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What makes civilizations rise, thrive, and sometimes vanish? How do geography, language, and ideas shape the destiny of nations? In this sweeping conversation, historian Wang Gungwu takes us on a 2,000-year journey—through the birth of the nation-state, the paradoxes of Southeast Asia, and the making of modern China.
From the Abbasid Golden Age to Mongol conquests, from India’s gods to China’s bureaucracy, from Indonesia’s “miracle” to Singapore’s unlikely success—this is history as a map for the future. We talk about borders, culture, and the problem of succession; why civilizations fail when they can’t communicate; and how Southeast Asia can lead without imitating China or the US.
It’s a masterclass in how the past shapes the present—and a call for the next generation to learn, adapt, and imagine a better world order.
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About Professor Wang Gungwu:
Prof. Gungwu is a renowned historian and scholar of Chinese history and the Chinese diaspora. He is University Professor at the National University of Singapore and Professor Emeritus at the Australian National University. He has served as Vice-Chancellor of the University of Hong Kong and Director of the East Asian Institute at NUS, and is widely recognized as a pioneer in overseas Chinese studies and a leading voice in the study of China’s place in the world.
About the Host:
Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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In a time of rapid technological change and geopolitical fragmentation, who benefits from artificial intelligence—and who gets left behind?
Ronnie Chatterji, Chief Economist at OpenAI and former White House coordinator for the CHIPS Act, joins Gita Wirjawan for a deep conversation about the real-world consequences of AI: on jobs, infrastructure, regulation, inequality, and the fragile promise of growth across the Global South.
Ronnie reflects on what it means to apply economic thinking to one of the most consequential technologies of our time.
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Aaron “Ronnie” Chatterji, Ph.D., is OpenAI’s first Chief Economist. He is on leave as a Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research and previously taught at Harvard Business School. Earlier in his career, he worked at Goldman Sachs and was a term member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Chatterji holds a Ph.D. from UC Berkeley and a B.A. in Economics from Cornell University.
About the host:
Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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This episode is about how to create your own luck, featuring USC Marshall’s business professor and bestselling author, Christian Busch.
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Christian is a German author, educator, and business professor at USC's Marshall School of Business. He is also an affiliate researcher at the London School of Economics, where he previously taught and co-directed the LSE Innovation Lab. His famous book is ‘The Serendipity Mindset’ (2020), proposing the idea that “good luck isn’t just chance”.
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Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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Ashby H. B. Monk talks about how global capital can be better directed toward solving long-term problems. Drawing from a background as a rower-turned-economist, Ashby reflects on how we must rethink investment philosophies in uncertain times. From the origins of sovereign wealth funds to the irony of having trillions in capital but no real education system for investing, this conversation dives deep into the heart of global finance and development.
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About the Luminary: Ashby Monk is a Senior Research Engineer at Stanford University and the Executive & Research Director of the Stanford Research Initiative on Long-Term Investing. With over 20 years of experience advising global investment institutions, he co-founded several fintech ventures and serves on the CFA Institute’s Future of Finance Council. He holds degrees from Princeton, the Sorbonne, and Oxford, where he earned his doctorate in economic geography.
About the host: Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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This episode revolves around two big questions: How can we scale up renewables? And how does Stanford approach the energy transition?
About the Luminary:William Chueh is the Director of Stanford’s Precourt Institute for Energy, Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, of Energy Science and Engineering, and Senior Fellow at the Precourt Institute for Energy. His research focuses on energy storage, particularly materials for energy transformation, including batteries, fuel cells, and electrolyzers.
About the host: Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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Where did the 2-degree limit come from? Why does nuclear energy deserve a comeback?In this episode, Steven Koonin discusses why it is “fundamentally immoral” for developed countries to dictate the climate agenda of developing nations, why electric vehicles are not a silver bullet, and how rushing to decarbonize could deepen global inequality.
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About the guest:Steven E. Koonin is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a University Professor at NYU. He is also a former Undersecretary for Science at the U.S. Department of Energy and Chief Scientist at BP. His work focuses on climate science and energy, and his bestselling book “Unsettled” (2021) calls for more transparency in climate discourse.
