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Fallthrough
Fallthrough Media
48 episodes
6 days ago
A deep and nuanced conversational podcast focused on technology, software, and computing.
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A deep and nuanced conversational podcast focused on technology, software, and computing.
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Fallthrough
The Fault In Our Clouds

First it was GCP in June. Then it was AWS in October. Then it was Azure a week later. It seems that our cloud providers are having outages far more often, and for far longer, than any of us would like. In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matthew discuss the two most recent outages along with some of their thoughts on the current state of the industry and the future of software.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! The panel talks about whether seeking a career with a FAANG company is worth it anymore, why building software for your local community is important, and their frustrations with point of sale systems. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

EXTRA! EXTRA! There's lots of bonus content in this episode! And if you're a supporter you're getting all of it. In this week's extra chapters the panel talks about whether we all need to be on large cloud providers, frustrations with food delivery app PINs, whether timeouts and retries should be our go to, and why it feels like software is constantly getting worse. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • AWS Outage Summary: https://aws.amazon.com/message/101925/
  • Azure Outage Summary: https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status/history/


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (00:03:03)
  • Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (00:27:15)
  • Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (00:27:41)
  • Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (00:28:11)
  • Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (00:39:37)
  • Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (00:40:07)
  • Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (00:40:54)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (00:42:42)
  • Epilogue (01:02:34)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:03) - Chapter 1: The AWS Outage
  • (27:15) - Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended]
  • (27:41) - Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended]
  • (28:11) - Chapter 4: The Azure Outage
  • (39:37) - Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended]
  • (40:07) - Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended]
  • (40:54) - Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good
  • (42:42) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover
  • (01:02:34) - Epilogue
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2 weeks ago
1 hour 5 minutes

Fallthrough
JJ and How to Evolve an Open Source Ecosystem

Jujutsu is a new version control system that's gaining in popularity. Its swappable backends allow users to continue using version control systems like Git without other users even noticing. Steve Klabnik aims to be a big part of it. Much like with Rust, he's getting involved early and making some big swings. In this episode, he joins Kris and Matt to discuss JJ and his recent announcement that he'll be joining East River Source Control to work on JJ and related projects full time.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Love extra content? Well if you're a supporter you're getting some. This week's extended edition includes bonus content includes a chapter on the need for new layers and another chapter on potential plans for a JJHub. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control! (00:03:44)
  • Chapter 2: JJ Backends (00:13:54)
  • Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools (00:17:58)
  • Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back (00:29:16)
  • Chapter 5: Why Use JJ? (00:31:05)
  • Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended] (00:45:33)
  • Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended] (00:46:08)
  • Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code (00:46:56)
  • Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions (00:50:02)
  • Epilogue (00:56:10)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:44) - Chapter 1: Farewell, Oxide! Hello, East River Source Control!
  • (13:54) - Chapter 2: JJ Backends
  • (17:58) - Chapter 3: When To Choose New Tools
  • (29:16) - Chapter 4: We're Not Going Back
  • (31:05) - Chapter 5: Why Use JJ?
  • (45:33) - Chapter 6: Creating New Layers [Extended]
  • (46:08) - Chapter 7: JJHub? [Extended]
  • (46:56) - Chapter 8: Forking Is About More Than Just The Code
  • (50:02) - Appendix Unpop: Unpopular Opinions
  • (56:10) - Epilogue
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3 weeks ago
58 minutes

Fallthrough
DevOps: The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything

In this episode, hosts Angelica Hill and Matthew Sanabria are joined by special guest Cory O'Daniel to dive deep into DevOps. They chat through some of the big questions shaping the industry: Is the "cloud promise" still holding up? What role does on-prem infrastructure play now? And perhaps most importantly, what does "DevOps" even mean today?

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

We've got a ton of supporter content in this episode, so our supporters can hear Cory's thoughts on why technology choices should be kept simple, why we aren't thinking things through, and why the C-Suite forgets the pain of being an IC. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (00:05:50)
  • Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (00:20:27)
  • Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (00:46:10)
  • Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (00:58:18)
  • Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (00:58:45)
  • Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (00:59:26)
  • Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:00:16)
  • Epilogue (01:03:12)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Cory O'Daniel - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (05:50) - Chapter 1: What Is DevOps?
  • (20:27) - Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps
  • (46:10) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft
  • (58:18) - Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only]
  • (58:45) - Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only]
  • (59:26) - Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only]
  • (01:00:16) - Chapter 7: OpenTofu
  • (01:03:12) - Epilogue
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4 weeks ago
1 hour 7 minutes

