Guest artist ALINE MOTTA joins PELUMI ODUBANJO to discuss her work via 'Water is a Time Machine' by the artist herself. Originally published in Brazilian Portuguese by Fósforo Editora and Luna Parque Edições in 2022, the text reconfigures memories by using a non-linear perception of time and is part of a multi-layered project including video and performance. It includes personal documents that belong to the artist's mother, her calendars and journals from the 1970s and an account of her death in 2011, which is the central piece and backbone of the work. FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM! @artfictionspodcast BUY US A COFFEE! buymeacoffee.com/artfictionspodcast CONTRIBUTE VIA PATREON! patreon.com/artfictionspodcast EMAIL US DIRECTLY! artfictionspodcast@gmail.com Aline and Pelumi discuss the book's stories around the artist's family members and their lives in Rio de Janeiro at the turn of the 20th century, a time of political turmoil which immediately followed the abolition of slavery. Their conversation encompasses floating, bombs, bridges, tuberculosis, mistranslation, iconography, submerging, chemotherapy, prayer, breathing, stoicism, Catholicism, time machines, interracial marriage, film school, personal archives, double images, direct communication, permanent connections, exchanging cells, changing organs, fraught connections, Congolese traditions, disciplinarian mothers, avoiding sugarcoating, intentional disorientation, umbilical cords, oral histories, heavy heartedness, Yoruba influences, colonial erasure, speculative studies, layers of time, writing in fragments, metaphors of motherhood, constructing new narratives, sleeping in hammocks, foundations of thought, clothes being archives, abolition of slavery, lineage as language, contradictions in relationships, the beginning of the Republic, the way histories are told in (black) families, trying to find reasons for a person's death, the magic of making someone breath under water, using words to make maps, connecting personal history with collective history, envisioning new pasts to free us from old narratives and manifest new futures, plus a recipe to treat bruises.   ALINE MOTTA alinemotta.com @1alinemotta 'A água é uma máquina do tempo' / 'Water is a time machine' '(Outros) Fundamentos' / '(Other) Foundations' 'Pontes sobre Abismos' / 'Bridges over the Abyss'   INSTITUTIONS Bienal de São Paulo 2023 'Choreographies of the Impossible' Buenos Aires, Palermo Buenos Aires, Argentina Centre Pompidou, France MALBA Museo de Arte Lanoamericano de Buenos Aires / Latin American Art Museum of Rietberg Museum, Zurich   ARTISTS + FILM + WRITERS 'BLKNWS: Terms & Conditions' 2025  John Akomfrah 'Vertigo Sea' 2015 Kathleen Collins 'Whatever Happened to Interracial Love?' 2016 Kahlil Joseph 'Losing Ground' 1982Machado de Assis 'Father Against Mother' 1906 Professor Stuart Hall (1932-2014) Rosana Paulino Saidiya Hartman 'Lose Your Mother: A Journey Along the Atlantic Slave Route' 2006 'The Cruz Brothers and Miss Malloy' 1980   PLACES Angola Australia Bahia Bahia Brazil Burma Cachoeira Congo Germany Ghana Guanabara Bay Myanmar Niterói Nigeria Portugal Rio de Janeiro São Paulo  Sierra Leone Torres Strait Islands   TERMS + CULTURAL GROUPS ase/ashe Bantu languages capoeira martial art movement Kimbundu/Mbundu language maracatu dance ori orishas oyinbo/oyibo samba dance Yoruba

Guest artist AYO AKINGBADE joins ELIZABETH FULLERTON to discuss her work via 'In the Eye of the Wild' by Nastassja Martin. Published in 2021, the story follows the aftermath of a French anthropologist's gruesome attack by a bear, while she is living with the Evan people on Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula. FOLLOW US on INSTAGRAM! BUY US A COFFEE! SUPPORT US via PATREON! EMAIL US artfictionspodcast@gmail.com Ayo and Elizabeth's conversation encompasses healing, hostility, joy, architecture, nepotism, romance, underdogs, irony, phobias, animism, neglect, transformation, swimming, analogue, memoir, disfigurement, hopefulness, multifaceted, strong women, self-centring, turning points, arthouse niche, tarot reading, anthropological study, defence mechanisms, shared fearlessness, spiritual guides, questioning society's expectations, power in names, thinking the worse, colonisation of microbes, French new wave and the rewards of positive thinking. AYO AKINGBADE ayoakingbade.com 'Keep Looking' 2024, 14 minute film 'Head of Idoani Girl' 2024, giclee print 'Show Me the World Mister' 2023, publication 'Faluyi' 2022, 14 minute film 'The Fist' 2022, 24 minute film 'Jitterbug' 2022, 24 minute film 'Dear Babylon' 2019, 21 minute film 'Tower XYZ' 2017 3 minute film BOOKS WRITERS Derek Walcott 'The First' Franz Kafka 'The Trial' Fred Moten FILM ARTISTS Agnès Varda Alfred Hitchcock Alice Rohrwacher 'La Chimera' Chantal Akerman 'Family Business' Chris Marker 'Sans Soleil' David Lynch Harun Farocki 'Workers Leaving the Factory' 1995 Mark Dion Jacques Rivette Jean-Luc Godard Jim Jarmusch Julian Schnabel 'The Diving Bell and the Butterfly' Lumière Brothers 'Workers Leaving the Lumière Factory in Lyon' 1895 Roni Horn Stanley Kubrick 'Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb' Steve McQueen 'Caribs' Leap / Western Deep' 2002 Steven Spielberg Quentin Tarantino 'Inglorious Bastards' Werner Herzog 'Grizzly Man' ARCHITECTURE Dora Boatemah Le Corbusier ART INSTITUTIONS Artangel London Chisenhale Gallery Cinereach Institute of Contemporary Art John Hansard Gallery London Film Festival London LCC Spike Island The Baltic Gateshead The Whitworth PERFORMERS Ebenezer Obey 'The Only Condition to Save Nigeria' Josh O'Connor Kate Bush Okwui Okpokwasili Sade Adu ART FICTIONS MUSIC Griffin Knipe  ART FICTIONS LOGO Joanna Quinn 

Guest artist LAUREN GODFREY joins JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her work via 'Heartburn' by Nora Ephron. Published in 1983, it tells a recipe rich story of Rachel Samstat and her husband Mark's marriage breakdown as a result of his affair with Thelma Rice. BUY US A COFFEE! SUPPORT US ON PATREON! Lauren and Jillian's conversation encompasses misogyny, kreploch soup, fat phobia, hot sass, slaying haters, brilliant naivety, acerbic wit, catching glimpses, high drama and potatoes as a signpost for the progress and decline of relationships. Also: losing the plot, aubergine as icon, minutiae of life, mid pregnancy betrayal, magnifying tiny moments, passing on recipes through generations, mapping of time and place through food, flood of linguistic lyricism, the power of choosing clothes, menu choice as an identity market and distilling culture into a witty sentence.   LAUREN GODFREY @laurengodfreystudio laurengodfrey.co.uk 'Pattern Portraits podcast' 'Group Hat' 'What We Wore' GET IN TOUCH with us by EMAIL artfictionspodcast@gmail.com ARTISTS CURATORS Adam Boyd Anni Albers Anthea Hamilton Bethan Laura Wood Bruce MacLean Capability Brown Cinzia Ruggeri Dr George Vasey 'Harrow March 31st 2005...' George Richardson Gunta Stöltzl Holly Graham JB Blunk Jennie Moncur Luke Burton Marcus Coates 'Nature Calendar' Maria Zahle Martin Parr Mary Godfrey Nadia Hebson Patrick Heron Rosalind Nashashibi Rosie Gibbens Tacita Dean 'Kodak 2006' BOOKS AUTHORS WRITERS AA Gill Asako Yuzuki 'Butter' Bob Woodwood Carl Bernstein Carmen Callil David Batchelor David Sedaris JD Salinger 'The Catcher in the Rye' 'Franny and Zooey' John Updike Lena Dunham Lennie Goodings 'Virago founder Carmen Callil was a powerhouse who changed the publishing world for the better' The Guardian 18 Oct 2022 Michelle Zauner of Japanese Breakfast 'Crying in H Mart' Miranda July 'All Fours' Nora Ephron 'Forget the Hamsters' The Guardian 6 Nov 2004 Phillip Roth Raven Smith 'Men' 'Trivial Pursuits' Salena Barry Tank Magazine 'Pancake Day' Vanessa Murrell Virago Books Modern Classics ART INSTITUTIONS Bauhaus Coal Drops Yard De La Warr Pavillion Design Museum Gasworks Goldsmiths CCA Harewood House Trust ICA Kingsgate Project Space Krupa Gallery The Memphis Group New Contemporaries Vital Arts at Newham Hospital FILM Anijam animation initiative Cher 'Ghostbusters' 'Julie and Julia' Meg Ryan Meryl Streep 'Sex and the City' Silkwood Stanley Tucci 'Taste: My Life Through Food' When Harry Met Sally Woody Allen CHEFS Elizabeth David Julia Childs ORGANISATIONS Taylors of Harrogate Selfridges NOTED PEOPLE James Callaghan Margaret Thatcher Margaret Ann Jay, Baroness Jay of Paddington Maria Montessori Melanie Klein CREDITS Griffin Knipe - music Joanna Quinn of Beryl Productions - logo  

Guest artist MARCUS COATES joins JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss his work via 'Welsh Incident' by Robert Graves. Published in 1929, this short poem is a retelling of an overhead conversation about "un-Welsh" creatures emerging from the sea. BUY US A COFFEE! SUPPORT US ON PATREON! Marcus and Jillian's conversation encompasses longing, empathy, humour, grasping, death, wolves, psychosis, parenting, migration, birds, badgers, unknowability, parenting, morality, predators, blindfolding, eagles, immigration and a willingness to be uplifted. Also: feeling inadequate, religious conformity, instinctive behaviours, war experiences, emptying yourself, the mundane, sounding pathetic, false destinations, exploitation of care, limitations of language, modes of relating, suspension of disbelief, de-centring of humanity, failure of the imagination, the ripple effect of artworks, plaster on a broken leg, stark realities of survival, travelling in the mind, proliferation of domestic cats, and the human need to buy in, to belong, to believe. MARCUS COATES @marcus_coates_ 'Conference of the Birds' katemacgarry.com/artworks/9111-marcus-coates-conference-for-the-birds-2019/ 'The Trip' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEAuRv0xv8M 'The Directors' artangel.org.uk/project/the-directors/ whatsgoingon.org.uk 'Sunbird for Palestine' bookworks.org.uk/publishing/shop/palestine-sunbird/ 'Dawn Chorous' www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF1uihdcZmY 'The Last of its Kind' workplace.art/exhibitions/the-last-of-its-kind 'Nature Calendar' katemacgarry.com/artworks/10446-marcus-coates-nature-calendar-2022/ 'Finfolk' COLLABORATORS Helen Macdonald 'H is for Hawk' Jeff Samples ARTISTS & PERFORMERS Brian Catling Fiona Curran 'Your Sweetest Empire is to Please' Helen Chadwick Marylin Munroe Richard Ayodeji Ikhide Richard Burton Thomas Bewick AUTHORS & BOOKS Anna Burns 'The Milkman' Flann O'Brien 'The Third Policeman' Robert Graves 'Welsh Incident' GALLERIES & ART ORGS Artangel Freize Art Fair Kate MacGarry Royal Academy The Serpentine FILM 'The Boy and the Heron' Hayao Miyazake for Studio Ghibli RESEARCH ARTICLE theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/12/why-birdsong-matters-more-than-you-think       .