About the host: Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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About Eric Betzig:
Eric Betzig is a Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at UC Berkeley, holding the Eugene D. Commins Presidential Chair in Experimental Physics. He is also a Senior Fellow at the Janelia Research Campus and an Investigator of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. After earning his Ph.D. at Cornell and working at AT&T Bell Labs on near-field optics, he left academia in 1995 for the machine tool industry. He returned to science in 2005, building the first super-resolution single molecule localization microscope with Harald Hess, work that earned him the 2014 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Today, he develops advanced microscopy techniques for biological discovery, including correlative super-resolution fluorescence and electron microscopy, and 4D dynamic imaging of living systems.
About Gita Wirjawan:
Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a Visiting Scholar at the Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC); and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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About Jeep Kline: Jeep is a venture capital and technology executive with over 20 years of experience. She has launched four VC funds and serves on multiple boards across the US and Asia. She is also an advisor at Berkeley SkyDeck, Alchemist Accelerator, and UCSF Health Hub. A former World Bank economist, she brings deep expertise in emerging markets and has co-founded a Latin American-focused VC fund. Jeep is the founding partner of Raisewell Ventures and was the first Thai woman to launch an impact VC fund in Silicon Valley.
About Gita Wirjawan: Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a Visiting Scholar at the Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC); and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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Dipo Alam, mantan Sekretaris Kabinet dan Ketua Institut Peradaban Indonesia, bercerita tentang perjalanan hidupnya, mulai dari aktivis kampus hingga keterlibatannya di dunia politik dan diplomasi. Beliau membagikan kisah bagaimana lukisannya menggerakkan emosi Ibu Negara Jepang, Akie Abe, hingga menitikan air mata, serta bagaimana batik karyanya diterima dengan hangat oleh Ratu Elizabeth II.
Di balik layar diplomasi internasional, seni sering menjadi bahasa universal yang melampaui batas negara. Melalui pendekatan artistik, Dipo membuktikan bahwa diplomasi tidak melulu soal politik, tetapi juga tentang sentuhan kemanusiaan dan seni.
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We have everything we need to manage climate change: the technology, labour, and capital. What’s lacking is the collective will. Julio Friedmann challenges us to rethink the role of developed nations, the moral compass of money, and the need for inclusive, cooperative frameworks to create an abundant and just future.
About Luminary: Dr. Julio Friedmann is one of the world’s leading experts in carbon technologies and clean energy transition. He previously served as Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Fossil Energy at the U.S. Department of Energy, overseeing R&D programs in carbon capture and storage (CCS) and CO₂ utilization. Currently, he is the Chief Scientist at Carbon Direct and a senior research scholar at Columbia University.
About the Host: Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur, educator, and Honorary Professor of Politics and International Relations at the School of Politics and International Relations, University of Nottingham. He is also a visiting scholar at The Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC) at Stanford University (2022—2024) and a fellow at Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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Mahfud MD dan Gita Wirjawan membahas bagaimana kita dapat membangun negara lewat hukum. Juga menyentuh topik terkait korupsi, posisi hukum dalam demokrasi, prinsip keadilan hukum Islam, hingga pendidikan dan tatanan dunia.Mahfud MD adalah Guru Besar Hukum Tata Negara yang pernah menjabat sebagai Menteri Koordinator Bidang Politik, Hukum, dan Keamanan; Ketua MK; Anggota DPR; dan Menteri Pertahanan.Catatan dan referensi tambahan episode ini:https://sgpp.me/eps214notes#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #MahfudMD
Dr. Tirta Mandira Hudhi dan Gita Wirjawan berdialog tentang bagaimana pendidikan, ego, privilege, dan pengalaman hidup membentuk karakter serta kontribusi seseorang terhadap masyarakat.
Percakapan ini menyingkap peran keluarga, sistem pendidikan, dan nilai kerja keras dalam membentuk generasi cerdas dan tangguh—juga membahas realita dunia medis, tantangan menjadi anak tunggal, hingga pentingnya guru dan budaya membaca.Dr. Tirta adalah dokter, pengusaha, dan edukator publik yang dikenal karena kepemimpinannya di masa pandemi, inisiatif bisnis sosial, dan pendekatannya yang jujur serta reflektif terhadap isu-isu pendidikan, kesehatan, dan perubahan sosial.
