Noemí Gualinga (Kichwa Indigenous People of Sarayaku, Ecuador) is an Indigenous leader and a member of the Amazonian Women Defenders of the Rainforest Collective, an organization dedicated to protecting the rights of Indigenous women and their territories.

Noemí has crossed many rivers — both literal and metaphorical — learning to adapt to life in the city, to other languages, and to unfamiliar rules. She has adapted, but never forgotten who she is or where she comes from. This is the lesson she has passed on to her children.

For Noemí, preserving and transmitting knowledge — and sustaining the deep relationship with their territory — rests on one essential foundation: protecting and caring for their language. Because it is through language that children come to understand the wisdom of the forest and learn how to care for and defend their roots.

In this episode, Grandmother Helen Lindmark (Sámi Indigenous People, Sápmi) shares her deep connection to the land and the Sámi way of life. The Sámi people inhabit Sápmi—a vast, remote region that spans Sweden, Finland, Norway, and Russia’s Kola Peninsula—located within the Arctic Circle and rich in minerals like copper and gold. Because of this, their lands and communities have long been threatened by extractive industries and colonial forces that have sought to suppress their language and cultural traditions. Today, the Sámi are the only Indigenous people recognized within the European Union.

Despite these challenges, Grandmother Helen continues to defend the sacred relationship between her people, their land, and the more-than-human world. Through silence and the practice of deep listening to the language of nature, she reminds us of the importance of returning to our roots and recognizing our profound interconnectedness.

In this episode, Christine Kandie (Endorois Indigenous People, Kenia) shares a deeply personal story of dispossession, resistance, and healing. Following the forced eviction of her people from their ancestral land in 1973, Christine grew up hearing stories of a lake that was like a womb for her community—vital, spiritual, and irreplaceable.

In this episode, we follow her journey from a childhood in exile to becoming the founder of the Endorois Indigenous Women Empowerment Network. Along the way, she has challenged layers of invisibility to demand justice, reparations, and recognition. This is a story about the power of memory, identity, and what it means to keep fighting when you are told to forget who you are.

Patricia Tobón Yagarí (Emberá-Chamí Indigenous People, Colombia) is an Indigenous attorney who bridges worlds: between Indigenous and non-Indigenous cosmologies, communities and the State, Western law and the stories of the Colombian armed conflict, and the processes of truth, healing, and reparation. Her home was her first school, and her career demonstrates that being born between two worlds—and deeply understanding both—is a powerful tool for building bridges between diverse actors.

In the first episode of the second season, Mphatheleni Makaulule (Venda Indigenous People, South Africa) shares her experience as a keeper of Indigenous knowledge systems. Mphatheleni argues that defending her territory means protecting her language—the words she and her people use to foster relationships with their land. As part of her work, she has documented and preserved the knowledge of the elders and the wisdom embedded in their language.

Crossing the River is a podcast in which we hear from Indigenous leaders who defend life on Earth every day, in their own words, because they are the protagonists of their own stories. To make the collective decisions which will define our present and our future, and to re-examine the stories we tell about our past, we must listen to their voices.

This podcast amplifies Indigenous peoples’ voices; it does not explain or interrupt them. Here, you will hear directly from Indigenous leaders, because deep listening requires paying close attention to the way they pause and breathe and to the weight they carry in their voices.

We invite you to cross the river, to connect and meet with Indigenous leaders and their peoples. With this exercise in attentive listening and practice, we plant this collective seed for the future with them.

Welcome to the second season of Crossing the River.

Crossing the River is a podcast from the More Than Human Life Program (MOTH), based at the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at NYU School of Law and 070 Podcasts.

The team behind the podcast is Carlos Andrés Baquero Díaz from MOTH, Natalia Arenas, Goldy Levy, and Andrés Villegas. The original art is by Nefazta and the music is by Cosmo Sheldrake. 

En el episodio final de esta temporada de Cruzar el Río, conversamos con Davi Kopenawa Yanomami, chamán, líder y etnógrafo del pueblo indígena Yanomami de Brasil. Davi nos invita a reflexionar sobre la obsesión materialista de la sociedad moderna, la que él llama como el «pueblo de las mercancías», que también se puede traducir como el pueblo que se concentró en acumular cachivaches. Este pueblo está afanada por explotar y apropiarse de la vida humana y más-que-humana. Desde su conocimiento ancestral, Davi comparte cómo el pueblo Yanomami mantiene un diálogo constante con la naturaleza, el ser que no miente, ofreciendo una visión crítica y transformadora para repensar nuestra relación con el mundo que habitamos.

En este episodio de Cruzar el Río, conversamos con Ehuana Yaira Yanomami, artista, escritora e investigadora del pueblo indígena Yanomami de Brasil. Ehuana reflexiona sobre el papel crucial de las mujeres en la resistencia contra la minería ilegal de oro y la violencia patriarcal asociada a esta práctica. En su lengua materna, una de las seis de la familia lingüística yanomami, nos guía a través de las luchas y transformaciones que han redefinido la movilización indígena, resaltando la fuerza colectiva de las mujeres y la defensa del territorio en la Amazonía.

En este episodio, Luiz Eloy Terena, del Pueblo Indígena Terena de Brasil, narra la movilización en contra del Marco Temporal, el caso más importante de la historia relacionado a los derechos territoriales de los pueblos indígenas en Brasil. También habla de su trabajo como abogado indígena y de su rol como traductor para ayudar a tender puentes entre los pueblos indígenas y el resto de la sociedad.

En este episodio, José Gualinga, líder del pueblo indígena Sarayaku de Ecuador, presenta la iniciativa Kawsak Sacha, o Selva Viviente, y explica sus dos significados fundamentales. Por un lado, destaca la profunda conexión espiritual y material entre los seres humanos y su territorio. Por otro, resalta el propósito esencial de la lucha del pueblo Sarayaku: lograr que su territorio y todos los seres que lo habitan, sean reconocidos, resguardados y protegidos por el derecho.

Joan Carling (pueblo indígena Kankanaey, Filipinas) plantea una pregunta crítica: ¿cómo respondemos al sistema global que ve la sostenibilidad —y el futuro de nuestro planeta— como simplemente otra oportunidad de lucro? El cuarto episodio de Cruzar el río responde a la expansión del colonialismo verde y a la crisis climática enfatizando el papel crucial de los pueblos indígenas en los procesos de toma de decisiones que afectan sus vidas y territorios.

Ana Manuela Ochoa es abogada indígena del pueblo Kankuamo, en Colombia. Es, además, la primera magistrada indígena de la Jurisdicción Especial para la Paz (JEP), el tribunal de justicia creado por el acuerdo de paz entre la guerrilla de las FARC y el Estado colombiano. Ana Manuela, al igual que su pueblo, ha sido víctima de la guerrilla; sin embargo, lucha no solo por alcanzar la paz y la justicia para las personas, sino también para los territorios y la naturaleza, bajo la convicción de que los territorios sienten y sufren tanto como los seres humanos.

Mauricio Ye’kuana (Pueblo Indígena Ye’kuana, Brasil) habla sobre la lucha del Pueblo Indígena Yanomami para oponerse a la minería ilegal de oro en la Amazonía brasileña, así como en la falta de respuesta del gobierno brasileño ante esta crisis. El segundo episodio de Cruzar el río cuestiona conceptos centrales del llamado Primer Mundo –como el progreso, el consumo y la extracción– mientras Mauricio habla sobre las acciones que los pueblos indígenas de la Amazonía han emprendido para defender sus vidas y territorios.

En este episodio, Juma Xipaia (Pueblo Indígena Xipaia, Brasil) comparte sus experiencias como mujer y como lideresa indígena, al tiempo que comenta sobre las transformaciones institucionales que han tenido lugar en Brasil desde la elección del presidente Lula da Silva. Su lucha viene desde dentro: porque ahora forma parte del gobierno, y esta decisión le ha exigido hacer muchos sacrificios.

En este podcast conocerás a líderes y lideresas indígenas que viven en primera línea de la crisis climática mundial. Aquí comparten sus experiencias vitales, conocimientos y consejos urgentes. Son ellos y ellas quienes están liderando el camino hacia un futuro posible. Es hora de escucharles, es hora de cruzar el río.

Cruzar el río es un podcast de More Than Human Life (MOTH), con sede en el Centro de Derechos Humanos y Justicia Global de la Facultad de Derecho de la Universidad de Nueva York y 070 Podcasts.

Davi Kopenawa Yanomami (Yanomami Indigenous People, Brazil) is a shaman, a leader, and a scientist. Davi has crossed multiple rivers many times to question what he calls the “people of the merchandise” and their desire to exploit and possess human and more-than-human life. Davi, in this episode, delves into his ancestral knowledge to present his critique of a society obsessed with material objects, with trinkets. At the same time, Davi shares how the Yanomami people talk with nature, the being that does not lie.

Ana Manuela Ochoa (Kankuamo Indigenous People, Colombia) is the first Indigenous Justice at the Special Jurisdiction for Peace (JEP, for its acronym in Spanish). As part of her work, Ochoa has been arguing for the recognition of the territories as victims of the Colombian armed conflict. In her own words, human and more-than-human suffering should be recognized and repaired as part of the reconciliation process happening in the country.

In this episode, Luiz Eloy Terena (Terena Indigenous People, Brazil), explains the legal case of the Marco Temporal in Brazil, and the strategies of Indigenous organizations to overturn the unconstitutional initiative. Terena also explains his role as a lawyer and cultural translator for the Indigenous peoples and their organizations in Brazil.

Ehuana Yaira Yanomami (Yanomami Indigenous People, Brazil) is an artist, writer, and researcher dedicated to amplifying the voices of Yanomami women. In this episode, Ehuana delves into the ways in which women have reshaped Indigenous mobilization against illegal gold mining and the patriarchal violence accompanying it. She speaks in her mother tongue, one of the six languages within the Yanomami language family.

José Gualinga (Kichwa Indigenous People of Sarayaku, Ecuador) introduces the concept of Kawsak Sacha (Living Forest) and describes its dual meaning: the profound connection between humans and their territory, and the core mission of the Sarayaku struggle. For the Sarayaku People, their territory and the more-than-human world must be protected and should be granted legal rights.