This is the second part of the interview Apolline and Lina did with Costanza Hepp and Oscar Paganin, who own Fattoria Paluch in Santa Giustina. This time, they talk about the challenges of implementing a sustainability project in Italy: how was Oscar and Costanza's project received at the beginning? what are the possible business models for permaculture? what influence do Italian traditions have on the success of such projects?