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Build and Learn
CJ Avilla, Colin Loretz
58 episodes
3 months ago
A podcast about software development and developing ourselves as software engineers. Hosted by CJ Avilla and Colin Loretz.
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A podcast about software development and developing ourselves as software engineers. Hosted by CJ Avilla and Colin Loretz.
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Build and Learn
Flavors of DevRel: tummeling, docs, SDKs, meetings, and conferences

In this episode, we reconnect for season 3, after a short hiatus to chat about life in Developer Relations (DevRel) at bigger companies, the avalanche of meetings that come with onboarding, the rollercoaster of prepping for big events like GDC, and the ongoing quest to create top-tier documentation and SDKs. We swap tips for maximizing AI tools, reflect on building the DevRel muscle from scratch, and share some fun side stories about local AI models, the surprising details that delight developers, and the importance of building reusable content for conferences.

Topics Covered

  1. DevRel at a Big Company
    • Balancing one-on-ones, onboarding tasks, and project management meetings.
    • Strategies for politely pruning your calendar so actual work gets done.
    • Why dev advocates end up as “tummelers,” making sure every voice is heard in a bustling org.
  2. GDC & Conference Prep
    • The crunch leading up to a big event—workshops, talks, documentation updates, and unexpected scope creep.
    • Juggling multiple presentations and deciding what content should be reusable or recorded.
    • First steps planning DevRel activities for major company conferences.
  3. Flavor Variations of Dev Advocacy
    • Comparing DevRel at a self-serve startup (like Stripe) vs. an enterprise environment where devs aren’t always the decision-makers.
    • How to navigate new responsibilities, from establishing YouTube channels to championing better docs platforms.
  4. SDK Generation & Documentation Challenges
    • The pros and cons of self-built vs. third-party, auto-generated SDKs.
    • Maintaining a polished, dev-friendly experience across multiple languages.
    • Cleaning up an OpenAPI spec, ensuring thorough examples and descriptions.
    • Balancing “thin vs. full-featured” SDK approaches (retries, pagination, error handling, oh my!).
  5. Insights on Tools & AI
    • How many AI services are too many AI services? (ChatGPT, Claude, Cursor, Descript, ElevenLabs, local LLaMa, etc.)
    • Encouraging new coders (like Logan!) to lean on AI-driven dev tools and embrace prompt engineering.
    • Will auto-generated SDKs eventually make handcrafted clients obsolete? Maybe…but not quite yet.
  6. Write the Docs
    • Excitement around giving a talk at the Write the Docs conference on open-source documentation.
    • Lessons learned from letting the community contribute PRs, and how it all ties back to building dev relationships.
  7. Fun Developer Delights
    • Appreciating the “little things” in product design—from underscore-only API keys that copy easily, to IKEA coffee mugs that drain flawlessly in dishwashers.
    • Why it’s worth fighting for extra developer-experience polish (and how that shapes product love).


Resources Mentioned

  • Write the Docs
    https://www.writethedocs.org
  • OpenAPI Initiative
    https://www.openapis.org
  • ReadMe (API Documentation Platform)
    https://readme.com
  • Fern (SDK Generation)
    https://www.fernapi.com
  • Speakeasy (SDK Generation)
    https://www.speakeasyapi.dev
  • Stainless (SDK Generation)
    https://stainlessapi.com
  • Orbit (Community Tools)
    https://orbit.love
  • Stripe
    https://stripe.com
  • Descript
    https://www.descript.com
  • ElevenLabs
    https://elevenlabs.io
  • Anthropic
    https://www.anthropic.com
  • Vercel’s v0 (AI App Builder)
    https://v0.dev
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8 months ago
44 minutes

Build and Learn
Travel Tech/Gear and Learning Game Dev

This week we talk about travel from a tech/gear lens and learning game development.

