In this episode of Family Law and More, Claudia Saxton (Consultant Barrister) and Lisa Edmunds (CEO and Head of Chambers) from Unit Chambers are joined by Dan Knox, Solicitor at AFG Solicitors, to explore one of the most challenging aspects of family law; balancing legal fairness with human emotion during divorce.
Drawing on his diverse background, Dan shares powerful insights into how solicitors and barristers can better understand and manage client emotions during one of the most difficult times of their lives.
In this episode, we discuss:
- How to navigate the emotional and psychological impact of divorce
- Why mental health awareness is key to effective legal support
- The importance of one-to-one engagement and reading body language in client meetings
- How mediation and ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution) can reduce emotional strain and costs
- Practical ways to manage client expectations and timeframes
This conversation is essential listening for family law professionals, solicitors, and clients seeking to understand how empathy, communication, and tailored legal responses can make a real difference in family law cases.
About the podcast:
Family Law and More is the official podcast from Unit Chambers, a leading set of family law barristers based in Liverpool and Manchester. Each episode brings together experienced legal minds to discuss the evolving landscape of family law, practical insights, and the human stories behind the cases (https://podfollow.com/unitchambers).
Learn more about Unit Chambers: https://www.unit.law
Subscribe to Family Law and More for expert insights, real discussions, and the latest developments in family law.
Hosts:
Claudia Saxton (Consultant Barrister) https://https://www.unit.law/claudia-saxton
Lisa Edmunds (CEO and Head of Chambers) https://https://www.unit.law/lisa-edmunds
Guest:
Dan Knox (AFG Solicitors) https://www.afglaw.co.uk/staff/dan-knox/
With thanks to our production partner: https://stanleyroad.tv
In this episode of Family Law and More by Unit Chambers, barristers Isabel Hawkins and Emily Henshaw sit down with Nikki Jayne Potter, a certified Positive Psychology and Alcohol-Free Performance Coach, wellbeing speaker, and founder of Uncork Your Best Self (https://nikkijaynecoaching.com).
Together, they explore the concept of the “middle lane drinker," those who don’t necessarily identify as having a problem with alcohol but may rely on it to cope with stress, particularly in demanding professions like law. Nikki shares her insights on how to build resilience, wellbeing, and clarity without alcohol, and how legal professionals can support both clients and colleagues in an industry where drinking culture is deeply ingrained.
Topics covered:
- Understanding “middle lane” drinking
- Alcohol in the legal profession
- Burnout, balance, and boundaries
- Positive psychology and performance coaching
- Tools and resources for alcohol-free living
Referenced resources:
Alcohol Explained – William Porter (https://www.amazon.com/Alcohol-Explained-William-Porter/dp/1516997190)
This Naked Mind – Annie Grace (https://www.amazon.co.jp/This-Naked-Mind-Annie-Grace/dp/0008293465)
The Sober Diaries (https://www.amazon.com/Sober-Diaries-stopped-drinking-started/dp/1473661900)
The Unexpected Joy of Being Sober (https://www.amazon.com/Unexpected-Joy-Being-Sober-alcohol-free/dp/1912023385)
Over the Influence podcast – DJ Sharon Hartley (https://www.overtheinfluence.co.uk/podcast)
Connect with Nikki Jayne:
https://nikkijaynecoaching.com
Instagram: @uncorkyourbestself
With thanks to our production partner: https://stanleyroad.tv
What does Deprivation of Liberty really mean in the context of children and how does it differ from a secure accommodation order?
In this important episode of Family Law and More, we’re joined by Misha Ryan, Senior Consultant Barrister at Unit Chambers and leading practitioner in Deprivation of Liberty (DoLs) cases, to unpack a complex and evolving area of law.
We explore how DoLs applies specifically to disabled children and those with mental health needs, and examine the growing reliance on the Inherent Jurisdiction to bridge gaps in local authority resources.
Misha discusses the key distinctions between DoLs and Secure Accommodation Orders, and whether the flexibility of DoLs comes at a systemic cost.
We also take a closer look at the National DoLs Court its fixed hour listings, rotating judges and whether this centralised model truly serves the best interests of vulnerable children, or whether a return to more localised decision-making is needed.
A must-listen for family law professionals navigating the increasingly blurred lines between welfare, liberty, and legal oversight in children's cases.
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Pensions are often the most valuable, and most overlooked, asset in divorce proceedings. In this episode of Family Law and More, we’re joined by Richard Nobbs of Excalibur Actuaries, a key contributor to the Pensions Advisory Group, to unpack the complexities of pensions on divorce.
We explore why pensions matter, how they fit into the broader financial picture, and what family law practitioners should be looking out for from the outset.
Richard shares expert insights on when a pension merits further investigation, when it doesn’t, and how to approach cases where instructing a pensions expert may not be possible.
Whether you're newly qualified or highly experienced, this episode will sharpen your understanding of when and how to engage with pensions effectively in your cases.
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The Roma and Traveller communities in the UK have historically faced discrimination, systemic barriers, and deep-rooted misconceptions within the family justice system. Despite legal protections, many families continue to encounter prejudices, lack of cultural understanding, and disproportionate interventions.
In this episode, we explore:
— The unique challenges faced by Roma & Traveller families in family law cases
— The role of cultural misunderstanding & bias in social work and legal proceedings
— How domestic abuse support & safeguarding differ in these communities
— The impact of care proceedings & child protection interventions
— What family law professionals can do to ensure fairer outcomes
This is an essential conversation for family law practitioners, social workers, policymakers, and advocates working with Roma & Traveller communities. Produced and distributed by Innobella Media.
Honour-based violence (HBV), forced marriage and Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) remain hidden forms of abuse, often intersecting with family law cases. While the family courts play a crucial role in protecting victims, many practitioners still struggle to identify and navigate these complex issues. We speak with Afrah Qassim, Founder and CEO of Savera UK, a Merseyside-based national charity working to end 'honour'-based abuse (HBA) and harmful practices.
In this episode, we break down:
— What constitutes honour-based violence and how it manifests in family law cases
— The legal frameworks & protections in the UK (e.g., FGM Protection Orders, Forced Marriage Protection Orders)
— Warning signs and risk factors for practitioners to be aware of
— The challenges of gathering evidence & ensuring victim safety in court
— How legal professionals can provide effective and culturally-sensitive support
Whether you're a family law practitioner, safeguarding professional or someone wanting to understand these critical issues, this episode is essential listening.
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In this special episode, barristers Amjad Kadhim and Bella Tait turn the tables and put CEO and Head of Chambers, Lisa Edmunds, in the hot seat. Recently named Resolution Barrister of the Year 2025, Lisa opens up about what drives her relentless pursuit of change in the legal world, how she handles critics in a disruptor-led chambers and the case that’s left the biggest mark on her career. It’s candid, it’s inspiring and it’s Lisa like you’ve never heard her before.
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The legal profession is known for its high-pressure environment, long hours and relentless workloads—but at what cost? As part of Stress Awareness Month, this episode will explore the critical importance of wellbeing in the legal sector, tackling stigma, burnout and mental health challenges that many barristers and solicitors face.
Our expert panel will discuss:
— The reality of stress & burnout in the legal profession – how widespread is the problem?
— Cultural challenges in the Bar – why is mental health still a taboo topic?
— Practical strategies for maintaining wellbeing – what works and what doesn’t?
— What firms, chambers & organisations can do – creating a culture of support.
— The Bar Council’s initiatives – what support is available for legal professionals?
Whether you’re a junior barrister, seasoned advocate or aspiring legal professional, this conversation is for you. It’s time to put wellbeing at the heart of legal practice.
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The family courts operate behind closed doors, but should they? The issue of transparency in family proceedings has sparked heated debate among legal professionals, journalists, and campaigners. While privacy is essential to protect vulnerable children and families, there are increasing concerns that secrecy allows failings to go unchallenged.
In this episode, Lisa and Claudia sit down with Louise Tickle, a leading journalist pushing for greater openness in the family courts, to discuss:
Reference to previous episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0IpU8f1FPLsIdcC38N7rxO?si=17a6d29e4ae64afc
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The role of Cafcass (Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service) in domestic abuse cases is crucial, yet often misunderstood. With the recent updates to the Cafcass Domestic Abuse Practice Policy, we’ll explore how these guidelines impact family court proceedings, child safeguarding, and parental contact arrangements.
In this episode, we’ll break down:
Let’s dive into what these policy changes mean for legal professionals, parents and the children at the heart of these cases.
References: Re L-G (Risk Assessment) [2025] EWCA Civ 60, Re T (Children: Risk Assessment) [2025] EWCA Civ 93, Cafcass policy, PD12J
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In the unpredictable journey to pupillage, resilience is key. Join host Lisa Edmunds in a candid and uplifting conversation with our special guest, Fiona Flemington, as they navigate the challenging topic of handling rejection in pupillage applications and interviews. In this episode of our 'Pupillage Prep' series, Fiona shares her insights on what to do if it's a "no" this time. Drawing from her wealth of experience, Fiona offers practical advice on maintaining resilience, learning from setbacks, and emerging stronger in the face of disappointment. Tune in for a heartfelt discussion that goes beyond the technicalities of applications and interviews, focusing on the human aspect of navigating a career in law. Whether you're facing your first rejection or looking for strategies to stay resilient, this episode provides guidance and encouragement to help you bounce back and continue your pursuit of pupillage.