Guest artist HELEN JOHNSON joins JILLIAN KNIPE for this final episode of Series 5, to discuss her work via 'The Birds' by Tarjei Vesaas. Published originally in 1957, then by Penguin Random House in 2019, this short novel describes the relationship between Hege and her younger, mentally challenged brother Mattis. With a sense of non-judgemental simplicity and acute sensitivity, we join the siblings as they negotiate everyday life in partial isolation and on the edge of something happening. HELEN and Jillian's conversation encompasses lightning, tenderness, siblings, gullibility, hiding, tapestry, holding, frustration, anguish, excavation, metaphors, equality, masking, knitting needles, dream worlds, shattered trees, portals, body punctures, art therapy, white supremacy, honest thieves, cartography lines, blinding flies, Oedipus complex, intergenerational privilege, psychotic structure, architectural blueprints, birthing shit, monetising colonialisation, not being othered, the weight of the work, creating a space for healing, writing being like a drawing, and a lot of Lacanian psychotherapy - a real learning experience !   HELEN JOHNSON helenjohnson.net 'Opening' Pilar Corrias Savile Row til 6 Jan 2024 'Agency' Pilar Corrias 2019 'Warm Ties' ICA 2017   ARTISTS  Aleksandra Waliszewska Aliza Nisenbaum  Bridget Riley Christina Quarles Denzil Forrester Fred Williams Georgiana Houghton Joy Labinjo Judy Watson Katie Pratt Laura Owens Maja Ruznic Marcus Coates 'The Directors' Artangel Melanie Jackson Nicole Eisenman Njideka Akunyili Crosby  Paola Balla Rosie Mullan Shanti Panchal Yhonnie Scarce AUTHORS + BOOKS Darian Leader 'The New Black: Mourning, Melancholia and Depression' 2008 Jackie Wullschläger 'Monet: The Resless Vision' 2023 Jennifer Higgie 'The Other Side: A Journey into Women, Art and the Spirit World' 2023 Karl Ove Knausgaard National Gallery of Australia 'Know My Name: Australian Women Artists Since 1900' 2021 Part 1 2022 Part 2 CURATORS + ART HISTORIANS Helen Molesworth 'Dialogues' David Zwirner Sarah McCrory THEORISTS + ANALYSTS + ACTIVISTS Anna Freud Donald Winnicott Jacques Lacan Joy Shaverien Melanie Klein Meriki Onus Sigmund Freud Shirley Sharon-Zisser 'What Would a Lacanian Art Therapy Look Like' Walter Benjamin Wilfred Bion GALLERIES + ART INSTITUTIONS Glasgow International ICA Institute of Contemporary Art Kunstverein in Hamburg Kingsgate Project Space Latrobe University MCA NSW Museum of Contemporary Art Australia NGV National Gallery of Victoria Pilar Corrias SeMA Seoul Museum of Art Tate Galleries    

Guest artist ELEONORA AGOSTINI joins PELUMI ODUBANJO to discuss her art practice via 'Boxes', a short story featured in 'Elephant and Other Stories' 1998 Collins Harvill. Written by Raymond Carver and originally published in The New Yorker, the story explores connections, disillusion, powerlessness, worry and loss within a mother and son relationship, as well as the distance between listening and hearing.  ELEONORA and Pelumi's discussion encompasses immortality, microcosmos, waitressing, belonging, mothers, self representation, the grid, family frictions, bitter endings, creepy observation, archival images, being deeply uncomfortable, hiding in bushes, multiple layers of meaning, the complicated teenage years, difficulty bringing closure to relationships, connections between pictures and performance, and not wanting to be the dictator of the image.   @eleonoraagostini eleonoraagostini.com Foam Talent 2024-2025 Bloomberg New Contemporaries, 2019 'A Study of Waitressing' 'A Blurry Aftertaste' 2018 'Laying with Strangers' 'Welcome Sir' 'How to Stand in Front of the Camera' 'How to Stand in Front of the Client' 'Notes for my Clients' 'The Steps' @pelumi.odubanjo ARTISTS Olukemi Lijadu Ragnar Kjartansson WRITERS John Cheever Raymond Carver GALLERIES & INSTITUTIONS Barbican Borough Road Gallery 'With Monochrome Eyes' 2020 Palais de Tokyo Royal College  

Guest artist MELANIE JACKSON joins artist JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her art practice via 'Corey Fah Does Social Mobility' by Isabel Waidner. Published in 2023 by Hamish Hamilton, part of Penguin Random House, the novel explores binaries, boundaries and borders, freeing us to imagine other ways of being within the context of award winning social mobility, cyclical history, and watching reality TV.  MELANIE and Jillian's discussion encompasses shame, humility, apology, gratitude, wormholes, reconfigured animations, cultural disruption, synthetic biology, persistent amnesia, complicated truths, brutalist architecture, unsustained caretaking, industrial metaphysics, winged penises, synthetic biology, false blaming, clashing ideologies, idealistic social housing, nano scale engineering, vulvas on horseback, ridiculing the middle class, colonialisation of language, pig fat in ice cream, what art can do as an experience, and the way histories and future technologies bounce off one another.          MELANIE JACKSON @melanie.jjj melaniejackson.net 'Rouge Flambé'    'Deeper in the Pyramid | Share of Throat' 'Spekyng Rybawdy' 'The Urpflanze' ARTISTS + CURATORS + ACADEMICS Esther Leslie Ezra Lloyd Jackson Kirsten Cooke Nicole Eisenman 'Bambi Gregor' 1993 Olukemi Lijadu Pelumi Odubanjo BOOKS + MAGAZINES + WRITERS Brian Massumi 'What Animals Teach Us About Politics' 2014 Charles Darwin 'On the Origin of the Species' 1859 Eileen Myles 'Afterglow: A Dog Memoir' 2017 Franz Kafka 'The Metamorphosis' 1915 'Frieze' magazine Goethe 'Die Urplanze' ('The Metamorphosis of Plants') 1829 Isabel Waidner ' Sterling Karat Gold' 2021 Jo Orton John Lahr 'Prick Up Your Ears' 1978 (film 2007) EXHIBITIONS + INSTITUTIONS Aspex Gallery, Portsmouth Banner Repeater, London Block 336, London 'Spekyng Rybawdy' 2022 Grand Union, Birmingham Matt's Gallery, London 'Mattflix' Max Mara Prize Jerwood Drawing Prize San Mei Gallery, London 'Rouge Flambè' 2023 Wellcome Collection, London 'Living with Buildings' 2018-2019 Wellcome Collection, London 'Milk' 2023 Whitechapel Gallery, London FILM + TELEVISION 'The Nasty Girl' 1990 'Top Boy' 2011-2023                                                            

Guest writer and filmmaker JULIET JACQUES joins artist and writer JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her creative practice via 'Variations' 2021 by the one and only Juliet herself. Published in 2021 by Influx Press, this book of short stories portrays the mixed, messy and moving lives of transexual women transexual men, non binary, gender queer, cross dressers and inverts, around London, Manchester, Liverpool, Blackpool, Brighton, Belfast, Cardiff and Norwich.   Juliet and Jillian focus on 'Standards of Care' and also discuss humour, poverty, divorce, testosterone, rainbow capitalism, fake tits, ink blot tests, electric shock therapy, alternative Miss World, punk rock gender play, friendship in the face of prejudice, making objects that cannot be sold, itchy balls of wool for breasts, fresh meat advertising slogan, interest in post communist countries, the importance of questioning how people pay the rent and the disappointment of greater understanding not necessarily bringing about greater tolerance.   JULIET JACQUES julietjacques.com 'Monaco' Toothgrinder Press 2023 'Variations' Influx Press 2021 'Trans: A Memoir' Verso Books 2015 'Transgender Journey' 2010-2012 The Guardian 'Suite 212' 2017-2021 Resonance FM 'Revivification: Art, Activism and Politics in Ukraine' 2018   ARTISTS Boris Mikilov Cecilia Sjoholm David Goymer Deborah Tchoudjinoff Garth Gatrix Hatty Buchanan Iain Hales Laura Moreton-Griffiths   WRITERS Susan Stryker 'Transgender History' 2008   MUSIC Genesis Joy Division Man Enough to be A Woman (Jayne County) New York Dolls NME magazine Sex Pistols Siouxsie and the Banshees Siouxsie Sioux  The Fall The Roxy Wayne County and The Electric Chairs   FILM + TV Adam Curtis 'Can't Get You Out of my Head' series 2021 BBC Bill Grundy 'Today' 1968-1977 Derek Jarman 'Jubilee' 1978 Hattie Jacques 'Carry On' series 1958-1992 Oksana Kazmina, camera and editor Josh Appignanesi 'Female Human Animal' 2018   EDUCATION + INSTITUTIONS ICA London Somerset House Studios The Royal College   POLITICS + MOVEMENTS Black Lives Matter Femen 2008 Ukraine founded by Anna Hutsol, Alexandra Shevchenko, Oksana Shachko Gay Liberation Front Margaret Thatcher for Section 28 Revolution of Dignity 18-23 Feb 2014 Ukraine ReSew - Kyiv based feminist sewing cooperative Viktor Yanukovych

Guest artist ANNA CLEGG joins curator and critic VANESSA MURRELL to discuss her multi-disciplinary art practice via 'My Loose Thread' by Denis Cooper. Published in 2002 by Canongate Books, this claustrophobic novel circulates around teenage Larry who is wrestling with the point of his own existence and explores teen depression, moral vacuity and the confusion of love.   Please be warned that in following the content of Cooper's text, the programme contains references to violence and suicide.   Anna and Vanessa's discussion also encompasses psychedelics, obsession, faux Nazis, feeling violated, animal stickers, unwavering sensitivity, stupid imagery, internal rhyming, Santa Claus, swimming through mud, looping back on oneself, eyes being gummed shut, the value of confusion, dark and disturbing worlds, begrudging awareness of the reader, not being able to fathom the logic of decision making, writing through an idea rather than creating a story, and the steampunk weaponisation of ice skates.   Please! *rate and review *support production through patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST *follow us on instagram @artfictionspodcast *contact us on artfictionspodcast@gmail.com   Recorded at Cubitt Community Radio by Andi Armishah Music GRIFFIN KNIPE Production consultant LORI E ALAN Logo JOANNA QUINN of BERYL PRODUCTIONS   ANNA CLEGG relevant-confluences.com 'Half Truths' curated by Vanessa Murrell til 30 November 2023 at Unit 2 Cassia Building 97-101 Hackney Road Shoreditch London E2 8ET   ARTISTS David Musgrave 'Lambda' 2022 James Turrell John Baldassari 'Wrong' 1967 Joseph Cornell   BOOKS + MAGAZINES + WRITERS Artforum magazine Barry Pierce 'Another Magazine' Beatrice Forster Brett Eastern Ellis Denis Cooper 'The George Miles Cycle' series 1989-2000 Denis Cooper 'I Wished' 2021 Elliot Jeffries Frieze magazine George Bataille 'Story of the Eye' 1928 Hervé Guibert 'Ghost Image' 2014 Interview magazine Kathy Acker Katja Kemnitz 'Too Much Love' on Tumblr Nour El Saleh Paul Auster Roland Barthes 'An Introduction to the Structural Analysis of Narrative', 1975 Spin magazine Tao Lin 'Leave Society' 2021 Tom of Finland Victory Burgin 'Remembered Film' 2004 Vivian Sobchack William Burroughs   MUSICIANS + FILM Brooke Shields Claire Denis, director and screenwriter Larry Clark 'Bully' 2001 NLE Chopper Terence Stamp Xaviersobased   GALLERIES + ORGS Chelsea School of Art Greengrassi Nicoletti Contemporary Split Gallery  

