In this conversation, I chat with Pastor Jim Essian discussing the often-overlooked topic of physical health within pastoral care. We explore the reasons why pastors may hesitate to address health issues, the cultural sensitivities surrounding the body, and the importance of vulnerability and authenticity in these discussions. The conversation emphasizes the need for pastors to integrate discussions of physical health into their ministry, recognizing the holistic nature of human beings as created in God's image. We also touch on the challenges posed by cultural formations and the responsibility of pastors to guide their congregations in health stewardship. In this conversation, Jim and I explore the intricate relationship between physical health, mental well-being, and spiritual life, particularly in the context of ministry. We discuss the dangers of perfectionism in health, the importance of a holistic approach to well-being, and the need for pastors to model healthy living. The conversation emphasizes the integration of physical, mental, and spiritual health, advocating for open discussions about health within church communities. We also touch on the ethical considerations of pastoral health and the significance of language in discussing mental health issues. TAKEAWAYS: Physical health is often neglected in pastoral discussions. Pastors face challenges in addressing health due to cultural sensitivities. The sacred-secular divide impacts how health is perceived in ministry. Vulnerability in sharing personal health struggles can foster connection. Cultural formations can influence how health topics are received. Pastors should fear God rather than their congregations when addressing -health. Authenticity in health conversations is crucial for effective ministry. Statistics on chronic diseases highlight the need for health discussions. The body is integral to our identity and should be addressed in ministry. Pastors can guide their congregations in holistic health stewardship. Health is often misunderstood as perfectionism. Ministry should be viewed as a marathon, not a sprint. Holistic health includes mind, body, and spirit. Language around mental health is crucial. Pastors must model healthy living for their congregations. Self-control is a vital aspect of spiritual health. Normalizing health conversations in churches is essential. Physical health impacts spiritual and emotional well-being. Caring for oneself is part of discipleship. The integration of health and faith is necessary for effective ministry. LINKS: Jim Essian's Website: https://www.jimessian.com/ Paradox Church, Fort Worth TX: https://www.theparadoxchurch.com/