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Down with the Patribachy
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31 episodes
2 days ago
Ellie and Ben are a pair of black and white (respectively) besties who like talking about classical music. Sure, Bach’s great and all that, but what about the composers they don’t teach at school, the ones who don’t have pale skin, curly wigs or a Y chromosome, the composers you might not know so well? Each week, Ellie and Ben chat through an underrepresented composer they think you should know better, swiping left or right on the classical musicians neglected from history and choosing whether to add them to their brand-spanking-new, DEI-friendly canon.
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Ellie and Ben are a pair of black and white (respectively) besties who like talking about classical music. Sure, Bach’s great and all that, but what about the composers they don’t teach at school, the ones who don’t have pale skin, curly wigs or a Y chromosome, the composers you might not know so well? Each week, Ellie and Ben chat through an underrepresented composer they think you should know better, swiping left or right on the classical musicians neglected from history and choosing whether to add them to their brand-spanking-new, DEI-friendly canon.
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Down with the Patribachy
Episode 12: In conversation with Daniel Kidane

Surprise again!!! It’s a very special bonus episode of Down with the Patribachy, coming to you in celebration of the 76th Aldeburgh Festival, which kicks off TODAY 🤩🎉

While Ben is sadly absent (scheduling woes), Ellie is joined by Daniel Kidane — composer, educator, and this year’s Composer in Residence at the Aldeburgh Festival.

They chat all things composition, creativity, collaboration, and education — plus the magic of Aldeburgh itself, what it means to create new music in a festival steeped in history, and what Daniel’s most excited about sharing over the next two weeks.

It’s a gorgeous listen full of insight, humour, and musical inspiration — and just a taste of what’s in store at this year’s festival. If you’re in Suffolk or fancy a musical getaway, get yourself to Snape!!! More info and tickets here.

Huge thanks to Britten Pears Arts for partnering with us on this episode and letting us be part of the action.

More music, more history, and more fun at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk ✨

🎵 Listen on Spotify

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5 months ago
42 minutes 43 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 11: Season finale

Surprise! We’re back one more time with a fizzy little bonus episode to wrap up season three of Down with the Patribachy — and what a season it’s been.

We’re dishing on some of our favourite composers, reliving the fall-off-your-seat moments (yes, that includes Ben vamping through a storm), and reflecting on the chaos, the brilliance, and the musical mayhem we’ve conjured up along the way.

Ellie makes a shocking announcement — apparently she has a literal brother?? The fizz is flowing, Ben introduces a new sponsor in our final episode of the series (couldn't have thought of this earlier huh??), and we swipe left or right on season three as a whole.

It’s been wild, it’s been wonderful, and we’ve loved every second.

We literally could not have done any of this without our (Executive) Producer James Edgeler — he has tirelessly sat and edited for hours to turn incoherent waffle into fully formed sentences, to literally compose and sound-design a whole flock of jingles, and to make Ellie and Ben sound their very best. He’s been our rock this season, our third host (with a better grasp of sound levels and story arcs) and we’re more thankful to him than we’ll ever be able to say (without him having to edit it to make it make sense) xxx

And thank YOU for listening, laughing, and learning with us — and stay tuned for brand new and upcoming shows from Debut Podcasts. We’re just getting started.

See you very soon 👋
More music, more history, and more fun at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk

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7 months ago
58 minutes 53 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 10: Agathe Backer Grøndahl

It’s the season finale (sort of — stay tuned for a bonus ep next week 👀), and we are giddy on gin and glowing with Agathe admiration.

This week, we’re talking about the extraordinary Agathe Backer Grøndahl — composer, pianist, and all-round icon. Ben is now a fully signed-up Patribachy Super Fan™. Ellie attempts a segue — we’ll let you be the judge of how that goes — and the whole episode has a real air of celebration.

That’s because this one is brought to you in collaboration with Faber Music Publishing 🎉 Faber invited us to the Norwegian Ambassador’s Residence (casual) for a lecture recital all about Agathe’s brilliant music, and we rejigged the whole schedule to bring you this very special episode.

