If there’s one name to know in the fight for PBM reform, it’s Benjamin Jolley. As Co-Founder of Apex Consulting and Senior Fellow at the American Economic Liberties Project, Ben has spent years exposing what’s been broken in the pharmacy system—and what can still be fixed. Most recently, he addressed 20,000 attendees at a rally in Salt Lake City to advocate for Breaking Up Big Medicine (breakupbigmedicine.com). This week, Ben joins us on the Catalyst Pharmacy Podcast to talk about all things advocacy, legislation, and fighting for what’s right from the front lines of the pharmacy all the way to Capitol Hill. 

2:45 – Opening discussion on PBM reform momentum 

8:16 – Legislative wins for pharmacy 

11:44 – Banning vertical integration between PBMs and pharmacies 

14:03 – “Break Up Big Medicine” campaign details 

21:37 – Mandatory NADAC reporting: what's required and what it solves 

29:36 – Chain vs. independent pricing: real-world examples of inequality 

36:14 – Helping pharmacies with Medicare plan optimization 

47:51 – Final thoughts and call to action for community involvement 

Benjamin’s Substack: https://benjaminjolley.substack.com/ 

Apex Consulting: https://www.apexpharmacyconsulting.com/ 

Hosted By: Mark Bivins | Chief Growth Officer, RedSail Technologies 

Guest: Benjamin Jolley | Pharmacist at Jolley’s Compounding Pharmacy 

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