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DePINed podcast
Fluence
66 episodes
5 days ago
DePINed is a podcast focused on the ecosystem of decentralized physical networks. DePIN companies and protocols crowdsource infrastructure such as WiFi hot spots, computer servers and even cars and, using crypto incentives, create cohesive, global networks from thousands of different providers. This podcast explores all of the use cases launching in this sector as well as the key players in financing and explaining this growing sector which will reshape a broad array of industries. Hosted by Tom Trowbridge, co-founder of Fluence, previously co-founder and president at Hedera Hashgraph.
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DePINed is a podcast focused on the ecosystem of decentralized physical networks. DePIN companies and protocols crowdsource infrastructure such as WiFi hot spots, computer servers and even cars and, using crypto incentives, create cohesive, global networks from thousands of different providers. This podcast explores all of the use cases launching in this sector as well as the key players in financing and explaining this growing sector which will reshape a broad array of industries. Hosted by Tom Trowbridge, co-founder of Fluence, previously co-founder and president at Hedera Hashgraph.
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DePINed podcast
DePIN is Growing Up: What VCs Really Look For | Mike Zajko, Lattice (#66)

In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge talks to Mike Zajko, co-founder of Lattice, one of the most active DePIN-focused venture firms. Mike shares what VCs really look for in early-stage crypto projects, how the DePIN category has evolved, and why real-world traction and revenue are more critical than ever.👀 We cover:- Lattice’s origin story- What makes a DePIN project fundable (and what doesn’t)- Common mistakes early founders make- Tokenomics, airdrops & why points changed the game- The future of institutional adoption in DePIN- Why “build it and they will come” is no longer enough🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem

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1 week ago
55 minutes 40 seconds

DePINed podcast
AI-Powered TV: Smart Agents, Tokens & Real-Time Context | Mateusz Poreda, Rumi (#65)

What if your TV could talk back?In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, we dive into the future of interactive media with Mateusz Poreda, co-founder of Rumi — a decentralized protocol turning passive video into AI-powered, personalized experiences.

Real-time content indexing, contextual ads and second-screen engagement, Rumi is building a gateway between streaming, gaming, and generative AI. Don’t miss this conversation on why TV is becoming a two-way experience and how DePIN makes it possible.

We cover:• What Rumi is and how it works• How node operators contribute to media indexing• The rise of AI remotes and second-screen agents• Token incentives, airdrops & monetization• Why contextual media is the future of advertising

💡 Whether you’re a developer, builder, or DePIN enthusiast — this episode dives deep into

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem

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3 weeks ago
43 minutes 50 seconds

DePINed podcast
The Future of AI Data: Decentralized, Crowd-Powered & Blockchain-Proven | Max Li, OORT (#64)

What if anyone, anywhere could contribute to the next generation of AI and get paid for it?

In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, we talk to Max Li, founder and CEO of OORT — a decentralized data collection network with over 350,000 contributors across 100+ countries and 100,000+ active nodes. OORT is building the global infrastructure for verifiable, crowd-sourced AI data — from speech to video to edge cases.

We cover:

  • Why synthetic data isn’t enough for next-gen AI
  • How OORT rewards real-world contributors and node operators
  • Tokenomics, staking & the upcoming “TikTok for AI data”
  • Why Africa and LATAM are the next big data economies
  • Lessons from scaling one of the largest AI data DePINs

Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem 🎙️

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1 month ago
51 minutes 49 seconds

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Decentralizing Energy: Grid Disruption & Tokenization via DePIN | Jemma Green, Powerledger (#63)

💡 Can blockchain help power the future? In this episode of DePINed Podcast, we sit down with Jemma Green, Executive Chairman and co-founder of PowerLedger to explore how decentralized infrastructure is reshaping the $2 trillion global energy industry.

Jemma shares Powerledger’s journey — from launching Australia’s first ICO to building a cross-chain energy ecosystem on Solana and Ethereum.

With 100+ deployments in 15 countries, Powerledger tracks, tokenizes, and automates clean energy transactions — from peer-to-peer solar trading to renewable energy certificates (RECs) and dynamic grid pricing.