It’s the end of the season — the gin is flowing, the vibes are high, and there’s a lot of love for the music of Agathe Backer Grøndahl. Come and see the season out with us 🥹🥂

Set the mood with these playlists:
🎵 Listen on Spotify
🎶 Listen on Apple Music

Interested in purchasing your own Backer Grøndahl scores? Thought you might be:

🧚 Faber Music

More music, more history, and more fun at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk

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7 months ago
43 minutes 49 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 9: Muriel Herbert

This week, we bring you an episode recorded across two continents, ten days apart, and in the middle of a storm.What could possibly go wrong?

Ellie is recording from Kenya, Ben is battling Storm Darragh, and the result is perhaps our most chaotic episode yet. But don’t worry — Ben’s exquisite vamping skills keep us (somewhat) on track while we repeatedly lose connection, then pick up perfectly where we left off (Ben was, of course, still at his desk waiting the entire time).

When we finally get there, we talk about Muriel Herbert — a brilliant composer whose music is so stunning that Roger Quilter should start looking nervous. We make our case for why she should be at the heart of every classical singer’s repertoire, and Ellie casually predicts her full engagement while she’s at it. Spoiler alert 🚨 she was right 🤭

It’s a mess, but it’s our mess, and we love it.

Get listening with this week's playlists:
🎵 Listen on Spotify
🎶 Listen on Apple Music

More music, more history, and A BLOG at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk!

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7 months ago
39 minutes 17 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 8: Amy Beach

This week, it’s finally happening... we’re talking about Amy Beach, and no one is happier about it than Ben. In fact, he might actually say she’s his favourite Patribachy composer (bold claim indeed).

But, in true Down with the Patribachy fashion, it takes us an embarrassingly long time to actually get there. Along the way, we get somewhat sidetracked by Virgo discourse, cultural appropriation in folk-inspired music, and wheth.

Also this week, Ellie may or may not say something so outrageous that Ben threatens to retire from the podcast entirely. Will he go through with it? No. But is it dramatic? Yes.

It’s chaotic, it’s unhinged, but it’s a great time, as always.

You can listen to some lovely music by Amy Beach below:

🎵 Listen on Spotify
🎶 Listen on Apple Music

🎟️ Get your ticket for EMPOWER 2025: London – an incredible evening celebrating women in music, featuring live performances and industry talks with legends like Errollyn Wallen CBE, Jess Gillam MBE, Héloïse Werner, and Dr. Leah Broad. It’s happening Friday, 21 March 2025 at King’s Place, London, and it’s completely unmissable.
👉 Tickets & more info at empowerwomenchangingmusic.com

And as always, visit us at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk for more, including our BRAND NEW BLOG!

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7 months ago
42 minutes 37 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 7: Judith Weir

We’re back with another week of Down with the Patribachy and this time, we’re talking about the brilliant DAME Judith Weir – the first female Master of the Queen's Music!

But, as always, we take a slightly scenic route to get there. In this episode, Ellie attempts to tell Judith's story in chronological order (spoiler: she fails), Ben contributes ✨very little✨ and GUYS we have our first ever (unofficial) sponsor!!! It’s unpaid, but that’s showbiz, baby.

It’s another chaotic, brilliant, joyful week at Down with the Patribachy.

Fancy listening to some of Dame Judith's bangers? Obvs:

🎵 Listen on Spotify

🎶 Listen on Apple Music

More music, info and our FIRST EVER DEBUT BLOG (written by B himself) at debutpodcasts.co.uk.

🎟️ Get your ticket for EMPOWER 2025: London – an incredible evening celebrating women in music, featuring live performances and industry talks with legends like Errollyn Wallen CBE, Jess Gillam MBE, Héloïse Werner, and Dr. Leah Broad. It’s happening Friday, 21 March 2025 at King’s Place, London, and it’s completely unmissable.
👉 Tickets & more info at empowerwomenchangingmusic.com


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8 months ago
34 minutes 2 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 6: William Grant Still

This week, we eventually get around to talking about William Grant Still – the legendary composer who blended African musical heritage with Western classical traditions to create something truly groundbreaking. But not before we take some serious detours.

Expect:
🎻 A deep dive into Still’s fusion of spirituals, jazz, and orchestral music
📚 Ben’s History Club (aka revision videos on YouTube)
⏳ Ellie’s ongoing war with chronological order
🗣️ An unexpected ASMR moment (?!?)
💧 A theory that there must be something in the water in Little Rock, Arkansas
🎭 And a bold claim about the future of Welsh musicals

The word of the week (more than ever) is "anyway", because honestly, we need it.