Guest artist OLUKEMI LIJADU joins curator and PHD researcher PELUMI ODUBANJO  to discuss her multi-media art practice through the prism of 'The Stranger' (aka 'The Outsider' aka 'The Foreigner') by Nobel Prize winning writer Albert Camus. Published in 1942, the novella tells of an indifferent French settler who, soon after his mother's funeral, commits the senseless murder of an unnamed Arab man on a Algerian beach. Heralded in the west as a classic text which explores the absurd, their exchange questions the mono-critique which underlies this status, through their personal and uniquely individual experiences. For Olukemi, this is being Nigerian born and raised, where she was educated in the British system, going on to study philosophy at Stanford, USA. While Pelumi is British with Nigerian heritage.   Olukemi and Pelumi's discussion also encompasses psychoanalysis, philosophy, elusive racism, European critique, American critique, contradictory affection, self knowledge, segregated Algeria, compilation of memory, disregard for women, disregard for black people, anonymous Arab characters, ancestors speaking in the first person, the presence of absent women, who can make claims of objectivity, who can make claims of the absurd, women fading from the novel as male desire for them fades, the assumption that one must divorce one's positionality from how they engage with work for their opinion to be valid, the black woman as photographer and therefore narrator, as well as the radicalised and colonised body.    Please support the production of this podcast via https://www.patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST Contact Art Fictions via artfictionspodcast@gmail.com Follow Instagram @artfictionspodcast OLUKEMI LIJADU olukemilijadu.com insta @kemlij contact@kemkemstudio.com 'Guardian Angel' commissioned by ICA 2022 ARTISTS + EXHIBITIONS  Atong Atem Kahlil Joseph 'BLKNWS' 2018 ongoing Theaster Gates Wura-Natasha Ogunji 'A World in Common: Contemporary African Photography' at Tate Modern til 14 Jan 2024 'Genetic Automata' by David Blandy and Larry Achiampong at Wellcome Collection til 11 Feb 2024 BOOKS + AUTHORS + FILM Frantz Fanon Fred Moten 'Black and Blur' 2017 Harper Lee 'To Kill a Mockingbird' 1960 James Baldwin 'The Fire Next Time' 1963 Jane Austen 'Pride and Prejudice' 1813 Lola Olufemi Paul Gilroy 'The Black Atlantic' 1993 Saidiya Hartman 'Lose Your Mother' 2006 Saint Omer 2022 director Alice Diop Timothy Ogene 'Seesaw' 2021 Toni Morrison MUSICIANS Aretha Franklin Bob Marley Christopher Williams Frankie Knuckles Lee Scratch Perry Rokia Traoré Whitney Houston GALLERIES + INSTITUTIONS Sanford University Institute of Contemporary Art Tate Modern V.O Curations      

Guest artist RORY PILGRIM joins author and critic ELIZABETH FULLERTON to discuss his musically inspired, community-based art practice through the prism of 'The Bell' by Irish British writer and philosopher, Dame Jean Iris Murdoch. Published in 1958, this funny and sad novel explores religion, human frailty and who has the right to a voice, set within the confines of a lay community. Please be warned that in following the content of Murdoch's text, the programme contains references to sexual abuse and to suicide. Rory and Elizabeth's discussion also encompasses unheard voices, sunken voices, historical voices, awoken voices, shutting down voices, empathy, songwriting, drawing, poetry, kissing, dancing, stories, transformation, spiritual striving, moral dilemma, social practice, closet homosexuality, transformative moments, nuns getting naked and writing off people who are too complicated. They also delve into the toxic politics of speech, wrestling with faith, music as a first language, pathways of self destruction, the stress of being part of communities, suppression leading to the harm of others, the desire and courage to learn and to listen, experiences shaped by nuance and interconnections, and ways in which direct democracy can be built on consensus and intergenerational dialogue. And together, they question: how can you be completely yourself within a group, how can we imagine new forms of law through storytelling, and how can art play a civic role in transforming lives and developing networks of care.   Please support the production of this podcast via patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST. Contact Art Fictions via artfictionspodcast@gmail.com or instagram @artfictionspodcast.   RORY PILGRIM rorypilgrim.com insta @rainbowsofgorse 'Turner Prize' at Towner Eastbourne 28 Sep 2023-14 Apr 2024 'Rafts' 2020 The Migros Museum of Contemporary Art in Zurich, EVA International 31 Aug – 29 Oct 2023 Limerick city of Ireland, 49 Nord 6 Est Frac Lorraine in Metz of France 'The Undercurrent' 2019 'The Resounding Bell' 2018 ARTISTS Abba 'The Visitors' 1981 Barbara Hepworth Evelyn Taocheng Wang Helen Cammock Ilona Sagar Jane Jeffcot Mel Brimfield  Ragnar Kjartansson 'The Visitors' 2012 Robyn Haddon  Sands Murray-Wassink Sonia Boyce Susie Green BOOKS + AUTHORS Lucy Lippard 'Mapping the Terrain: New Genre in Public Art' 1994 Suzi Gablik 'The Re-enchantment of Art' 1991 Toni Morrison 'Beloved' 1987 Toni Morrison 'Song of Solomon' 1977 Toni Morrison 'The Bluest Eye' 1970 GALLERIES + MUSEUMS + ORGANISATIONS Auto Italia Chisenhale Gallery Green Shoes Arts Interfaith Sanctuary, Boise, Idaho Serpentine Gallery 'Radio Ballads' 2022 Site Gallery      

Guest artist ANNA BARHAM joins artist JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her art practice via 'Companion Piece' by Ali Smith. Published in 2023 by Penguin Books, the novel explores language, meaning, relationships and contemporary politics in what may be seen as a way of bringing a form of conclusion to Smith's urgently written then quickly published, seasonal texts: Summer, Autumn, Winter, Spring. ANNA and Jillian's discussion encompasses disfluencies, purity, transcription software, unfolding meanings, easy solutions, social spaces, silent conversations, showing off, undermining binary, performing language and dog eyebrows. As well as the body in the digital, pushing language around, stories being questions, and the pain of a pain within another body. Please support the production of this podcast via patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST.  And you're welcome to contact the team directly on artfictionspodcast@gmail.com and follow what's happening on Instagram @artfictionspodcast.  ANNA BARHAM annabarham.net insta @banana_harm apria.artez.nl/zyx 'Magenta Emerald Lapis' 2009 The Tanks in Tate Modern til 10 Sep 2023 'Stilled Images' Tube Gallery in Palma Mallorca til 6 Aug 2023 ARTISTS Laura Owens Lindsay Seers Moyra Davey Nicola Bealing Sophie Ruigrok William Blake WRITERS + BOOKS Ali Smith 'The Accidental' 2005 Ali Smith 'How to be Both' 2014 Anna Barham 'Return to Leptis Magna' 2010 Anna Burns 'Milkman' 2018 voiced by Brid Brennan Bridget Crone Cherry Smith Claudia Rankin Elizabeth Fullerton Gertrude Stein Gustave Flaubert 'The Temptation of Saint Anthony' 1874 Nick Cave Jennifer Higgie Russell Hoban 'Ridley Walker' 1980 Judith Butler Lisa Robertson 'The Baudelaire Fractal' 2020 Lisa Robertson 'Thresholds: A Prosody of Citizenship' 2018 Lisa Roberton 'Cinema of the Present' 2014 Plato 'Cratylus' 360BCE GALLERIES + ORGANISATIONS Banner Repeater bookshop.org Chelsea College Flat Time House Large Glass Gallery 401 Contemporary    