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Gear up for success as we guide you through the ins and outs of interview day in the latest instalment of our 'Pupillage Prep' series. Joining Lisa in this episode are Eve Humphries, Practice Manager at Unit Chambers, Isabel Clarke, Pupil Barrister, and Roger Draper, Chairman of Unit Chambers. Together, they share invaluable tips and tricks to help you shine on your pupillage interview day. In this episode, we go beyond the basics, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the interview day procedures at Unit Chambers. Our panel unravel the dos and don'ts, providing a comprehensive guide on how to make a lasting impression. From understanding the interview format to showcasing your unique strengths, we've got you covered. Whether you're a seasoned interviewee or gearing up for your first pupillage interview, this episode is your go-to resource for mastering the interview stage of the pupillage process.
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Prepare for a captivating journey into the world of forensic testing as we delve into the critical role of DNA testing in family law cases. In this special episode, we're joined by distinguished guests David Nicholson and Casey Baldwin from DNA Legal, a trailblazing company specialising in drug, alcohol, paternity, and forensic testing. Our expert speakers shed light on the pivotal role of accurate testing in family law justice. From establishing paternity to navigating complex cases involving substance abuse, DNA Legal plays a crucial part in unravelling the truth. Join us as we explore the intricacies of their business and understand the profound impact of their work on the outcomes of family law cases.
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Embarking on the journey towards pupillage? Join hosts Bella Tait and Lisa Edmunds in this illuminating episode of our 'Pupillage Prep' series, where we decode the art of approaching the pupillage gateway and crafting stellar written applications. Our distinguished guest speakers, Unit Chambers Chairman Roger Draper and Pupil Barrister Isabel Clarke, bring a wealth of insights to the table. Together, we unravel the mysteries of the pupillage gateway, offering invaluable tips for navigating the written application process. This episode is your compass for a successful voyage through the pupillage application landscape. Tune in to gain practical advice, first-hand experiences, and the strategic know-how to make your application stand out.
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In our latest "Pupillage Prep" episode, we tackle the vital topic of resilience and mental wellbeing throughout the demanding pupillage application process. Our guest, Fiona Flemington, Director of the Insightful Coach and an experienced Executive Coach, shares her invaluable insights. Fiona provides expert advice on the mindsets and skills needed for excellence in today's challenging legal arena. She emphasises the significance of nurturing resilience and establishing effective routines to safeguard your mental health during the stressful pupillage applications. Whether you're an aspiring barrister or a seasoned legal pro, this episode offers essential guidance for maintaining wellbeing on your path to legal success.
Tune in for inspiration and actionable advice.
References:
Book on confidence – The Confident Mind: A Battle-Tested Guide to Unshakeable Confidence by Nathaniel Zinsser,
The Pupillage Podcast
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Join us for a special episode dedicated to the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women and Girls, observed on November 25th. We're honoured to welcome Lucy Hadley, Head of Policy at Women's Aid, a remarkable guest who sheds light on this crucial day. In this episode, we delve into the impactful work carried out by Women's Aid and the dedicated efforts of our team here at Unit in support of women and girls navigating the family law justice system.
The title of this episode, "Empowering Survivors: Tackling Violence Against Women and Girls," aptly reflects the important discussion on empowering survivors and taking a stand against violence. Tune in for a conversation that seeks to make a difference.
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Welcome to our "Pupillage Prep" series, your roadmap to a successful legal career. In this episode, we explore "Becoming a Family Law Barrister at the Self-Employed Bar." Join our discussion with our Consultant Barristers, Isabel and Bella, along with our CEO and Senior Consultant Barrister, Lisa Edmunds. They share their insights and experiences, offering valuable advice for aspiring barristers. Whether you're on the pupillage journey or curious about family law, this episode is your guide to success. Tune in and get ready for a bright legal future.
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In this special Pro Bono Week episode, we shine a light on the legal professions invaluable contribution of free legal aid to those in need. Meet our extraordinary guests, Emily McCurrie and Chloe Steel, case workers at Advocate. They share profound insights into the importance of pro bono work, especially in family law, where it can be truly life-changing. Led by our dedicated barristers, this episode explores essential legal topics and aims to make a real difference in the lives of individuals and families. Join us to discover the impact of pro bono work in family law and be inspired by the stories that shape our legal world.
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In this episode we delve into the critical role of digital forensics and cell site analysis. Welcome Ben Chieffo, who brings a wealth of experience to the conversation. With a decade-long career as a detective in Lancashire police, Ben is now the Cell Site Team Lead at CYFOR, a digital forensics investigation company offering invaluable insights into the world of electronic evidence. Ben and CYFOR's expertise opens up new avenues for exploration in the field of family law, particularly in matters concerning mobile phones, cloud accounts, social media profiles, and cell site analysis. Learn more about CYFOR here: https://cyfor.co.uk
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Is there really a place for Arbitration in the family justice system? In this episode we are joined by our Door Tenant and Head of St. Ives Chambers, Elizabeth Issacs KC.
As a specialist child law silk and a Family Division Deputy High Court Judge, Elizabeth has a national reputation for a compassionate, pragmatic and strategic approach, excellent advocacy and forensic preparation in complex public law cases.
Get her thoughts on arbitration in this thought-provoking episode.
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