We cover:

- How energy markets are being disrupted by AI, renewables & regulation

- Why battery storage is the new local power plant

- How Powerledger’s token (POWR) is evolving with new DePIN use cases

- Community-owned energy, on-chain SLAs & economic incentives

- What “true two-sided markets” for energy could look like

- Why DePIN is the next breakout category in crypto

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem

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1 month ago
44 minutes 48 seconds

DePINed podcast
Democratizing Game Development: Slashing Dev Costs with DePIN | Jon Radoff, Beamable (#62)

With over 100 live games and millions of players, Beamable offers a full backend-as-a-service for game developers — now expanding into DePIN to cut infrastructure costs and reduce centralization risks 🎮 In this episode of DePINed, we speak with Jon Radoff, CEO and co-founder of Beamable — a platform that’s reshaping game development through decentralized infrastructure.We cover:

- The economics of game backend infrastructure

- Why DePIN is a game-changer for indie and AAA studios

- How Beamable’s upcoming tokenized network works

- Checker nodes, worker nodes & staking

- The future of game publishing powered by DePIN

- Beamable’s vision for a community-owned cloud for games💡 Whether you’re a developer, builder, or DePIN enthusiast — this episode dives deep into the intersection of gaming and decentralized infrastructure.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem

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2 months ago
50 minutes 8 seconds

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Unlocking the Permanent Cloud: Naming, Gateways & Scale on Arweave | Phil Mataras, AR.IO (#61)

The demand for faster, cheaper content delivery is exploding — can decentralized CDN scale to meet it? 🌐

In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge talks to Phil Mataras, founder & CEO of ⁠AR.IO⁠ — the first permanent cloud network built on Arweave.

We explore how ⁠AR.IO⁠ is creating seamless, reliable access to permanent data and applications by adding essential services to the Arweave ecosystem: gateways, indexing, decentralized naming and hosting infrastructure.

Topics we cover:

– Why ⁠AR.IO⁠ built a decentralized layer of access and services on top of Arweave

– The architecture behind gateway nodes, from Raspberry Pi to enterprise scale

– Tokenomics and staking incentives for running a gateway

– Use cases: censorship-resistant journalism, NFTs, social apps, and more– The vision for scaling to hundreds of terabytes and millions of permanent identities

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem

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3 months ago
52 minutes 2 seconds

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How ARO Network Is Revolutionizing Decentralized CDN with Buy-and-Burn Tokenomics | Cathy Zhu (#60)

In this episode of the #DePINed Podcast, we’re joined by Cathy Zhu, COO of ARO Network — a decentralized content delivery network (CDN) designed to transform how bandwidth is shared, monetized and scaled globally.

ARO empowers everyday users to contribute unused bandwidth through simple software or low-cost edge devices, while businesses benefit from reduced latency and dramatically lower costs.

🎙️ In this episode:

– What makes decentralized CDN cheaper and more efficient

– How ARO aggregates idle bandwidth via hardware and software

– The economics of rewarding contributors with 90% buy-and-burn

– Why ARO focuses on real revenue before token launch

– How partnerships in Southeast Asia power ARO’s growth

– Building a DePIN from Web2 infrastructure with Web3 distribution

Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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4 months ago
41 minutes 42 seconds

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How NodeOps Powers 67,000+ Nodes & $6M in DePIN Revenue | Naman Kabra, NodeOps (#59)

In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge talks to Naman Kabra, co-founder & CEO of NodeOps — a rapidly growing DePIN platform offering a full-stack suite for decentralized compute orchestration.

From one-click node deployment to a fully operational cloud, security hub, and staking tools — NodeOps is redefining how developers, node operators, and compute providers interact.

