus Center, and the Journal of Law, Economics & Policy recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of financial regulation.

This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring law professors Bridget C.E. Dooling and Kristin E. Hickman along with former OIRA Administrator Paul J. Ray and AEI Senior Fellow Emeritus Peter Wallison, moderated by Gray Center Co-Executive Director Adam White.

They discuss OIRA oversight of financial regulators and how to reform federal financial regulations.

Notes:
  • Videos from the conference
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1 year ago
1 hour 14 minutes

Gray Matters
The Future of Financial Regulation Panel 1: What is the Future of Financial Regulation?
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State, the Mercatus Center, and the Journal of Law, Economics & Policy recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of financial regulation. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring the Hoover Institution's John H. Cochrane and professors Kathryn Judge, Jonathan R. Macey, and Todd J. Zywicki, moderated by Scalia Law professor Paolo Saguato. They discuss banking regulation, consumer finance, and what might be coming next in the world of financial regulation.

Notes:
  • Videos from the conference
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1 year ago
1 hour 28 minutes

Gray Matters
The Future of Financial Regulation: Keynote Conversation with Jelena McWilliams
This episode of Gray Matters is the first of a three-part series and came out of a recent conference we hosted about the future of financial regulation. In this episode, Adam White speaks with former FDIC Chairman Jelena McWilliams about the current state of banking regulation. They discuss presidential oversight of the FDIC, how chairman McWilliams thought about her role, and the most pressing issues facing banks and regulators today.

Notes:
  • Videos from the conference
  • Chairman McWilliams's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal about changes in FDIC practice
  • Wall Street Journal editorial about Chairman McWilliams's resignation from the FDIC
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1 year ago
33 minutes

Gray Matters
Cicero Institute 2023 Report on State Regulatory Process Reform
Adam White and Jace Lington talk with Jonathan Wolfson about a new Cicero Institute report that ranks state regulatory systems based on their accountability, responsiveness, and transparency. They discuss cost-benefit analysis, regulatory sunset provisions, state-level centralized review modeled on OIRA, and venue restrictions.

Notes:
  • Matthew Nolan and Jonathan Wolfson, National Regulatory Reform: Progress Rankings Report 2023
  • Matthew Nolan and Jonathan Wolfson, State Regulatory Processes Are Ripe for Reform, Governing
  • Cicero Institute, Regulatory Sunset Model Bill
  • Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, Administrative Law in the States
  • Eugene Scalia, 2023 C. Boyden Gray Lecture on the Administrative State, “The Administrative State Debate: A View From the Secretary’s Office”
  • 2021, Stuart Shapiro, The Impossibility of Legislative Regulatory Reform and the Futility of Executive Regulatory Reform, George Mason Law Review
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1 year ago
46 minutes

Gray Matters
Chevron on Trial Panel 4: The Future of Deference and Environmental Law
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the George Mason Law Review recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of Chevron Deference. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring Professors Caroline Cecot, Emily Hammond, and E. Donald Elliott, moderated by Senior Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. They focus on the future of Chevron deference in the context of environmental and energy law.

Notes:
Video from the conference
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1 year ago
1 hour 5 minutes

Gray Matters
Chevron on Trial Panel 3: Who Interprets Statutes?
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the George Mason Law Review recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of Chevron Deference. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring Aditya Bamzai, Jonathan S. Masur, Eli Nachmany, Victoria F. Nourse, moderated by Judge Chad A. Readler of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit.

Notes:
Video from the conference
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1 year ago
1 hour 10 minutes

Gray Matters
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gray Center events.

Listen to all episodes of Gray Matters at Ricochet.com.