Fallthrough
Ghostty & The Shell

Mitchell once again joins Matt and Kris to give us an update about Ghostty, a new library he's working on called libxev, and some of his thoughts around AI.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we have extra chapters on Mitchell's talk on open source governance and requiring AI disclosures for Ghostty contributions. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty? (00:01:44)
  • Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only] (00:34:14)
  • Chapter 3: libxev (00:34:35)
  • Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only] (00:55:31)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Dylan Bourque - Host
  • Mitchell Hashimoto - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (01:44) - Chapter 1: What's New With Ghostty?
  • (34:14) - Chapter 2: Mitchell's Take On Open Source Governance [Extended Only]
  • (34:35) - Chapter 3: libxev
  • (55:31) - Chapter 4: AI Contribution Disclosures in Ghostty [Extended Only]
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1 month ago
57 minutes

Fallthrough
The Failure of Open Source Leadership

Open source project leaders have faced heavy challenges over the last decade and a half. It seems every language community has had conflicts with its leadership: Python with the struggles of the Python 2 to 3 migration; Node.JS and the community's conflict with Joyent; Rust and their handling of trademarks and IP; Wordpress and their conflict with WPEngine; and of course Go and their conflict around dependency management (and error handling). Now we've added another: the recent conflict between Ruby Central and the community.

In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Steve discuss these conflicts and what they tell us about the way we've come to see leadership within open source projects, where the blame actually lies, and what changes we can make to avoid these issues in the future.

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we have extra chapters about the sustainability of the current model and where we should place blame for the current problems. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • Bryan Cantrill Platform as a Reflection of Values
  • Low Level Rust is causing a lot of problems
  • If WordPress is to survive, Matt Mullenweg must be removed
  • ‘This Is Just How We Do Things Now’: The Quiet Collapse of Standards

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (00:02:07)
  • Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (00:41:04)
  • Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (00:45:21)
  • Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:01:49)
  • Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:02:19)
  • Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:03:06)
  • Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:13:41)
  • Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had (01:24:24)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:07) - Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here?
  • (41:04) - Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators?
  • (45:21) - Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby?
  • (01:01:49) - Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only]
  • (01:02:19) - Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only]
  • (01:03:06) - Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System
  • (01:13:41) - Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along
  • (01:24:24) - Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had
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1 month ago
1 hour 30 minutes

Fallthrough
PHP Was Never Dead

This week we've got a grab bag episode! Kris and Matt discuss a variety of topics, including a GopherCon debrief (featuring some RustConf comparisons!), why people can't be mad all the time, the need for better abstractions, and so much more!

We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about carefully selected criticism and a new Linux distro. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • The Future of Programming - Bret Victor

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: GopherCon Debrief (00:02:26)
  • Chapter 2: Corporations Are Followers (00:34:10)
  • Chapter 3: Carefully Crafted Narratives [Supporter Only] (00:44:09)
  • Chapter 4: You Can't Be Mad All The Time (00:45:47)
  • Chapter 5: We Need New Abstractions (00:55:40)
  • Chapter 6: Omarchy [Supporter Only] (01:11:45)
  • Epilogue (01:13:27)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:26) - Chapter 1: GopherCon Debrief
  • (34:10) - Chapter 2: Corporations Are Followers
  • (44:09) - Chapter 3: Carefully Crafted Narratives [Supporter Only]
  • (45:47) - Chapter 4: You Can't Be Mad All The Time
  • (55:40) - Chapter 5: We Need New Abstractions
  • (01:11:45) - Chapter 6: Omarchy [Supporter Only]
  • (01:13:27) - Epilogue
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1 month ago
1 hour 14 minutes

Fallthrough
Defer Life Considered Harmful

From AI winters to Tiny Go, Ron Evans has a long and storied career. In this episode he joins Angelica and Matt to discuss his journey, what past AI winters can tell us about our current AI moment, the importance of Tiny Go, and so much more.

This week's episode has a Break aftershow! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

For our supporters, we've got two great chapters about epistemology and how AI affects newcomers to programming. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Show Notes:

  • TinyGo
  • Amara’s Law and Its Place in the Future of Tech
  • Cory Doctorow
  • GopherCon 2024: Go Back to the Future - Ron Evans
  • Skynet
  • Program or Be Programmed Eleven Commands for the AI Future DOUGLAS RUSHKOFF
  • The Demon-Haunted World

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Who Is Ron Evans? (00:03:00)
  • Chapter 2: The Next AI Winter? (00:06:03)
  • Chapter 3: Epistemology [Supporter Only] (00:36:39)
  • Chapter 4: Ron's Long Game (00:39:20)
  • Chapter 5: There Are Always Things To Do (00:50:22)
  • Chapter 6: How Is AI/ML Impacting People New To The Industry? [Supporter Only] (00:59:27)
  • Chapter 7: Anything Left Unsaid? (01:02:19)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:07:28)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Ron Evans - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:00) - Chapter 1: Who Is Ron Evans?
  • (06:03) - Chapter 2: The Next AI Winter?
  • (36:39) - Chapter 3: Epistemology [Supporter Only]
  • (39:20) - Chapter 4: Ron's Long Game
  • (50:22) - Chapter 5: There Are Always Things To Do
  • (59:27) - Chapter 6: How Is AI/ML Impacting People New To The Industry? [Supporter Only]
  • (01:02:19) - Chapter 7: Anything Left Unsaid?
  • (01:07:28) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
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1 month ago
1 hour 18 minutes

Fallthrough
Building For The Future

We've all experienced the dreaded rewrite. A system that was promised to last for years has grown so full of technical debt and cruft that we feel we need to throw it out and start over again. How can we avoid this? In this episode, Angelica and Matt are joined by Jon Sabados, where they discuss how to build software that can last long into the future.

This week's episode does not have a companion break episode, but check out our backlog if you haven't watched them already! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

This week's episode features a bonus chapter for supporters! Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Why Should We Build For The Future? (00:03:13)
  • Chapter 2: Business Value & Future Planning (00:10:18)
  • Chapter 3: Where Do You Start? (00:13:21)
  • Chapter 4: How To Make Decisions Effectively (00:27:35)
  • Chapter 5: Crafting A Solution (00:39:55)
  • Chapter 6: What Does It Actually Mean To Build For The Future? [Supporter Only] (00:47:50)
  • Chapter 7: A Case Study (00:49:57)
  • Chapter 8: Incorporating New Technologies (01:05:07)
  • Chapter 9: Building For The Future Outage (01:08:19)
  • Chapter 10: Final Advice (01:16:34)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:20:03)
  • Epilogue (01:35:12)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Jon Sabados - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (03:13) - Chapter 1: Why Should We Build For The Future?
  • (10:18) - Chapter 2: Business Value & Future Planning
  • (13:21) - Chapter 3: Where Do You Start?
  • (27:35) - Chapter 4: How To Make Decisions Effectively
  • (39:55) - Chapter 5: Crafting A Solution
  • (47:50) - Chapter 6: What Does It Actually Mean To Build For The Future? [Supporter Only]
  • (49:57) - Chapter 7: A Case Study
  • (01:05:07) - Chapter 8: Incorporating New Technologies
  • (01:08:19) - Chapter 9: Building For The Future Outage
  • (01:16:34) - Chapter 10: Final Advice
  • (01:20:03) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:35:12) - Epilogue
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2 months ago
1 hour 36 minutes

Fallthrough
Bootstrapping A Podcast

Ever wondered what it really takes to build a successful online presence? How about if you were doing it as a couple? In this episode, Angelica and Matt are joined by Sophie and Rory of the "Media Couple" podcast as they pull back the curtain on their current projects and share the unfiltered reality of being content creators, the tools and tech they use, and how it's going.

This week's episode does not have a companion break episode, but check out our backlog if you haven't watched them already! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: What Is The Media Couple? (00:08:20)
  • Chapter 2: Getting Started with Content Creation (00:12:55)
  • Chapter 3: How's The Media Couple Going? (00:20:34)
  • Interlude: Dealing With Your Inner Critic [Supporter Only] (00:24:19)
  • Chapter 4: Choosing A Format (00:25:14)
  • Chapter 5: Who Is Your Audience? (00:33:13)
  • Chapter 6: The Tech Behind It All (00:47:30)
  • Interlude: Vibe Coding Through Life (01:05:54)
  • Chapter 7: Where Do You Start With Branding? (01:09:51)
  • Chapter 8: Preventing Boredom (01:12:53)
  • Chapter 9: Generating New Content Ideas (01:22:27)
  • Chapter 10: Feedback [Supporter Only] (01:30:15)
  • Chapter 11: A Few Good Productions (01:32:18)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:39:52)
  • Epilogue (01:55:35)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Rory Nichols - Guest
  • Sophie Haines-Nichols - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (08:20) - Chapter 1: What Is The Media Couple?
  • (12:55) - Chapter 2: Getting Started with Content Creation
  • (20:34) - Chapter 3: How's The Media Couple Going?
  • (24:19) - Interlude: Dealing With Your Inner Critic [Supporter Only]
  • (25:14) - Chapter 4: Choosing A Format
  • (33:13) - Chapter 5: Who Is Your Audience?
  • (47:30) - Chapter 6: The Tech Behind It All
  • (01:05:54) - Interlude: Vibe Coding Through Life
  • (01:09:51) - Chapter 7: Where Do You Start With Branding?
  • (01:12:53) - Chapter 8: Preventing Boredom
  • (01:22:27) - Chapter 9: Generating New Content Ideas
  • (01:30:15) - Chapter 10: Feedback [Supporter Only]
  • (01:32:18) - Chapter 11: A Few Good Productions
  • (01:39:52) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:55:35) - Epilogue
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2 months ago
1 hour 57 minutes

Fallthrough
What It Takes To Be A Content Creator

Everyone can be a content creator. Whether it's posting long form content on YouTube, shorter content on TikTok, or photos on Instagram, content creation is accessible to all. In this episode, Angelica and Matt are joined by Benjamin Bryant to talk about what it takes to become a content creator. This episode contains extra chapters for supporters.

This week's episode does not have a companion break episode, but check out our backlog if you haven't watched them already! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:00:00)
  • Chapter 1: Introducing Ben Bryant (00:02:20)
  • Chapter 2: Starting Out In Content Creation (00:03:32)
  • Chapter 3: Self Preparation for Making a Video (00:06:26)
  • Chapter 4: Finding Your First Content (00:09:47)
  • Chapter 5: Hows the Channel Going? (00:17:41)
  • Chapter 6: How Much of You Do You Show in Your Content? [Supporter Only] (00:31:01)
  • Chapter 7: Matt's Journey to Content Creation [Supporter Only] (00:31:34)
  • Chapter 8: Finding Your Why (00:32:06)
  • Chapter 9: How Do You Find The Fun? (00:38:21)
  • Chapter 10: Dealing With Negative Comments [Supporter Only] (00:54:04)
  • Chapter 11: YouTube vs On Stage (00:54:52)
  • Chapter 12: What Does Success Look Like? (01:03:03)
  • Chapter 13: Ben's Viral Videos (01:16:58)
  • Chapter 14: Final Thoughts (01:26:25)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:28:47)
  • Epilogue (01:35:53)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Benjamin Bryant - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Prologue
  • (02:20) - Chapter 1: Introducing Ben Bryant
  • (03:32) - Chapter 2: Starting Out In Content Creation
  • (06:26) - Chapter 3: Self Preparation for Making a Video
  • (09:47) - Chapter 4: Finding Your First Content
  • (17:41) - Chapter 5: Hows the Channel Going?
  • (31:01) - Chapter 6: How Much of You Do You Show in Your Content? [Supporter Only]
  • (31:34) - Chapter 7: Matt's Journey to Content Creation [Supporter Only]
  • (32:06) - Chapter 8: Finding Your Why
  • (38:21) - Chapter 9: How Do You Find The Fun?
  • (54:04) - Chapter 10: Dealing With Negative Comments [Supporter Only]
  • (54:52) - Chapter 11: YouTube vs On Stage
  • (01:03:03) - Chapter 12: What Does Success Look Like?
  • (01:16:58) - Chapter 13: Ben's Viral Videos
  • (01:26:25) - Chapter 14: Final Thoughts
  • (01:28:47) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:35:53) - Epilogue
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2 months ago
1 hour 37 minutes

Fallthrough
How To Have A Great Conference Experience

GopherCon is this week! Kris, Matt, Dylan, and Angelica are talking about conferences: their favorite experiences, how they approach them, and advice for first time conference attendees. For our supporters, the panel has an in-depth discussion of what would make for better conferences and where current conferences are failing.

We've also have a new episode of Break! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Hello. And Welcome To. Fallthrough? (00:00:00)
  • Prologue (00:01:55)
  • Interlude: How are we doing? (00:04:15)
  • Chapter 1: What Are Your Favorite Conference Experiences? (00:07:48)
  • Chapter 2: How Do You Approach Attending A Conference? (00:26:13)
  • Chapter 3: Talks & Workshops (00:32:33)
  • Chapter 4: First Time Speakers & The Speaker Pipeline [Supporter Only] (00:40:45)
  • Chapter 5: The Ideal Conference [Supporter Only] (00:41:55)
  • Chapter 6: Should Conferences Provide Mentorship For Speakers? [Supporter Only] (00:43:23)
  • Chapter 7: Advice for First Time Conference Attendees (00:45:41)
  • Epilogue (00:50:26)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Dylan Bourque - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:00) - Hello. And Welcome To. Fallthrough?
  • (01:55) - Prologue
  • (04:15) - Interlude: How are we doing?
  • (07:48) - Chapter 1: What Are Your Favorite Conference Experiences?
  • (26:13) - Chapter 2: How Do You Approach Attending A Conference?
  • (32:33) - Chapter 3: Talks & Workshops
  • (40:45) - Chapter 4: First Time Speakers & The Speaker Pipeline [Supporter Only]
  • (41:55) - Chapter 5: The Ideal Conference [Supporter Only]
  • (43:23) - Chapter 6: Should Conferences Provide Mentorship For Speakers? [Supporter Only]
  • (45:41) - Chapter 7: Advice for First Time Conference Attendees
  • (50:26) - Epilogue
Show more...
2 months ago
52 minutes

Fallthrough
What's New in Go 1.25?

It's August, which means we've got a fresh new Go release! In this episode, Kris and Matt pick up the "What's New in Go?" series with an edition for the Go 1.25 release.

We've also have a new episode of Break! Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show.

This episode contains an extra Unpopular Opinion and lengthy discussion for our supporters. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Notes:

  • Go 1.25 Release Notes


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:01:19)
  • Chapter 1: Tools (00:03:58)
  • Chapter 2: Runtime (00:16:23)
  • Chapter 3: Compiler (00:25:03)
  • Chapter 4: Standard Library (00:29:59)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (01:04:38)
  • Epilogue (01:07:45)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (01:19) - Prologue
  • (03:58) - Chapter 1: Tools
  • (16:23) - Chapter 2: Runtime
  • (25:03) - Chapter 3: Compiler
  • (29:59) - Chapter 4: Standard Library
  • (01:04:38) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover
  • (01:07:45) - Epilogue
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3 months ago
1 hour 10 minutes

Fallthrough
Big Data Energy

In the years leading up to the current AI hype cycle we're currently all experiencing, there was another hype cycle: Big Data. In this episode, Kris is joined by Matt and Steve to discuss how the Big Data craze relates to the current Artificial Intelligence one, where Big Data ends and AI/ML begin, and so much more.

We've also have a new episode of Break! We've decided that Break will be video first, so you can watch it on YouTube or in your favorite podcast app by going to: https://break.show/ep/5.

For our supporters, we have extra content, including a chapter about the importance of our ideas being grounded in truth. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (02:49)
  • Chapter 1: What is Big Data? (04:33)
  • Chapter 2: Is AI/ML Big Data? (17:23)
  • Chapter 3: Our Ideas must Touch Ground Truth [Supporter Only] (59:31)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opionions & Panic and Recover (01:00:39)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (02:49) - Prologue
  • (04:33) - Chapter 1: What is Big Data?
  • (17:23) - Chapter 2: Is AI/ML Big Data?
  • (59:31) - Chapter 3: Our Ideas must Touch Ground Truth [Supporter Only]
  • (01:00:39) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opionions & Panic and Recover
Show more...
3 months ago
1 hour 18 minutes

Fallthrough
Championing A Cause

How do you make change happen effectively? In this episode, Matt is joined by Alex Sims to discuss championing a cause and making change happen within your organization. They discuss various strategies, including how to get started, different technical approaches, and how to deal with those who resist change.

We've also have a new episode of Break! We've decided that Break will be video first, so you can watch it on YouTube or in your favorite podcast app by going to: https://break.show/ep/4.

For our supporters, we have extra content, including chapters on how observability factors into making change happen and how to deal with detractors and decrees from above. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (01:39)
  • Chapter 1: Alex's Background (02:04)
  • Chapter 2: Becoming a Champion (08:02)
  • Chapter 3: Dealing with Detractors [Supporter Only] (21:25)
  • Chapter 4: Getting Started (22:10)
  • Chapter 5: Dealing with Decrees [Supporter Only] (27:57)
  • Chapter 6: Dealing with Detractors (continued) [Supporter Only] (28:29)
  • Chapter 7: The Power of Observability (29:42)
  • Chapter 8: Programming Languages (30:34)
  • Chapter 9: Technical Debt (45:47)
  • Chapter 10: Parting Advice (59:22)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:01:50)
  • Epilogue (01:08:47)


Hosts

  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Kris Brandow - Producer
  • Alex Sims - Guest

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (01:39) - Prologue
  • (02:04) - Chapter 1: Alex's Background
  • (08:02) - Chapter 2: Becoming a Champion
  • (21:25) - Chapter 3: Dealing with Detractors [Supporter Only]
  • (22:10) - Chapter 4: Getting Started
  • (27:57) - Chapter 5: Dealing with Decrees [Supporter Only]
  • (28:29) - Chapter 6: Dealing with Detractors (continued) [Supporter Only]
  • (29:42) - Chapter 7: The Power of Observability
  • (30:34) - Chapter 8: Programming Languages
  • (45:47) - Chapter 9: Technical Debt
  • (59:22) - Chapter 10: Parting Advice
  • (01:01:50) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:08:47) - Epilogue
Show more...
3 months ago
1 hour 12 minutes

Fallthrough
AI Booster? AI Doomer? You're Wrong Either Way

It's a rarity in recent years to have a conversation and not have the topic of AI brought up. There are those who think we're on the cusp of AI super-intelligence, those who think AI will destroy the job market, and those who completely write the entire thing off. What these conversations lack is nuance. In this episode, Kris is joined by Matt and Steve to bring some much needed nuance to the conversation around artificial intelligence. They discuss the history of AI; how everything old is new again, sometimes literally; why boosters and doomers are wrong; what intelligence actually is (in reference to computers); and so much more.

We've also have a new episode of Break! We've decided that Break will be video first, so you can watch it on YouTube or in your favorite podcast app by going to: https://break.show/ep/3.

For our supporters, we have a whole bunch of extra content. This episode was one large, unstructured conversation, so we've included interludes of related or slightly tangential conversations as supporter content. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Notes:

  • How AI is Ruining the Electrical Grid


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (03:12)
  • Chapter 1: A Brief History of AI (04:35)
  • Chapter 2: The AI Boom & Bust (09:00)
  • Interlude: Why Are People Mad at Duolingo? [Supporter Only] (10:07)
  • Chapter 3: The Problem Isn't AI, It's The Products (10:07)
  • Interlude: Why AI Coding Assistants are like Debuggers [Supporter Only] (18:33)
  • Interlude: Bankified Companies [Supporter Only] (20:22)
  • Interlude: The Uber of Past Successes [Supporter Only] (23:30)
  • Chapter 4: Why Everyone Is Wrong About AI (23:33)
  • Interlude: How The Power Grid Works [Supporter Only] (36:34)
  • Interlude: Congestion Pricing, Capacity Planning, & Subway Cars [Supporter Only] (42:10)
  • Chapter 5: Startups Aren't Businesses [Supporter Only] (42:11)
  • Chapter 6: The Machines Have Been Intelligent The Entire Time (42:39)
  • Chapter 7: The Interface Is A Means To An End (53:14)
  • Chapter 8: We Need More Naunce (01:02:08)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:10:29)
  • Epilogue (01:15:58)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (03:12) - Prologue
  • (04:35) - Chapter 1: A Brief History of AI
  • (09:00) - Chapter 2: The AI Boom & Bust
  • (10:07) - Interlude: Why Are People Mad at Duolingo? [Supporter Only]
  • (10:07) - Chapter 3: The Problem Isn't AI, It's The Products
  • (18:33) - Interlude: Why AI Coding Assistants are like Debuggers [Supporter Only]
  • (20:22) - Interlude: Bankified Companies [Supporter Only]
  • (23:30) - Interlude: The Uber of Past Successes [Supporter Only]
  • (23:33) - Chapter 4: Why Everyone Is Wrong About AI
  • (36:34) - Interlude: How The Power Grid Works [Supporter Only]
  • (42:10) - Interlude: Congestion Pricing, Capacity Planning, & Subway Cars [Supporter Only]
  • (42:11) - Chapter 5: Startups Aren't Businesses [Supporter Only]
  • (42:39) - Chapter 6: The Machines Have Been Intelligent The Entire Time
  • (53:14) - Chapter 7: The Interface Is A Means To An End
  • (01:02:08) - Chapter 8: We Need More Naunce
  • (01:10:29) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
  • (01:15:58) - Epilogue
Show more...
3 months ago
1 hour 20 minutes

Fallthrough
Versioning: We Did It To Ourselves

Versioning! It's a topic that we all deal with on a daily basis, and yet it's a topic that many of us dread. Our ecosystems love semantic versioning, but many of us find it lacking for many of our use cases. In this episode, Kris and Matt are joined once again by Jamie and Steve to talk about versioning. The panel discusses what versioning is, when to use Semantic Versioning, whether identifiers and versions are the same thing, and so much more.

Last week we shipped the first episode of our aftershow, Break. This week we're following it up with another installment! We've got a separate feed up and running for the aftershow, but for now we'll carry the first few episodes of it in this feed. You can listen to the episode by going to: https://break.show/ep/2.

Don't worry supporters, we've got a ton of extra content for you. As per usual with this panel, we got into quite a deep discussion around artificial intelligence, how it relates to meaning, and whether this whole thing might just disappear tomorrow. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Notes:

  • PrideVer
  • Don't Do Agile, By Agile
  • You're not mature enough to release your first version as v1
  • XKCD: Workflow
  • google/go-github
  • jsdate.wtf
  • Vehicle registration plates of the United Kingdom
  • How To Build An Agent
  • Robustness Principle
  • Jamie's Salary History
  • Matthew's Salary Transparency


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (02:00)
  • Chapter 1: An Early Unpopular Opinion! (05:32)
  • Chapter 2: What Is A Version? (10:36)
  • Chapter 3: Semantic Versioning (22:33)
  • Chapter 4: Versioning For Humans (41:59)
  • Chapter 5: Choosing A Versioning Scheme (01:04:37)
  • Chapter 6: SemVer Metadata (01:11:50)
  • Chapter 7: Versioning In The World [Supporter Only] (01:17:24)
  • Chapter 8: With AI, Do We Need Versions? [Supporter Only] (01:29:34)
  • Chapter 9: Will AI Go The Way of NFTs? [Supporter Only] (01:38:04)
  • Chapter 10: Liberal What Accept (02:00:08)
  • Chapter 11: Closing Thoughts (02:05:41)
  • Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (02:07:55)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Jamie Tanna - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (02:00) - Prologue
  • (05:32) - Chapter 1: An Early Unpopular Opinion!
  • (10:36) - Chapter 2: What Is A Version?
  • (22:33) - Chapter 3: Semantic Versioning
  • (41:59) - Chapter 4: Versioning For Humans
  • (01:04:37) - Chapter 5: Choosing A Versioning Scheme
  • (01:11:50) - Chapter 6: SemVer Metadata
  • (01:17:24) - Chapter 7: Versioning In The World [Supporter Only]
  • (01:29:34) - Chapter 8: With AI, Do We Need Versions? [Supporter Only]
  • (01:38:04) - Chapter 9: Will AI Go The Way of NFTs? [Supporter Only]
  • (02:00:08) - Chapter 10: Liberal What Accept
  • (02:05:41) - Chapter 11: Closing Thoughts
  • (02:07:55) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions
Show more...
4 months ago
1 hour 41 minutes

Fallthrough
[Break] You're Now Less Wrong About REST

Welcome to Break, a Fallthrough aftershow! After months of spending time after each recording of Fallthrough chatting, Kris and Matt decided it's time to record some of these chats and publish them to the world! In many ways the show's name is apropos: it's more like a watercooler break than a podcast recording and it's a break from the way we usually record podcast episodes.

In this first episode, Kris, Matt, and Jamie discuss the recording of Fallthrough episode #28. They talk more about OpenAPI and how it relates to REST and hypermedia, what layering brings to the table for APIs, and how change can start with just a single person.

We hope you enjoy this new show and let us know if you like this content and format!

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (00:45)
  • OpenAPI (08:15)
  • Layering (15:33)
  • We Can Build This (33:21)
  • Epilogue (38:40)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Jamie Tanna - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (00:45) - Prologue
  • (08:15) - OpenAPI
  • (15:33) - Layering
  • (33:21) - We Can Build This
  • (38:40) - Epilogue
Show more...
4 months ago
39 minutes

Fallthrough
Why You're Wrong About REST

The web has been around for nearly 40 years, yet despite its massive success, the principles that made it a success still prove elusive to most software engineers today. We've stumbled into a world where so called REST APIs are less RESTful than GraphQL, where most definitions of hypermedia are wrong, and where nuance has been replaced with "well actually". In this episode, Kris is joined by Matt, Jamie, and Steve to discuss REST, hypermedia, the Web (now at version 4.0!), where all of these came from, and so much more.

For our long time listeners, you might remember hearing Kris and Matt discuss a potential after show. Well good news, they've finally recorded an episode! The first episode will be released in this feed, but subsequent episodes will have their own feed.

The panel also discusses OpenAPI and how it relates to REST and hypermedia, but that chapter is for supporters only. Hear what the panel has to say about OpenAPI, along with other extended conversations, and higher quality audio! Get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe.

