In this conversation, Sean Millhouse and Asher Morgan explore the intersection of astrology and therapy, focusing on Deborah Silverman's book, 'I Don't Believe in Astrology.' They discuss the psychological implications of astrology, the importance of self-acceptance, and the roles of the observer and gremlins in our minds. Throughout the episode, they delve into the complexities of astrology, exploring how planets, houses, and stelliums interact to shape our personalities and life experiences. They discuss the significance of Saturn as a teacher of life lessons and the concept of esoteric astrology, which emphasizes internal growth over external validation. The discussion also touches on the upcoming astrological shifts and their potential impact on society, highlighting the importance of self-reflection and collective growth in navigating these changes.