Set the mood with these playlists:

🎵 Listen on Spotify
🎶 Listen on Apple Music

More music, more history, and more fun at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk!

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8 months ago
39 minutes 51 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 5: Grace Williams

It’s our St David’s Day special 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (well, the day before – but close enough 💐), and we’re celebrating by diving into the life and music of Grace Williams – the trailblazing Welsh composer who fused national identity with European modernism. From stormy seas to nursery tunes, she created some of the most evocative music of the 20th century, all while battling the expectation that composing was a man’s job.

That is, of course, if we can ever actually get past the introduction… Expect many false starts, some truly cursed attempts at professionalism, and a deep dive into the magic of Grace’s music

Hear more below:

🎼 Listen on YouTube

🎵 Listen on Spotify

🎶 Listen on Apple Music


More music, more history, and a BRAND NEW BLOG (xxx) at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk!

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8 months ago
43 minutes 21 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 4: Fanny Mendelssohn

This week, things are a little bit chaotic, but we’re shining a spotlight on Fanny Mendelssohn – a musical genius too often overshadowed by her famous brother, Felix (even though she wrote some of his best tunes 🙄). It’s time to give Fanny her due! We’re talking about her STUNNING compositions, the magic of Salon concerts (think candlelight, great music, and even better gossip), and why her work deserves to stand on its own.

Oh, and in groundbreaking news… we got our first ever sponsor! Finally, the corporate world has recognised our tireless work dismantling the patriarchy through niche classical music chat. Stay tuned for what is sure to be the most seamless and not-at-all ridiculous ad break in podcast history.

Set the mood with these playlists:

🎵 Listen on Spotify
🎶 Listen on Apple Music

More music, more history, and more fun at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk!

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8 months ago
32 minutes 22 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 3: Harry Burleigh

This week, Ellie and Ben are getting romantic and falling in love with the music of Harry Burleigh, a man who seamlessly blended African spirituals with Western classical music. Historically, Black and white musical traditions were kept apart, but Burleigh brought them together in a marriage fit for Valentine’s Day. From his stunning vocal works (some of which are very sexy — Feb 14th levels of sexy 😉🤭) to his lasting influence on classical music, we’re covering it all.


Oh, and speaking of romance… Ellie got engaged! Expect joyful chaos.


Get in the mood with these playlists:


🎵 Listen on Spotify

🎶 Listen on Apple Music


More music, more history, and more fun at www.debutpodcasts.co.uk!

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9 months ago
33 minutes 41 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 2: Clara Schumann

After getting over the fact that they aren't being basic by talking about composers you ✨might✨ know so well, this week, Ellie and Ben are talking about the life and legacy of Clara Schumann! 🤩

Child prodigy, virtuoso pianist and a composer chronically overshadowed by her brother (and her romantic life), Clara Schumann was an absolute force in the 19th century music scene – oh, and she did it while raising EIGHT KIDS 👶👶👶👶👶👶👶👶

We unpack her gender, her genius, and whether or not she belongs in our brand spanking new canon 🎶

Want to hear her music? Obvs:

🎵 Listen on Spotify

🎶 Listen on Apple Music

Keep an eye on www.debutpodcasts.co.uk for more, and email Ellie and Ben with recommendations, ideas or literally anything else at patribachy@debut.co.uk 💌





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9 months ago
35 minutes 34 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 1: Errollyn Wallen

We’re BACK, bigger and better than ever for Series 3 of Down with the Patribachy!

(We promise the audio gets better the longer you listen)

And who better to kick things off than the phenomenal Errollyn Wallen — composer, singer, and all-round legend. From opera houses to outer space, she has never let barriers stand in the way of her talent and passion for music-making, saying 'we don't break down barriers ... we don't see any'.

Expect deep dives and big laughs from Ellie and Ben. They're happy to be back.