  •  CJ is back from Italy 
    • apple pay, currency conversion, splitwise, train, google maps, translation apps, tour headsets
    • Colin's food tip: Topjaw on youtube
    • Airalo for esim
    • Train travel in europe is amazing!
    • One-bag travel, having an extra smaller bag
      • Pack Hacker
  • Colin learning Unity
    • Flappy bird tutorial
  • CJ is winding down from Craftwork, what's next!
  • Interviews and AI
  • Advent of Code 2024!
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10 months ago
46 minutes

Build and Learn
Wordpress Drama and Discord Activities

In this episode, we discuss the WordPress vs. WP Engine drama. We also chat about Discord Activities, the new way to embed games and experiences directly in Discord.


Resources

  • https://replicate.com/ 
  • https://mikecann.co.uk/posts/battletabs-global-launch-on-discord-activities
  • https://a16z.com/discord-activities-social-gaming/
  • Tech Crunch Wordpress Drama Explained https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/07/wordpress-vs-wp-engine-drama-explained/
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11 months ago
45 minutes

Build and Learn
To AI Assist or not to AI Assist?

CJ and Colin chat about AI tools and coding environments. Pros and cons, daily workflows, and challenges of various AI-driven coding tools like VS Code, Cursor, and Copilot.

We also talk about the broader implications of AI in content generation, particularly on platforms like LinkedIn, and emphasize maintaining a human touch in communication to avoid hollow, AI-generated content.

- Avante nvim plugin
- Cursor
- Github Copilot 

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12 months ago
43 minutes

Build and Learn
Personal Knowledge Management (Second Brain)

In this episode, you'll learn about the PARA Method for organizing your notes and tasks, emphasizing the importance of balancing craftsmanship with delivering real customer value. Discover insights from Pieter Levels' success with straightforward tech stacks and recurring revenue from multiple startups. The discussion covers the power of building in public, optimizing productivity with personal CRMs and AI tools, and managing digital notes using Obsidian and Logseq. Tune in to explore practical challenges and solutions for enhancing your workflow and staying connected.

00:00 Introduction and Catching Up
00:20 Lex Friedman and Pieter Levels Interview Discussion
01:09 Frameworks and Developer Influencers
03:08 Peter's Success and Indie Hacking
05:23 Building and Shipping Products
05:43 Marketing and Influencer Impact
13:23 Personal Knowledge Management
22:25 Exploring Obsidian and PARA
23:02 Organizing Projects and Areas
23:43 Daily Logs and Workflows
26:42 Handling Digital Scraps and Notes
30:31 Plugins and Syncing Issues
34:34 AI Tools for Meetings and Transcriptions
38:07 AI Code Editors and Future Discussions
39:37 Conclusion and Next Week's Teaser

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1 year ago
40 minutes

Build and Learn
Our Daily Drivers: Hardware and Software Edition

In this episode, Colin and CJ discuss their audio and video setups, ideal microphones, cameras, and software for content creation. They dive into the specifics of the equipment they use and recommend budget-friendly options for those just getting started. Additionally, they touch upon some useful applications and tools that streamline their workflows, and discuss their experience with various developer-related projects.

Our Daily Drivers
1. Shure SM7B
2. Shure SM58
3. Cloudlifter
4. Triton Fethead
5. Scarlett Solo
6. Eleven Labs
7. YouTube Studio
8. Google Experimental Music Effects
9. Descript
10. Apple Studio Display
11. Sony A6100
12. Elgato Camlink
13. Elgato Key Lights
14. Elgato Streamdeck
15. OBS
16. Audio-Technica ATR2500
17. Shure MV7
18. Handmirror app
19. Cleanshot
20. Skitch
21. Warp
22. Neovim
23. iTerm2
24. OhMyZsh
25. Alacritty
26. VS Code
27. ngrok
28. zoxide
29. eza
30. fzf
31. Raycast
32. Fantastical
33. Textmate
34. CJ's /uses page

Find more audio gear at Podcast Method

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1 year ago
36 minutes

Build and Learn
Rails 20th Anniversary, Writing Culture

In this episode, we celebrate the 20th anniversary of Ruby on Rails, reflecting on its impact and vibrant community. We share Rails origin stories from the late 2000s and early 2010s. You'll hear about different companies' reading and writing cultures, including practices like decision documents, meeting notes, and internal newsletters.

You'll hear updates on current projects, with Colin discussing a major documentation initiative and the challenges of balancing meta-work with actual work. CJ provides an update on a large-scale refactoring project, detailing the process of converting enums to models across various parts of the codebase. You'll also get book recommendations, including "The PARA Method" about note-taking and personal knowledge management, and "Unreasonable Hospitality" which explores creating exceptional customer experiences.

Finally, we discuss the concept of "unreasonable hospitality" and how to delight customers through thoughtful, personalized interactions.

Resources

  • Unreasonable Hospitality - https://www.amazon.com/Unreasonable-Hospitality-Remarkable-Giving-People/dp/0593418573
  • PARA method - https://fortelabs.com/blog/para/ 
  • Amazon's working backwards - https://www.productplan.com/glossary/working-backward-amazon-method/ 
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1 year ago
42 minutes

Build and Learn
DevRelCon, Red Eyes, and Enums

We discuss visiting NYC, DevRelCon, red-eye flights, and why enums are terrible.

Some of the bits and bobs mentioned in this episode:
- DevRelCon
- Chef's Table (S2E1 Grant Achatz) / Alinea
- Steal Like An Artist by Austin Kleon
- CJ enumerating lessons about enums

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1 year ago
44 minutes

Build and Learn
Two Years of Build & Learn

We're celebrating our 50th episode and two years of podcasting. In this milestone episode, we reflect on what has kept us consistent, our laid-back approach to podcasting, and give a shoutout to you! We also explore how social media affects consumer behavior and share tips for managing digital consumption and mental health.

You'll also hear about our latest projects, including optimizing Redis for better performance in our Rails app and our current work at Discord and Craftwork. Plus, we dive into the world of AI tools for content creation, using them to create engaging short-form videos. Thanks for joining us on this journey!

Resources
* 
Money with Katie - https://moneywithkatie.com/ 
* Mostly Technical - https://mostlytechnical.com/
* Bootstrapped Web - https://bootstrappedweb.com/ 
* Syntax - https://syntax.fm/
* APIs You Wont Hate - https://apisyouwonthate.com/
* The Bike Shed - https://bikeshed.thoughtbot.com/ 

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1 year ago
43 minutes

Build and Learn
Enum Types, Coworking Software, and more Atomic Habits
Producer's note: This episode should have gone out as episode 48 ahead of Webhooks! This is our missing episode. Join us next episode for episode 50!

Colin has a fitness update: working on the lungs, breathing and stress in general. CJ is digging into enums and converting them to models at Craftwork. More to come on that topic soon. Colin continues to avoid building Coworking Software (to everyone's applause) and CJ is digging back into James Clear's Atomic Habits.

  • Colin: Fitness update / massage / breathing 
  • CJ: Big refactor from an enum to a model - evolving pricing models
  • CJ's sleek lidar mop vacuum 
  • Colin: Coworking Software Update: not building anything, trying out Joan
  • Colin: Internal discussion on Webhooks
  • CJ: rereading Atomic Habits
  • Colin mentions some Obsidian (more on that to come in future episodes)
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1 year ago
41 minutes

Build and Learn
Webhooks!

In this episode, you'll learn about webhooks and how they enable event-driven integrations. We cover webhooks, how they work, and best practices for providers and consumers.

Topics:

- The evolution of webhooks and how they compare to traditional API polling methods
- Implementing webhooks securely, including verification techniques
- Strategies for handling and processing webhook data
- Challenges you might face with versioning and payload changes
- Useful tools and resources for working with webhooks

We share our experiences implementing webhooks across various platforms, mentioning Stripe, Twilio, and Slack as examples of good webhook implementations. We also discuss how tools like Zapier can help with webhook integrations and automation.

You'll hear about CJ's recent experiences with React Native and Expo Go, as well as updates on our side project "Buckets", a Mint-like finance app.

Resources:

  • https://webhooks.fyi/ 
  • Webhooks google group
  • Railsconf webhooks workshop
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1 year ago
39 minutes

Build and Learn
Summer Fit Check, Cron Schedulers, and Sample Apps

CJ and Colin with the summer updates and fitness check-in. We dive into cron jobs, scheduling those jobs with various tools and services and best practices for when/how to cron.

- Summer updates
- CJ's live peloton class in the studio
- Peloton hotel finder
- Colin gives a RTO recap
- Craftwork update, one year of the Rails codebase
- Realtime project view tracking with action cable (who’s looking at the same doc as me)
- Command Palette using Ninja Keys
- CJ on Enums in Rails and other best practices
- CJ using sidekiq-cron, alternative to whenever. - team already asking for event-based things
- BullMQ mentioned! 
- Colin working on some sample Discord bots and apps

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1 year ago
44 minutes

Build and Learn
Monoliths, GraphQL, Next.js, and DevRel Insights

Colin and CJ explore the ongoing debate between monolithic architectures versus API-driven frontends, touching on the pros and cons of GraphQL and REST. The conversation also covers the intricacies of integrating Next.js with Rails applications. On the personal front, CJ shares his solar pool heater project and Colin prepares for his upcoming relay race, Reno Tahoe Open (RTO). Both hosts reflect on their work anniversaries and discuss the challenges and strategies for effective Developer Relations (DevRel).


  • Monoliths vs. API-driven Frontends: The pros and cons of each approach, including the challenges of maintaining large JSON payloads and ensuring API stability.
  • GraphQL: A critical look at the limitations and complexities of GraphQL, including rate limiting and authorization issues.
  • Next.js and Rails Integration: Strategies for connecting a modern frontend framework with a traditional Rails backend.
  • Personal Projects: CJ's DIY solar pool heater project and the considerations involved in making it efficient and safe.
  • Relay Race Preparation: Colin's training for the Reno Tahoe Odyssey and strategies for managing challenging race conditions.
  • DevRel Strategies: The multifaceted role of Developer Relations and how to balance content creation, community engagement, and internal advocacy.

Resources

  • Why I’m Over GraphQL
  • Stack Recommendations for Connecting a Next.js App
  • Taylor Otwell’s Tweet on Next.js and Laravel
  • Rails Developer Survey 2024
  • Unity Learn Pathways
  • Chris Trag’s LinkedIn Post
  • Remotion: Create Videos Programmatically

Thanks for listening!

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1 year ago
38 minutes

Build and Learn
Last RailsConf, Gameboy Nostalgia, and Platform Risk

This week, CJ and Colin talk about content clickbait, Gameboy nostalgia, and the in-vogue topic of AI/LLMs. CJ dives into some cautionary tales around more API integrations and his steps to avoid platform risk while trying to build software at a growing company. Finally, we bid farewell to RailsConf and discuss the market for Ruby/Rails conferences in 2024 and beyond.

  • Colin's Gameboy nostalgia
    • a dose of retro gaming
    • wifi gameboy cartridge
    • right to repair
    • Retro Future YouTube
    • Acquired FM: The Complete History & Strategy of Nintendo
    • Analogue Pocket 
  • Gen Alpha == Generation AI
  • Wizards of the Coast/D&D and AI
  • Platform Risk when building on APIs
    • More integrations
    • API stability
    • Degrated integrations and delivery
  • The RailsConf 2024 FOMO
    • 2024 will be the penultimate conference
    • 2025 will be the last RailsConf
    • Focus on rubyconf and rubygems
    • Focus on regional conferences
    • Announcement: A New Era for Ruby Central Events
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1 year ago
47 minutes

Build and Learn
Slow Productivity, Write The Docs

In this episode, you'll hear about the Write the Docs conference in Portland, a must-attend for anyone in the tech writing community. CJ and Colin chatted about the unique, community-focused vibe of the event, which was akin to RailsConf or RubyConf, and shared some standout talks. One highlight is Calvin Fung's "Beyond Words: Strategies for Leveling Up Your Tech Writing Career," where he details practical tips for documenting your work and aligning it with your job description to advance your career. They also discuss creative ways to enhance documentation using interactive elements, and offers tips on how to get involved and meet people at conferences.

You'll also hear about "Slow Productivity," Cal Newport's book that has us rethinking how they manage their workloads. We'll discuss the book’s core principles: (1) doing fewer things, (2) working at a natural pace, and (3) obsessing over quality. This leads to a deep dive into managing distractions, the anxiety around being constantly responsive, and the value of deep, focused work. Plus, they share updates on fun projects at Craftwork, like organizing painting crews with a drag-and-drop interface and rebuilding a pricing engine. Finally, they touch on their DIY approach to calendar management and Colin’s adventures in learning Unity for game development. This episode is packed with insights and practical advice for balancing productivity and creativity in the tech world.

Resources

  • Afford Anything podcast
    • https://affordanything.com/495-cal-newport-the-shocking-secret-of-productivity/
  • Write The Docs 
    • https://www.writethedocs.org/conf/portland/2024/speakers/ 
  • Slow Productivity
    • https://amzn.to/3UNP0qT 
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1 year ago
40 minutes

Build and Learn
APIs, Acquisitions, and Event Emitters

This week, we discuss building companies on top of API integrations and recent acquisitions that we've been following closely and dig into some tech we're both using in our daily work. If you feel like you have a lot going on in your world right now, we also tease our upcoming episode on Cal Newport's newest book, Slow Productivity.

- Postman acquires Orbit! Congrats to the team!
- Discussing building companies that are heavy on integrations
- Autocode shut down
- Cloudflare acquires Partykit
- Using Turbo at Craft
- Calendaring and staffing in Craft
- Neverending conference room app
- Slow Productivity by Cal Newport
- Podcast Interview with Cal Newport
- Cal Newport's website
- Events and Event Emitting
- Building and learning on Game Engines

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1 year ago
40 minutes

Build and Learn
GDC, Buckets, and more calendars

In this episode, Colin shares insights from the Game Developers Conference (GDC) on cutting-edge technologies like motion capture and AI-powered game creation. We'll chat candidly about the challenges of achieving work-life balance, recognizing burnout signs, and staying productive amid demanding software projects. Additionally, we'll explore personal finance topics, such as budgeting, emergency funds, and leveraging AI and APIs to optimize spending and financial planning.

Resources

  • frvr.ai https://www.frvr.ai/ 
  • Robin desk booking software https://robinpowered.com/
  • Tailwind UI Calendars https://tailwindui.com/components/application-ui/data-display/calendars 
  • Tailwind Catalyst https://tailwindcss.com/blog/introducing-catalyst 
  • Fullcalendar https://fullcalendar.io/ 
  • GDScream https://twitter.com/search?q=%23GDC2024&src=typeahead_click
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1 year ago
42 minutes

Build and Learn
Digital homesteading, Discord SDKs and more house stuff

In this episode, we talk about that subscription fatigue that is coming for us all. CJ has been working on some homesteading projects, including maple syrup harvesting and an AI birdspotting camera. Colin finally reveals what he's been working on at work: a new SDK!

What we're building
- CJ is homesteading: maple syrup
- Raspberry PI + camera + AI to detect birds in the yard
- Colin finally shares what he's been working on at work: documenting a new Discord SDK!

What we're learning
- Our lessons learned when buying (or not buying) a house

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1 year ago
50 minutes

Build and Learn
Campfire Code Read

In this episode, we'll dive into the codebase of Campfire, a product released by the 37signals (now Basecamp) team. Sharing our initial impressions of the codebase hitting some of these topics:

- The use of helpers and views in this Rails app
- The gems and dependencies
- The decision to use SQLite
- The integration of Hotwire, Stimulus, and front-end tech
- The inclusion of Go code for the Thruster proxy accelerator
- The CSS files and design choices

Resources

  • https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1748378865725329495
  • https://world.hey.com/dhh/finished-software-8ee43637
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1 year ago
36 minutes

Build and Learn
Creating vs Consuming, Consistency & Fitness

This week, Colin and CJ discuss how differently we can feel when we get caught in the mindless doomscrolling traps of consuming content rather than creating things, interacting with other IRL humans, and more!

- Accountability/fitness update
- Quick update on Buckets!
- Consumption vs Creation
- Learning styles
- Badass Course Creators podcast: Raising the bar for online learning with Greg Rog

Next episode, we're digging into the Campfire codebase from 37Signals/Once.

glhf!

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1 year ago
46 minutes

Build and Learn
A podcast about software development and developing ourselves as software engineers. Hosted by CJ Avilla and Colin Loretz.