🎙️ In this conversation:

- How NodeOps scaled from $0 to 7-figure revenue in under a year

- The economics of third-party node provisioning

- Dynamic mint-and-burn tokenomics explained

- The roadmap to permissionless compute and verifiable infrastructure

- Building revenue-first in Web3 — without touching treasury

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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4 months ago
52 minutes 2 seconds

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Building the Real-World Metaverse: How to Scale 3D Mapping | Diego Di Tommaso, OVER (#58)

In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge talks to Diego Di Tommaso, co-founder of Over, a leading project building decentralized 3D maps for ARWe explore how Over evolved from a metaverse platform to a large-scale visual positioning system and why real-world mapping is the missing link for immersive AR experiencesTopics we cover:

- How Over mapped 128,000+ locations with centimeter-level precision

- Why 3D maps are essential for anchoring AR to physical space

- The tokenomics behind mapping incentives and land ownership

- New revenue streams from enterprise use cases and spatial AI

- Collaboration across DePIN: partnering with networks like Hivemapper and NATIX

- What smart glasses mean for the future of Web3 AR🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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4 months ago
55 minutes 43 seconds

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Building for the Future of Decentralized Storage and Compute | Sam Williams, Arweave (#57)

In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Sam Williams, co-founder & CEO of Arweave, to unpack the economics, technology, and vision behind decentralized permanent storage and compute.

Discover:

- How Arweave achieves near-perpetual storage using an endowment model that beats AWS costs over time

- The tokenomics that underpin Arweave’s long-term sustainability and value capture

- Why Arweave’s system is inherently trustless, ensuring data integrity without centralized control

- How Arweave’s unique model incentivizes miners to keep costs low while locking up tokens in long-term endowments

- The relationship between Arweave and AO, its decentralized compute platform, and why AI workloads are driving massive growth

- How Arweave competes with traditional cloud providers by delivering a more resilient and cost-effective solution

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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5 months ago
1 hour 6 minutes 21 seconds

DePINed podcast
The DePIN Storage Layer Powering AI & Media Workloads | Colby Winegar, Storj (#56)

In this episode of the #DePINedPodcast, Tom Trowbridge speaks with Colby Winegar, CEO of Storj, a decentralized cloud storage protocol with nearly a decade of evolution behind it.

We cover how Storj is bridging the gap between traditional cloud performance and decentralized architecture — through measurable value for real customers across AI, media, healthcare and academia

🧠 In this episode:

– How Storj achieves up to 80% lower storage and egress costs than AWS

– Why some customers report Storj is 2–3x faster than Amazon for global data access

– The economics behind fixed-price storage across 20,000+ decentralized nodes

– How the protocol handles operator payments in token, with a roadmap toward market-driven token demand

– Challenges in go-to-market, vertical focus, and customer education in the DePIN space

Listen now for an in-depth look at the real-world mechanics, tradeoffs, and opportunities behind decentralized storage at scale

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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5 months ago
38 minutes 38 seconds

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Decentralized RPC, Real Revenue & LLM Access | Arthur Sabintsev: POKT Network (#55)

🎙️ In this episode of the DePINedPodcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Arthur Sabintsev, CEO of POKT, one of the earliest DePIN projects and a cornerstone of decentralized infrastructure since 2019.

What started as a decentralized gateway to blockchain data has now expanded far beyond crypto: Pocket is evolving into a generalized data transport layer.

Watch to learn:


- How Pocket provides decentralized, censorship-resistant access to 60+ blockchains and open networks

- What it takes to run high-performance infrastructure in a DePIN protocol

- Why most Pocket nodes are now hosted in professional data centers

- The role of RPC gateways and sovereign access providers in Pocket’s new architecture

- How Grove (the team behind Pocket) thinks about pricing, competition, and revenue

This episode dives deep into the architecture, economics, and strategy behind one of the longest-running DePIN protocols — and why the future of infrastructure might belong to agents, not users.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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5 months ago
50 minutes 27 seconds

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Decentralized Storage, Real Revenue & the Rise of Subnets | Juan Benet: Filecoin (#54)

In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Juan Benet, inventor of IPFS and founder of Protocol Labs, to explore how Filecoin is evolving far beyond storage — into subnets, stablecoins, capital markets and real-world adoption.

📍 This special episode was recorded live at DePIN Day Dubai — a global conference series dedicated to exploring the rise of Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks

🌍 Want to join us in the next city? Check out https://depinday.xyz/ for upcoming locations

We explore:

- The productization of decentralized storage and the rise of L2s on Filecoin

- Why Filecoin’s tokenomics unlock long-term cost advantages

- How subnet architecture enables scalability and localization

- The launch of a Filecoin-backed stablecoin

- Why emerging markets are key to DePIN growth

- Tactical advice for DePIN founders building through a bear market

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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5 months ago
28 minutes 17 seconds

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Web3 Hot Storage That Actually Works for Enterprises | Stefaan Vervaet: Akave (#53)

In this episode of the #DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Stefaan Vervaet, founder of Akave, to explore how decentralized storage is finally enterprise-ready.

