Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Philip Thompson to discuss the history of espionage and the psychological motivations behind becoming an international spy. Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Coming Up 1:09 - Introductions 3:48 - The M.I.C.E. Framework: Understanding Spy Motivations 7:21 - The Background of Spies: Who Becomes a Spy? 10:05 - Psychological Factors in Espionage 13:15 - Ideology vs. Money: The Dual Motivations of Spies 24:56 -Case Studies: The Rosenbergs and Their Impact 28:42 - Case Studies: George Blake and the Consequence of Compromise 32:23 - The Complexity of Coercion in Espionage 42:46 - The Role of Women in Espionage History 47:49 - Ego as a Motivating Factor in Spying 52:00 - Case Studies: Edward Snowden, Noble Convictions or Ego? 57:36 - Evolution of Espionage Frameworks 1:01:20 -The Intersection of Fiction and Reality in Spy Culture 1:04:38 - Understanding M.I.C.E. in Personal Life 01:06:21 - Historical Sites to Visit EPISODE LINKS: Philip Thompson YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@PhilipThompson Project Slammer - https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP87-00812R000200070011-7.pdf Aldrich Ames - https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/aldrich-ames John Walker - https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Walker-American-spy The Cambridge Spies - https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/spies_cambridge.shtml Anthony Blunt - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Anthony-Blunt J. Edgar Hoover - https://www.britannica.com/biography/J-Edgar-Hoover Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/11/russian-spies-britain-oleg-gordievsky Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Julius-Rosenberg-and-Ethel-Rosenberg David Greenglass - https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/profile/david-greenglass/ George Blake - https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Blake-British-diplomat-and-Soviet-spy 2C4H Lavender Scare - https://youtu.be/PjXYDJW5LF8?si=MUqlIZOke0-17yiq Alan Turing - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alan-Turing Mata Hari - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mata-Hari-Dutch-dancer-and-spy Special Operations Executive (SOE) Women Spies - https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-Female-Spies-Of-SOE/ Virginia Hall - https://beta.nationalarchives.gov.uk/explore-the-collection/stories/virginia-hall/ Robert Hanssen - https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/robert-hanssen Edward Snowden - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edward-Snowden RASCLS - https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/studies-in-intelligence/volume-57-no-1/an-alternative-framework-for-agent-recruitment-from-mice-to-rascls/ Jonathan Pollard - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jonathan-Pollard International Spy Museum - https://www.spymuseum.org/ Burlington Bunker - https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/burlington-bunker PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices