What happens when facilitation meets street fighting, innovation, and Brazilian jiu-jitsu?
In this energizing episode, Stefano sits down with Joeri Schilders, known online as The Magic Sauce, to explore how facilitators can reinvent their craft for a new generation.

From working across cultures in China, Singapore, and Europe to bringing “the art of flexibility” to life, Joeri shares stories of failure, humility, and growth. Together, they unpack what it really takes to be a modern facilitator: less about frameworks, more about real impact.

Discover why facilitation is more like a martial art than a manual, and how you can add your own “magic sauce” to stay relevant, human, and bold.

💡 A must-listen for facilitators, innovators, and anyone ready to shake up the way we work together.