Born out of Protocol Labs, Akave combines S3 compatibility, high durability, and on-chain verifiability — offering a real alternative to AWS, Glacier, and traditional storage models. Stefaan shares insights from his $355M+ startup exits and dives deep into why data egress costs are the next big pain point, how AI workloads are driving demand, and how Akave plans to scale toward $100M+ ARR with real enterprise contracts.

🧠 In this episode, we cover:

- Why enterprises are fed up with egress fees

- How Agave integrates with Filecoin, Snowflake and AI pipelines

- The power of verifiable, decentralized hot storage

- Akave’s unique subnet model and revenue-first approach

- Token incentives, staking, slashing and enterprise-grade SLAs

- Lessons from building $355M in storage startups

Hot storage, snowflake integrations, DePIN-native token economics — this episode is packed with real-world traction, use cases, and strategy.

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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6 months ago
47 minutes 14 seconds

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Startup Turns Phones into a Decentralized Compute Network | Alessandro De Carli: Acurast (#52)

What If Your Old Phone Could Power the Next AI Model?

In this episode of the DePINed podcast, host Tom Trowbridge speaks with Alessandro De Carli, co-founder of Acurast — a decentralized confidential compute network built entirely on mobile devices. Alessandro shares his journey from mobile security at Credit Suisse to launching Acurast, and explains why smartphones are underutilized powerhouses perfect for distributed computation. They dive into topics like trusted execution environments (TEEs), real-world DePIN use cases, token economics and why mobile-first infrastructure could rival hyperscalers like AWS.

In this episode, we cover:

- Why mobile phones are the future of decentralized compute

- How Acurast transforms smartphones into secure compute nodes

- Trusted Execution Environments (TEE) explained

- The role of token economics in scaling decentralized infrastructure

- Why hyperscalers like AWS should pay attention to mobile-first networks

Whether you’re into Web3, edge computing or the future of AI infrastructure — this episode is not to be missed 🚀

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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6 months ago
51 minutes 20 seconds

DePINed podcast
Decentralizing HD Maps for Autonomous Vehicles & AI | Guang Ling: Rovr Network (#51)

Is DePIN the key to scaling real-time 3D mapping for AI & AVs?

In this episode of The DePINed Podcast, we sit down with Guang Ling, founder of Rovr Network, to explore how crowdsourced 3D data and LiDAR-powered devices could unlock a new layer of spatial intelligence for the real world

🧠 The project uses both smartphone-based setups and professional-grade LiDAR rigs — with ambitious plans to collect 100M+ kilometers of street-level data and offer weekly refresh rates at a fraction of the cost of traditional HD maps.

In this episode, we cover:

- Why HD maps are critical for autonomous driving & AI

- Rovr’s dual-hardware strategy (TX & LC devices)

- Cutting map costs by 80% with better refresh rates

- Token economics, point system, and plans for TGE

- Real market insights from a LIDAR and telecom expert

- Building toward millions in revenue and Tier 1 clients

- The future of spatial AI and 3D training datasets

Whether you’re into DePIN, AI or geospatial tech, this episode is a must-listen 🚀

Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution! Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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6 months ago
45 minutes 27 seconds

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Cyber-Resilient Storage and Real Yield: Protocol Deep Dive | Patrick Dunlop: Jackal Labs (#50)

Can decentralized storage compete with enterprise-grade SLAs? 🧠 In this episode of The DePINed Podcast, we sit down with Patrick Dunlop, co-founder of Jackal Protocol, to explore what it takes to build a decentralized storage network that’s fast, secure, and enterprise-ready

While most DePINs race for cheaper infrastructure, Jackal is doing something different: delivering cyber-resilient, hot storage with on-chain SLAs. Designed for both individuals and enterprises, Jackal provides encrypted storage with auto-healing, multi-node redundancy, and privacy baked into the protocol

🌐 With over 1,000 users and growing, Patrick shares how Jackal is moving beyond speculation and toward real yield by targeting B2B use cases, onboarding clients through enterprise sales, and offering competitive storage solutions that can rival centralized giants

In this episode, we cover:

- The mechanics behind Jackal’s auto-healing and SLA guarantees

- Why decentralized storage must evolve beyond the Web3 dev niche

- What sets Jackal apart from Filecoin, Arweave, and others

- The shift from inflationary tokenomics to real demand-driven yield

- How Jackal plans to scale toward $100M+ revenue

- Where decentralization and cybersecurity meet in storage

- Patrick’s journey from digital forensics to building mission-critical infrastructure

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution! Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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6 months ago
48 minutes 28 seconds

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Crowdsourced Location, Verified Data & DePIN at Scale | Markus Levin: XYO (#49)

What if the first DePIN was launched years before the term even existed? ⏰

In this episode, we sit down with Markus Levin, co-founder of XYO, the original DePIN protocol powering real-world data validation through a global network of 8M+ devices and earning over $10M in revenue.

From cryptographic location proofs to on-demand data requests, XYO has been quietly building one of the most active decentralized infrastructure networks in the world.

We discuss:

- How XYO scales data validation with mobile devices

- Why apps are essential for onboarding non-crypto users

- XYO’s crowdsourced model and token incentives

- The real economics behind $10M+ in protocol revenue

- Insights on token buy & burn mechanics

- Why XYO is still a unique player in the DePIN space

- Future use cases in AI, underserved regions, and beyond

A must-listen for anyone curious about the real-world adoption of DePIN, and what it takes to build through multiple market cycles.

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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7 months ago
42 minutes 51 seconds

DePINed podcast
DePIN for TikTok, $1M Revenue & 550K Devices | Konstantin Tkachuk: Titan Network (#48)

Real Revenue, Real Devices, Real DePIN

In this episode, we sit down with Konstantin Tkachuk, CEO and co-founder of Titan Network, a decentralized infrastructure protocol building edge-native web services using idle bandwidth, storage, and compute from over 550,000 devices worldwide

🟢 Titan is already powering real-world use cases — including CDN services for TikTok — and taking a customer-first approach that challenges the norms of crypto-native infrastructure

We cover:

- Titan’s shift from resource-first to demand-first growth

- How the network rewards contributors dynamically

- Real usage in 140+ countries with $1M+ in protocol revenue

- Titan’s edge CDN architecture and testnet rollout

- The road to mainnet and upcoming token launch

A must-listen for anyone interested in the future of decentralized cloud services and how DePIN protocols are winning with real-world adoption

🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution

Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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7 months ago
49 minutes 51 seconds

DePINed podcast
The Future of Machine Intelligence & The DePIN Compute Revolution | Ben Fielding: Harry Grieve: Gensyn (#47)

Can decentralized machine learning unlock the next frontier of AI infrastructure? 🤖

In this episode, we sit down with Ben Fielding and Harry Grieve, co-founders of Gensyn, the decentralized protocol for machine intelligence. The protocol allows any ML-capable hardware — eg GPUs, CPUs, ASICs — to peer together and contribute to the trustless training and deployment of hyperscale AI systems, all without relying on cloud providers

🔥 What’s inside?

- Why machine learning operations (not GPUs) are the true unit of value

- How Gensyn enables scalable, verifiable compute across global hardware

- The role of trust, consensus, and open source in AI’s future

- Token economics, demand-side revenue, and the end of supply-first DePINs

- How Gensyn will create a truly competitive market for AI infrastructure — and compete with OpenAI


🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution

Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

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7 months ago
58 minutes 49 seconds

DePINed podcast
DePINed is a podcast focused on the ecosystem of decentralized physical networks. DePIN companies and protocols crowdsource infrastructure such as WiFi hot spots, computer servers and even cars and, using crypto incentives, create cohesive, global networks from thousands of different providers. This podcast explores all of the use cases launching in this sector as well as the key players in financing and explaining this growing sector which will reshape a broad array of industries. Hosted by Tom Trowbridge, co-founder of Fluence, previously co-founder and president at Hedera Hashgraph.