Guest artist MIKHAIL KARIKIS joins poet and art critic CHERRY SMYTH to discuss his art practice via 'Human Acts' by Han Kang, 2016 published by Granta Books. Set in 1980 South Korea, the novel tells the gruelling story of a violently suppressed student uprising and the inevitable fallout from the original trauma. MIKHAIL and CHERRY's discussion encompasses trust, courage, coalminers, eco-activism, protest and pearl-divers. As well as chance encounters, female superheroes, community collaboration, violent suppression, active listening, self censorship, activist imaginary, heteronormative language, acoustics of resistance, Greek working class, repercussions of trauma, our relationship to the earth, sounds to engender change, giving over artistic power, speaking on behalf of the dead, sound as a sculptural material, a tsunami of screaming, plus being out of tune with ourselves, our social context and the environment. Please support the production of this podcast via patreon.com/artfictionspodcast. And you're welcome to contact the team directly on artfictionspodcast@gmail.com and follow what's happening on Instagram @artfictionspodcast.   MIKHAIL KARIKIS Greek-British artist based in London & Lisbon, working in video, sound and performance. mikhailkarikis.com @mikhailkarikis 'Because We Are Together' National Museum of Contemporary Art Athens 28 Jan - 8 Oct 2023 'The Weather Orchestra' 2023 'Ferocious Love' 2020 Tate Liverpool as recommended by Laura Cumming in 'The Guardian' 'I Hear You' 2019 'No Ordinary Protest' 2018 'The Chalk Factory' 2017 Aarhus Denmark, commissioned by European Capital of Culture 'Sounds from Beneath' 2011-2012   CHERRY SMYTH 'If the River is Hidden' co-authored with Craig Jordan-Baker 'Famished'   ARTISTS + MUSEUMS + PRACTITIONERS Ceri Hand HOME Manchester Mathilda Bevan Tate Liverpool The Granary Gallery Thelma Hubert Gallery The Showroom Whitechapel Gallery   BOOKS + AUTHORS + WRITERS Alison Branagan 'The Essential Guide to Business for Artists and Designers' 2011 Hartmut Rosa 'Resonance: A Sociology of Our Relationship to the World' 2021

Guest artist ROSIE GIBBENS joins VANESSA MURRELL of DATEAGLE to discuss her art practice via 'Life Ceremony' by Sayaka Murata, 2022 published by Granta Books. This off-kilter collection of short stories brings a grotesque whimsy to fables of cultural norms, including society rituals that develop when the human species is endangered .    ROSIE and VANESSA's discussion encompasses ritual, nothingness, meatarianism, shit and vomit . As well as ribcage tables, mocking Freud, recycling flesh, consuming oneself, anatomical Venus's, muscle suits, pointless products, human hair jumpers, an alien point of view, dried stomach lampshades, humans resembling cockroaches, eating Spongebob figurines, and to borrow Rosie's words, it's all kinda dark and kinda beautiful .    ROSIE GIBBENS rosiegibbens.com @rosiegibbens   ARTISTS + CURATORS  Becca Pall-Fry Helen Chadwick Marcel Joseph Mike Stubbs   BOOKS + WRITERS Albert Camus Aldous Huxley 'Brave New World' 1932 Angela Carter Barbara Creed 'The Monstrous Feminine' 1993 Julia Kristeva Megan Milks 'Slug and Other Stories' 2021 Perfume Steven King 'Carrie' 1974   FILM 'Alien' 1979 'Evil Dead II' 1987 'Ex Machina' 2015 'Hellraiser' franchise 'RAW' 2017 'The Human Centipede' 2009, 2011, 2015   GALLERIES + EXHIBITIONS GIANT 'Body Poetics' 2023 Museum of the Home Pictorum Gallery The Bomb Factory      

Guest artist mentor CERI HAND joins artist and writer JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her creative practice via 'The Blazing World' 2014 by Siri Hustvedt and published by Hodder & Stoughton. Longlisted for the Booker Prize and winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Fiction, it tells tales of the life of artist Harriet Burden. Presented across snapshots of journal entries and testimonies by her family, friends and colleagues, the accounts are compiled and edited by academic researcher I.V. Hess after Harriet's death. Furious with the cultural misogyny that's left her all but ignored by the New York art world, Harriet hides her identity behind three male fronts in a series of exhibitions. While their huge success goes to prove her point, when she finally unmasks herself, not everyone believes her.   CERI HAND cerihand.com @cerihand artistmentor.co.uk ARTISTS Christo Vladimirov Javacheff 1935–2020 Eva Hesse 1936-1970 Evlyne Laurin, Creative Legacy Steward and Fine Art Appraiser Jane Hayes Greenwood Sir Horace Shango Ové CBE Yayoi Kusama Zak Ové WRITERS + BOOKS Cherry Smyth Dan Sullivan with Dr Benjamin Hardy '10X is Easier than 2X: How World-Class Entrepreneurs Achieve More by Doing Less' 2023 John Milton 'Paradise Lost' 1667 John Steinbeck 'Of Mice and Men' 1937 Margaret Lucas Cavendish 1623-1673 Rachel Cusk INSTITUTIONS + GALLERIES Castor Gallery ICA Somerset House 'Get Up Stand Up Now: Generations of Black Creative Pioneers' 2019 The Women's Art Library 'Make' magazine