Want to hear her work? Of course you do:

🎵 Listen on Spotify
🎶 Listen on Apple Music

Keep an eye on www.debutpodcasts.co.uk for more! ✨

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9 months ago
35 minutes 3 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 5: Teresa Carreño
What would make this podcast even more chaotic? Releasing an episode with a brand new format almost a full week late, that’s what. This week, Ben’s surprising Ellie with his choice, the marvellous pianist, soprano, conductor and composer, Teresa Carreño! Credits to Clara Rodriguez for the magnificent recording of ‘Vals Gayo’ we’re chatting about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg5YKrZT80U

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3 years ago
36 minutes 2 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 4: ‘Iconic People of Colour’ by Elizabeth Ajao
This week is a special ep because Ben is interviewing Ellie all about her brand new book, ‘Iconic People of Colour’! She discusses how this whole crazy thing came about, the publishing process and even reads a little snippet about Lin Manuel Miranda. You can purchase the book by going straight to https://summersdale.com/sd-book/iconic-people-of-colour/ or by searching for it on Amazon, Waterstones, W H Smith or Blackwell’s!

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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3 years ago
43 minutes 4 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 3: Waldemar Henrique

It's Monday and that means it's time for us to chat all about a new composer from an under-represented background, and this time we're handing over the spotlight to Portuguese-Indigenous composer, Waldemar Henrique. 

We're particularly excited about this episode because the fantastic people over at Brana Records have given us permission to include some of Henrique's songs, so we hope you enjoy getting to actually listen to this marvellous music!

To purchase any of Henrique's music, please do head over to https://www.branarecords.com where you're in for a musical feast of all sorts, so show them some love so we can share this wonderful music with you!



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3 years ago
42 minutes 38 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 2: Jessye Norman
This week we’re throwing it all the way back to May 2021 with this unpublished episode all about soprano extraordinaire, Jessye Norman! We chat about Jessye’s life and works and what made her so phenomenal. If you’re listening on Spotify, hang on after the outro to hear the recording of ‘When the Saints’ with Jessye and Mike Lovatt, and if you’re listening elsewhere, use the link below to find it on another platform. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5kw9ixlOuw

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3 years ago
26 minutes 19 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 1: A Natter with Nathan James Dearden
Patri-Bachy Podcast is back and to kick things off we were joined by the absolutely astounding Welsh composer, Nathan James Dearden. We chat music education, the importance of collaboration and most importantly, identity and how it impacts us as musicians. Tune into BBC Radio 3's choral evensong on Wednesday 26th January, 2022, to hear Ben and I singing in the world premiere of Nathan's brand new canticles, and to hear the radio premiere of his fantastic setting of 'Let All the World'! It's one not to be missed...

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3 years ago
1 hour 16 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
WE’RE BACK
Ellie and Ben are back with a big BANG! Tune in to hear what they’ve both been up to and what’s coming this season…

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3 years ago
15 minutes 18 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 12: Привет Ben Rutt-Howard!
In this week’s special episode, Ben and Ellie are joined by another Ben, but Bristol MA student and specialist in Soviet music. Here to talk to us all about Russian composer, Sofia Gubaidulina, we learn all about life as a female Soviet musician and how she was influenced by Dmitri Shostakovich. Don’t forget to give us a follow over on @patribachypod, and if you send us voicenote we’ll play it on the pod... Also please like, rate (🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟) and subscribe! Lots of love, as ever 🎶🤍

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4 years ago
57 minutes

Down with the Patribachy
Episode 11: Joseph Boulogne
In this week’s episode, Ellie and Ben chat all about Joseph Boulogne, Chevalier de Saint George, polymath, fender, dancer, musician and absolutely NOT ‘The Black Mozart’. Don’t forget to follow us on or Instagram over at @patribachypod, send us questions, voicenotes and then download, rate (🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟) and follow us wherever you get your podcasts! 🎧🤍

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4 years ago
31 minutes 35 seconds

Down with the Patribachy
Ellie and Ben are a pair of black and white (respectively) besties who like talking about classical music. Sure, Bach’s great and all that, but what about the composers they don’t teach at school, the ones who don’t have pale skin, curly wigs or a Y chromosome, the composers you might not know so well? Each week, Ellie and Ben chat through an underrepresented composer they think you should know better, swiping left or right on the classical musicians neglected from history and choosing whether to add them to their brand-spanking-new, DEI-friendly canon.