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Notes:

  • Paper tigers and hidden dragons
  • It is okay to use POST
  • REST APIs must be hypertext-driven

Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (01:28)
  • Chapter 1: What even is hypermedia? (02:30)
  • Chapter 2: What is REST? (09:48)
  • Chapter 3: The Uniform Interface (22:57)
  • Chapter 4: Cookies are terrible [Supporter Only] (01:02:53)
  • Chapter 5: <video> and Web 4.0 (01:03:43)
  • Chapter 6: OpenAPI [Supporter Only] (01:26:27)
  • Chapter 7: An interlude and the future of the web [Supporter Only] (01:28:28)
  • Epilogue (01:28:32)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Jamie Tanna - Host
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (01:28) - Prologue
  • (02:30) - Chapter 1: What even is hypermedia?
  • (09:48) - Chapter 2: What is REST?
  • (22:57) - Chapter 3: The Uniform Interface
  • (01:02:53) - Chapter 4: Cookies are terrible [Supporter Only]
  • (01:03:43) - Chapter 5: and Web 4.0
  • (01:26:27) - Chapter 6: OpenAPI [Supporter Only]
  • (01:28:28) - Chapter 7: An interlude and the future of the web [Supporter Only]
  • (01:28:32) - Epilogue
Show more...
4 months ago
1 hour 48 minutes

Fallthrough
Language and Codes of Misconduct

In episode 27, the panel discussed what languages are, what it means to know things, and what meaning is. In this bonus episode, we extend that conversation to discuss how language affects the tech and software communities. We delve into things like whether Codes of Conduct are actually a good thing, how efforts to make language more inclusive can be harmful, and much more.

This content would usually be included as supporter only content, but we decided to release it to everyone! If you enjoy this kind of discussion (and the higher quality audio!), become a supporter today so you can get access to this extra content in each of our episodes! You can sign up by going to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe.

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Notes:

  • Changelog Zulip discussion about overflows
  • Language Machines
  • Are We Smart Enough To Know How Smart Animals Are?
  • Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together In The Cafeteria?
  • How language shapes the way we think -  Lera Boroditsky


Table of Contents:

  • Chapter 8: Language and Psychological Safety (01:28)
  • Epilogue (01:00:23)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (01:28) - Chapter 8: Language and Psychological Safety
  • (01:00:23) - Epilogue
Show more...
4 months ago
1 hour 8 minutes

Fallthrough
What Even Is A [Programming|Natural] Language?

Whether you're talking to another person, talking to a computer, or just talking to yourself, we use languages every day. For a long time now, there's been a debate about whether natural languages and programming languages are distinct from each other. The creation of large language models and their ability to produce code from natural language has blurred these lines even further. In this episode, Kris is joined by Angelica, Matt, and guest co-host Steve Klabnik, to discuss language, what it means to know something, what it means to mean, and so much more.

This conversation went so long that we accidentally recorded an entire extra episode! That episode is available as a bonus release in our feed.

Supporters get even more conversation and higher quality audio! Get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe.

Thanks for tuning in and happy listening!

Notes:

  • Changelog Zulip discussion about overflows
  • Language Machines
  • Are We Smart Enough To Know How Smart Animals Are?
  • Why Are All The Black Kids Sitting Together In The Cafeteria?
  • How language shapes the way we think -  Lera Boroditsky


Table of Contents:

  • Prologue (02:04)
  • Chapter 1: Natural vs Programming (04:48)
  • Chapter 2: What does it mean to know something? (20:15)
  • Chapter 3: Language != Intelligence (37:32)
  • Chapter 4: What if Kafka wrote America for the PowerPC? [Supporter Only] (43:43)
  • Chapter 5: Spoken Language Is Different From Written Language [Supporter Only] (44:30)
  • Chapter 6: Misinterpretation In Programming Language (47:44)
  • Chapter 7: Is It Harder To Learn Natural or Programming Languages? [Supporter Only] (01:01:45)
  • Epilogue (01:02:31)


Hosts

  • Kris Brandow - Host
  • Matthew Sanabria - Host
  • Angelica Hill - Producer
  • Steve Klabnik - Host

Socials:
  • Website
  • Bluesky
  • Threads
  • X/Twitter
  • LinkedIn
  • Instagram
  • (02:04) - Prologue
  • (04:48) - Chapter 1: Natural vs Programming
  • (20:15) - Chapter 2: What does it mean to know something?
  • (37:32) - Chapter 3: Language != Intelligence
  • (43:43) - Chapter 4: What if Kafka wrote America for the PowerPC? [Supporter Only]
  • (44:30) - Chapter 5: Spoken Language Is Different From Written Language [Supporter Only]
  • (47:44) - Chapter 6: Misinterpretation In Programming Language
  • (01:01:45) - Chapter 7: Is It Harder To Learn Natural or Programming Languages? [Supporter Only]
  • (01:02:31) - Epilogue
Show more...
4 months ago
1 hour 10 minutes

Fallthrough
A deep and nuanced conversational podcast focused on technology, software, and computing.