Guest artist SUSAN SCHUPPLI joins art critic and author ELIZABETH FULLERTON to discuss her art practice via 'The Second Body' 2017 by Daisy Hildyard, published by Fitzcarraldo Books. Listed by the 'White Review' on their Books of the Year 2018, the essay presents the dissolving boundaries between all life on earth, with an updated dualism between the animal bodies in which we eat, breathe, and sleep and the virtual bodies of our global connections and environmental impacts. Susan and Elizabeth discuss dissolving boundaries, plausible deniability, beached whales, deep time, gathering poems, chattering glaciers, foetus ownership, critical proximity, living on ice, images creating barriers, Princess Diana's wedding dress, bodies eating distance, and changing paradigms. Plus, they question where environmental knowledge resides and which modes of representation might inspire action.   SUSAN SCHUPPLI susanschuppli.com @susan_schuppli 'Cruel Radiance' Backlight Festival, Finland  - June 2023 Art & Industry Triennial, Dunkerque France - June 2023 'Re/Sisters', Barbican London 5 Oct 2023 - 14 Jan 2024 LABoral Centro de Arte y Creación Industrial, Spain    'Material Witness' 'Can the Sun Lie'  'Cold Rights' 'Freezing Deaths' 'Weaponising Water' 'Icebox Detentions' 'Listening to the Ice' 2023   EVENTS   'Earthrise' is a photograph of Earth and some of the Moon 's surface that was taken from lunar orbit by astronaut William Anders on 24 December 24 1968 during the Apollo 8 mission.   Ultrasound was first used for clinical purposes in mid 1950s but not used widely in British and American hospitals till 1970s for foetus imaging. In April 1965, 'Life' put a photograph called Foetus 18 Weeks on its cover which caused a sensation. The issue became the fastest-selling copy in the magazine's entire history. The Keeling Curve is a graph of the accumulation of carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere based on continuous measurements taken at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii from 1958 to the present day.  BOOKS + THINKERS Christina Elizabeth Sharpe, American academic, Professor of English Literature and Black Studies at York University, Toronto, Canada Daisy Hildyard 'The Footprint's Story: Princess Diana's Jewels and Carbon' Orion magazine, Winter Issue 30 Nov 2022 Dr Adrian Lahoud, Dean of the School of Architecture, Royal College of Art Joseph Conrad Silvia Federici 'Caliban and the Witch: : Women, the Body and Primitive Accumulation' 2004 Sven Oskar Lindqvist 'Exterminate all the Brutes: One Man's Odyssey into the Heart of Darkness and the Origins of European Genocide' 2007 Sheila Watt-Cloutier 'The Right to Be Cold: One Woman's Story of Protecting Her Culture, the Arctic and the Whole Planet' 2015 Ursula K Le Guin 'The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction' 1986 FILM + DIRECTORS Chantal Akerman 'Nostalgia for the Light' Patricio Guzmán, 2010 Stanley Kubrick '2001: A Space Odyssey' 1968 ORGANISATIONS Bergin Kunsthalle, Norway Berlin Biennale Forensic Architecture Goldsmiths University Sculpture Center, New York Toronto Biennial of Art

Guest artist SOPHIE RUIGROK joins VANESSA MURRELL of DATEAGLE to discuss her art practice via 'Nobody Belongs Here More Than You' 2007 by Miranda July, published by Canongate Books. Winner of the Frank O'Connor International Short Story Award, it conveys 16 stories of lonely characters desperately trying to make connections. Their means vary from quirky to the absurd and mostly only result in the disillusion of coinciding in the same space.  Sophie and Vanessa talk about escape, clouds, tears, Buddhism, role playing, manifesting reality, body leaking, collapsing flesh, wearing wigs, cold showers, hypersensitive characters, contemporary spiritualism, movie-set extras, expressing the psyche, masks as mediators, disconnected lonely people, swimming on the carpet, beautifully weird realisations about humanity, the loss of fantasy, appropriating from art history, being allergic to the world, true signs of falsehood, and Sophie using her fingers to make images of fingers before dipping her toe into oil paint. SUPPORT this podcast via patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST SOPHIE RUIGROK @sophie.ruigrok 'In Three Acts' Huxley Parlour 27 April - 27 May 2023 'Stilled Images' Tube Gallery, Mallorca opens 10 June 2023 ARTISTS Alfred Stieglitz Andrea Mantegna Francis Bacon Gian Lorenzo Bellini 'The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa' 1652 Hans Memling, hellscapes Jan and Hubert Van Eck 'The Ghent Alterpiece' Belgium 1432 Katarina Caserman René Magritte GALLERIES Marlborough 'Love is the Devil: Studies after Francis Bacon' 2022 Tabula Rasa 'It's Better to be Cats Than be Loved' 2022  The Sunday Painter 'Today I Feel Relevant and Alive' 2022 WRITERS Carl Jung Susan Stewart 'On Longing: Narratives of the Miniature, the Gigantic, the Souvenir, the Collection' 1984 FILMS 'Interstellar' 2014 'The Truman Show' 1998 'Thelma and Louise' 1991  

Guest artist NICOLA BEALING joins JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her work via 'Pastoralia' 2020 by George Saunders. Published Riverhead Books, the book contains six short stories each presenting snapshots of contemporary American existence delivered in a deadpan, razorsharp tone, and enshrouded with dark humour. We talk about dark humour, executions, internal panic, male strippers, 18th century working class fabrics, Goya being God, cruelty, Stasi prison, cave people, hazardous shitholes, bum cracks, lungs filling with blood, penis simulators, pictures popping up behind your eyes, boring objects, unaffordable medical care, apprenticeships, being trapped, funny voices, hot sexy breeding age, slogans of false hope, bags of human waste, hiding what's underneath and the tiny details that make up a life.   PLEASE SUPPORT this podcast via https://patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST   NICOLA BEALING nicolabealing.co.uk @nicola_bealing 'The Borough' at Matt's Gallery London 15 March - 16 April 2023 ARTISTS Alice Browne Alice Neel Benjamin Britten Erich Heckel Ernst Ludwig Kirchner Francisco Goya George Grosz Hieronymus Bosch Montagu Slater Otto Dix Pieter Bruegel the Elder Sidney Nolan BOOKS + AUTHORS Aldous Huxley 'Brave New World' 1932 Broadside Ballads E M Forster Federico Garcia Lorca 'Blood Wedding' 1932 'Face' magazine George Crabbe 'Peter Grimes' Letter XXII of 'The Borough' 1810 George Saunders 'A Swim in a Pond in the Rain: In Which Four Russians Give a Master Class on Writing, Reading, and Life' 2021 GALLERIES + MUSEUMS + GALLERISTS British Museum Foundling Museum Museum of Cornish Life (Helston)  Royal Cornwall Museum (Truro) Salisbury Art Centre Tim Dixon    

Guest artist FLORENCE PEAKE joins ELIZABETH FULLERTON to discuss her multi-faceted, performance-led art practice via 'Stone Butch Blues' 1993 by Leslie Feinberg. It tells the story of life as a butch lesbian in 1970s, working class America and is particularly unique due to the writer gaining full rights to the text, making it fully accessible online and for free. Florence and Elizabeth talk about hysterical clay, collapsing paintings, mark-making without sight, rigid heteronormative conventions, the patriarchy's rule which brings a perpetual fear of violence, butch lesbians in the 70s, drag queens, sex workers and femmes, extractions of earthly matter and energy, the dance floor as a space for belonging and expression, splattering the audience with clay, tenderness and care, finding comfort in the face of shame, and encountering ourselves imaginatively in relationship to objective reality. Please support this podcast via patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST FLORENCE PEAKE florencepeake.com insta florence_peake Richard Saltoun Gallery 2023 16 April - 2 July 'Factual Actual Ensemble' at Southwark Park Galleries then touring to Fruitmarket Gallery and Towner Gallery 2023 11 Feb - 7 May 'Earth Spells: Witches of the Anthropocene' at RAM Museum, Exter with Caroline Achaintre, Emma Hart, Kris Lemsalu, Mercedes Mühleisen, Grace Ndiritu, Florence Peake, Kiki Smith, Lucy Stein 2023 18 Feb - 6 May 'Body Poetics' at Giant, Bournemouth with Penny Slinger, Helen Chadwick, Florence Peake, Louise Bourgeois, Judy Chicago, Charlotte Edey, Enam Gbewonyo, Rosie Gibbens, Guerrilla Girls, Evan Ifekoya, Ad Minoliti, Senga Nengudi, Niki De Saint Phalle, Carolee Schneemann, Tai Shani, Kiki Smith, Rae-Yen Song, Holly Stevenson curated by Marcelle Joseph and Bella Pelly-Fry 2021 Factual Actual at National Gallery 2021-22 Crude Care for British Art Show at Aberdeen Art Gallery then touring UK 2019 Apparition Apparition at Venice Biennale 2018 RITE: on this pliant body we slip our WOW! at De La Warr Pavillion 2015 Voicings for Block Universe at Modern Art Oxford, Somerset House ARTISTS + PERFORMERS Cameron Armitage Carolee Schneeman 'Meat Joy' Donald Judd Emma Hart Eve Stainton Fabian Peake Igor Sravinsky 'The Rite of Spring' Gabi Agis Grayson Duitu Jo Moran Jordan McKenzie Kate Bush Lee Bowie Lindsey Kemp Mercedes Grower Michael Clarke 'I am a Curious Orange' Rosemary Butcher Siobhan Davis Studios Tai Shani The Fall Yvonne Rainer BOOKS Juliet Jacques 'Variations' 2021 Carmen Maria Machado 'In the Dreamhouse' 2019 Octavia Butler

Guest author JENNIFER HIGGIE joins JILLIAN KNIPE to discuss her art writing practice via 'Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead' by Olga Tokarczuk. It's a compelling murder mystery set in a small mountainside village in Poland. As Winter caretaker of neighbouring properties, Janina spends her spare time translating the poems of William Blake into Polish with her friend and ex-student Dizzy.  We talk about how women found agency within the rise of spiritualism, telephoning the dead, art history as a work in progress, tigers of wrath, the golden age of female detective fiction, hanging out in Greece, bridge builders, astrology, precognitive dreams, human cruelty, climate crisis, bad writers, ghosts, eccentricities that make complete sense, taking your brain with all of its complications wherever you go, and Jennifer's passion for histories of exclusion, particularly those of women. SUPPORT this podcast via https://www.patreon.com/ARTFICTIONSPODCAST JENNIFER HIGGIE jenniferhiggie.com instagram jennifer_higgie BOOKS + AUTHORS + PUBLISHERS Agatha Christie Annie Besant 'Thought Forms' 1906 Brian Dillon 'Affinities' 2023 Dorothy L Sayers Fitzcarraldo Editions Georgio Vasari 'The Lives of the Most Excellent Painters, Sculptors, and Architects' 1550 Griselda Pollock Hetty Judah Jennifer Higgie 'The Other Side: A Journey into Women, Art and the Spirit World' 2023  Jennifer Higgie 'The Mirror and the Palette' 2021 Jennifer Higgie 'Bedlam' 2006 J M Coetzee 'The Childhood of Jesus' 2013 Katie Hessel Linda Nochlin Madame Blavatsky Margary Allingham Michael Bracewell 'Unfinished Business' 2023 Orion Publishing Group Virginia Woolf William Blake ARTISTS  Dean Kenning Donna Huddleston 'Brighter' 2021 Frances Richardson Georgiana Houghton Helen Johnson Hildagard of Bingen Hilma af Klint Homer 'Odyssey' 1614 Kazimir Malovich Katie Pratt Margo Neale Mary Wigman Paul Klee Richard Dadd 'The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke' 1855-64 Sarah Lucas Tracy Emin Wassily Kandinsky 'Composition V' 1911 GALLERIES + MUSEUMS + CURATORS Cabaret Voltaire, Zürich 'Dada' Camden Arts Centre 'Making and Unmaking' 2016 Duo Olowu Hugh Lane, Dublin Margo Neale, First Nations Curator, Museum of Australia, Canberra Modernity, Stockholm MUMA, Monash University, Melbourne Simon Lee, London Tate Britain Tate Modern 'A Year in Art: Australia 1992' The Box, Plymouth 'Songlines: Tracking the Seven Sisters'  OTHER BBC3 'The Essay' Jennifer Higgie 'Artists and the Spirit World' Emanuel Swedenborg Frieze magazine Jennifer Higgie scriptwriter 'I Really Hate My Job' 2007 Lucracia Dalt Marie Curie Mark Tanner Award Thomas Edison