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In a rapidly shifting world, the intersection of geology and climate change is more critical than ever. As Jonathan Payne and Gita Wirjawan dive into this pressing issue, they challenge conventional wisdom and explore the path forward. Is mass extinction an inevitable consequence of our current trajectory? Or is there still a way to recalibrate our approach to preserving Earth's ecosystems?Join this thought-provoking conversation as we uncover the nuances, tackle the tough questions, and illuminate possible solutions. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #JonathanPayne
Chatib Basri, ekonom senior Indonesia, membahas tantangan ekonomi Indonesia, termasuk ketimpangan kelas menengah, investasi asing, dan reformasi struktural untuk meningkatkan daya saing global. Ia juga menyoroti pentingnya pendidikan, digitalisasi, serta peran pemerintah dalam menciptakan kepastian hukum guna menarik investasi dan mendorong pertumbuhan ekonomi.Mantan Menteri Keuangan dan Ketua BKPM Indonesia tersebut kini mengajar di Departemen Ekonomi Universitas Indonesia serta menjabat sebagai Komisaris Utama Bank Mandiri serta Presiden Komisaris PT XL Axiata tbk. Dengan keahlian di bidang perdagangan internasional, makroekonomi, dan ekonomi politik, ia pernah menjadi Senior Fellow di Harvard Kennedy School, profesor tamu di berbagai universitas terkemuka, serta anggota dewan penasihat di World Bank, IMF, dan berbagai institusi global lainnya.
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Budhy Munawar Rachman, dosen Sekolah Tinggi Filsafat Driyarkara, berbicara tentang pentingnya filsafat di era informasi, dinamika akal-wahyu sepanjang sejarah filsafat, serta peran Nurcholish Madjid (Cak Nur) dalam membangun fondasi keislaman di Indonesia.
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Education, economy, and sustainability—where do we start to achieve Indonesia Emas 2045?Dominic Jermey (British Ambassador to Indonesia) emphasizes that collaboration is the key. From increasing the number of Indonesian students in the UK, tackling energy transition challenges, to attracting foreign investment, everything revolves around one thing: people. And a country like the UK stands ready to support this.A glimpse of hope—that Indonesia is not walking this path alone.#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #UnitedKingdom
CEO Maybank Indonesia, Steffano Ridwan, berbicara tentang filosofi dan komitmen mereka, “Humanising Financial Services”. Selain itu, Steffano juga mengupas bagaimana bank konvensional, fintech, dan institusi keuangan lainnya dapat bekerja sama di era kolaborasi seperti hari ini. Terakhir, beliau juga memberikan tips kepemimpinan dan bisnis—merefleksikan dari kesuksesan Maybank Group yang baru saja memenangkan 2024 Time World’s Best Company.Dalam percakapan ini, Gita Wirjawan mengangkat anekdot-anekdot yang belum pernah dibahas sebelumnya terkait usaha kecil dan mikro, persepsi masyarakat lokal terkait ekspor, hingga pandangannya soal dampak terpilihnya Trump terhadap ekonomi dunia.
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‘Mata kuliah’
0:00:00 - Intro
0:03:17 - Latar belakang Steffano Ridwan
0:09:50 - Bank regional, berprestasi internasional
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0:25:28 - Transisi digital, fintech, tech bubble burst
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0:47:48 - Ekonomi makro
0:53:16 - Persepsi ekspor di kalangan masyarakat
0:57:36 - Ekonomi dunia: Trump, suku bunga, AI
1:03:38 - SDM
1:13:31 - Ciri pemimpin
1:16:40 - Pesan untuk sesama institusi finansial
Dr. Hendri Saparini (pendiri dan ekonom CORE Indonesia) membedah tantangan pertumbuhan ekonomi Indonesia, yang menurutnya bisa diselesaikan dengan kebijakan publik yang cermat. Membahas secara holistik dinamika ekonomi Indonesia—mulai dari kelas menengah, UMKM, pajak, peran swasta, lapangan kerja, hilirisasi, investasi asing, ketimpangan, potensi pertumbuhan, hingga menghidupkan aktivitas ekonomi di desa. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #HendriSaparini ----------------- Episode Endgame lainnya yang mungkin juga Anda sukai:
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Does the world feel like it’s on the brink? Olaf Groth believes we’ve faced similar challenges before—and overcome them. In this episode, he explores why thoughtful policymaking, not hubris-driven innovation, holds the key to navigating our dysfunctional and fragile global systems. From politics and economics to technology, this conversation spans the US, China, Europe, Southeast Asia, and India, offering insights into a world in flux. #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #OlafGroth ----------------------- About Luminary: Olaf Groth is the founding CEO of advisory think tank Cambrian Futures. He serves as a professional faculty at UC Berkeley’s Haas School of Business, adjunct professor of Practice at Hult IBS, and honorary adjunct professor at Universiti Teknologi Malaysia. Groth is the lead co-author of “The Great Remobilization: Strategies & Designs for a Smarter Global Future” (2023) and “Solomon’s Code: Humanity in a World of Thinking Machines” (2018). About the Host: Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur, educator, and Honorary Professor of Politics and International Relations at the School of Politics and International Relations, University of Nottingham. He is also a visiting scholar at The Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC) at Stanford University (2022—2024) and a fellow at Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. ----------------------- Other episodes you might also like: Dr. Yasantha: AI vs AGI & Homo Sapien's Next Chapter
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Phillip Wong - America vs Everybody: Will The US Win The Chip Race? ----------------------- Explore and discuss this episode further: https://endgame.id/ ----------------------- Be our collaborator and partner: https://sgpp.me/contactus ----------------------- IN THIS EPISODE 01:28 - Personal background 05:58 - ‘The Great Remobilization’ Book 09:32 - What makes Olaf so optimistic to tackle his ‘6Cs’ 10:59 - Big questions in solving climate change 18:36 - “It’s a shared catastrophe waiting to happen” 22:14 - Climate change and AI 24:31 - FLP-IT 28:33 - The bifurcation of AI development 32:14 - Why is Europe seemingly not catching up on AI 39:10 - Paradox of Internet 47:08 - Energy thirst of AI 49:36 - The Three Shifts 53:43 - Digital decoupling between the US and China 55:46 - India 58:26 - Open-source and close-source? 1:01:45 - Political influence on academics in the US 1:06:28 - Data irony 1:15:35 - Historical amnesia and cognitive immunity 1:18:07 - Industrial Revolution 4.0 x Society 5.0 1:24:58 - How to catch up in an AI world?
Join Gita Wirjawan for an extraordinary exploration of non-human intelligence and scientific discovery with Professor Garry Nolan, as he unveils his groundbreaking research into UFO phenomena, AI, and the boundaries of human understanding. From childhood encounters with unexplained experiences to cutting-edge scientific investigations, this conversation delves deep into the mysteries that challenge our perception of reality, technology, and human potential. Garry Nolan is a distinguished Professor of Pathology at Stanford University, renowned for his pioneering work in immunology and his innovative approach to investigating unconventional scientific phenomena. With a distinguished career spanning immunological research and interdisciplinary investigations into non-human intelligence, Nolan has emerged as a leading voice challenging scientific orthodoxies. #GitaWirjawan #Endgame #GarryNolan ----------------------- Other episodes you might also like: • Dr. Yasantha: AI vs AGI & Homo Sapien... • Michael Levitt: Studied Physics, Mast... • America vs Everybody: Will The US Win... ----------------------- Explore and discuss this episode further: https://endgame.id/ ----------------------- Be our collaborator and partner: https://sgpp.me/contactus ----------------------- CHAPTERS 00:00 - Intro 01:23 - First encounter with Nonhuman Intelligence 04:19 - UFO sighting 06:29 - Intellectual curiosity toward the unknown 12:08 - Alien skeptics & bullies 14:26 - Why do they show themselves to us? 15:50 - Are we a threat to aliens? 18:40 - Alien’s source of energy 20:48 - Do they use AI? 26:47 - AI in immunology 32:01 - We’ve been asking the wrong question 36:06 - How many of them are in the universe? 41:22 - Philosophical consequences 45:35 - Messages for aspiring scientists 53:06 - “The most leaked secret on the planet” 58:38 - Religion and extraterrestrial being 1:02:58 - AI in the era of pessimism
