Dr. Lynn Price Robbins and Isaac S. Loftus are joined by Dr. Patrick Spero to discuss an obscure French scientist who became a spy in the newly formed United States. Who was Andres Michaux? And how did Thomas Jefferson participate in the conspiracy that history forgot? Please support this podcast by checking out our patreon: www.patreon.com/primarysourcemedia TRANSCRIPT: coming soon  OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introductions 4:08 - The Document That Inspired The Book 7:45 - Who was André Michaux 13:16 - André Michaux In America 16:28- André Michaux’s Most Daring Expedition 18:41- André Michaux’s Transforming Places Around The World 19:45 - André Michaux’s Setting His Sights West 21:23 - What Was The Pitching Process Like? 26:17 - A Bad Start 28:15 - The Policy Towards France and His Impact 31:54 - Did Anyone Else Know What He was Doing? 34:21 - Did Jefferson Know and What Happens Next? 37:56 - Are They Successful? 43:26 - How Does This Saga End?  47:17 - The Modern Day Conspiracy 48:46 - Did This Book Change Your Perspective on the Era? 51:09 - Where You Can Find Patrick  EPISODE LINKS: Dr. Patrick Spero – http://www.patrickspero.com Scientist Turned Spy: André Michaux, Thomas Jefferson, and the Conspiracy of 1793 - https://www.upress.virginia.edu/title/10032/ American Philosophical Society - https://www.amphilsoc.org/user/35 Andres Michaux Subscription List - https://www.amphilsoc.org/item-detail/michaux-expedition-subscription-list-0 Lewis and Clark Expedition - https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/lewis-clark Michaux Botanical Garden, South Carolina - http://www.tipton-haynes.org/research/history/andre-michaux/ Michaux Botanical Garden, New Jersey - https://graphicarts.princeton.edu/2021/02/03/north-american-sylva-and-the-lost-garden-of-new-jersey/ North American journeys - https://www.michaux.org/journey.htm Michaux in Canada - https://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/michaux_andre_5E.html John Bartram - https://www.britannica.com/topic/American-Philosophical-Society William Bartram - https://encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/william-bartram/ Benjamin Smith Barton - https://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/penn-people/biography/benjamin-smith-barton/ David Rittenhouse - https://www.britannica.com/biography/David-Rittenhouse Caspar Wistar - https://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/penn-people/biography/caspar-wistar/ Benjamin Rush - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Benjamin-Rush Edmond Genet - https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edmond-Charles-Genet Citizen Genet Affair - https://www.britannica.com/event/Citizen-Genet-Affair French Revolution - https://www.britannica.com/event/French-Revolution Monticello - https://www.monticello.org PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: 2c4hpod.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/2-complicated-4-history/id1664183536 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3svQpZfxhVQnYJMESpp842?si=514780ada34d4aab Full episodes playlist:   https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX2x56DEw1y7EYWxfufgfSR951RrdsXet&si=TuDcpAjaeQx-vjkH SOCIAL: - Twitter: https://twitter.com/2c4h_Podcast - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2c4hPodcast - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/2c4h_podcast To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices