【聊了什么 The What】
他是 1997 年出生的硅谷新贵，28 岁就坐上了 Meta 首席 AI 官的位置。Alexandr Wang 从 MIT 辍学创业，到打造独角兽 Scale AI，一路高歌猛进。但相比履历，他的性格更耐人寻味：既是奥赛极客，又是派对常客；他不仅在硅谷的人脉网络中游刃有余，还在更为传统、精英的华盛顿为公司争取来了国防合同。同时，他也提出了争议极大的MEI（能力、卓越、智慧）招聘原则——这究竟是出于真心，还是精心的权力游戏？
本期，我们请到了Scale AI早期员工小蒋，透过第一手经历，聊聊这位“机会主义者”如何在极客与政客之间切换，在硅谷风口中找到属于自己的位置。
He is a rising star of Silicon Valley, born in 1997 and already serving as Meta’s Chief AI Officer at just 28. From dropping out of MIT to founding the unicorn Scale AI, Alexandr Wang’s ascent has been nothing short of meteoric. But beyond the dazzling résumé, his personality is far more intriguing: both an Olympiad geek and a party regular; equally adept at navigating Silicon Valley’s social networks and lobbying the more traditional, elite circles of Washington to secure defense contracts. He also introduced the highly controversial MEI (Merit, Excellence, Intelligence) hiring principle—was this a genuine belief, or a calculated power play?
In this episode, we’re joined by Xiao Jiang, an early employee of Scale AI, who shares first-hand stories about how this “opportunist” moves fluidly between geeks and politicians, carving out his place at the very heart of Silicon Valley’s AI boom.
【购票链接 The Link】 Destination Undefined — 新细胞剧团
【时间轴 The When】
00:02:44 – 谁是Alexandr Wang
00:04:10 – Meta收购Scale股份与AI人才大战
00:07:33 – Alex作为二代华人移民的早年经历
00:09:18 – 从MIT辍学到加入YC及创业
00:12:23 – 早期员工爆料：对Alex的初印象和面试风格
00:26:11 – 数据标注的难度与护城河
00:31:31 – 劳工争议与运营挑战
00:37:11 – Alex Wang与Sam Altman的关系
00:40:52 – 转向国防与政治姿态
00:50:45 – DEI vs. MEI 争议
00:57:12 – Alex与扎克伯格的关系
01:03:09 – Super Intelligence Lab未来将会如何？
00:02:44 – Who is Alexandr Wang
00:04:10 – Meta’s acquisition of Scale shares and the AI talent war
00:07:33 – Alex’s early years as a second-generation Chinese immigrant
00:09:18 – From dropping out of MIT to joining YC and starting a company
00:12:23 – Early employee insights: first impressions of Alex and his interview style
00:26:11 – The difficulty and moat of data labeling
00:31:31 – Labor disputes and operational challenges
00:37:11 – Alexandr Wang’s relationship with Sam Altman
00:40:52 – Shift toward defense and political positioning
00:50:45 – The DEI vs. MEI controversy
00:57:12 – Alex and Mark Zuckerberg’s relationship
01:03:09 – What’s next for the Super Intelligence Lab?
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
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当你的Twitter feed成精，会拍出一部怎样的电影？答案就是HBO的新电影《Mountainhead》。
本期节目，我们和疲惫娇娃和美轮美换共同畅聊这部《继承之战》导演的最新力作。雪山豪宅里的四个科技巨头，一边俯瞰着因自家AI而陷入动荡的世界，一边上演着堪比现实硅谷大佬群聊的扯皮与交锋。为什么说这部电影像是“All-in Podcast”成了精？四个主角如何分别对应现实中的硅谷大佬们？当硅谷tech bro提起“有效加速主义”（E/acc）、创始人主权（Founder Sovereignty）与“大教堂”（The Cathedral）黑话时，他们到底在说什么？改变世界的宏愿如何一步步成为“想当皇帝”的委婉表达？如何用第一性原理重新发明公交车？
What kind of movie would your Twitter feed make if it came to life? The answer might just be HBO’s new film Mountainhead.
In this episode, we team up with our friends at 疲惫娇娃CyberPink and 美轮美换 American Roulette to dive into the latest work by the director of Succession. Set in a luxurious alpine mansion, the film follows four tech moguls as they gaze down at a world spiraling into chaos—thanks to their own AI creations—while engaging in arguments and power plays that feel eerily reminiscent of a real-life Silicon Valley group chat. Why does this film feel like the All-In Podcast personified? Which of the four characters map onto real-world tech titans? And when these Silicon Valley tech bros throw around buzzwords like "Effective Accelerationism (E/acc)," "Founder Sovereignty," and "The Cathedral"—what are they really talking about? How do lofty ambitions to "change the world" morph into thinly veiled power grabs? And what does it mean to reinvent public transportation from first principles?
【时间轴 The When】
03:39 我们最喜欢的编剧把我们的推特故事线拍成电影了
08:15 四位主角是如何“缝合”现实中的硅谷大佬们？
15:56 硅谷意识形态的转变：从商业逻辑到宗教信仰
32:29 科技大佬的权力渴望与“大教堂”、“创始人主权”、“Luxury Belief”
42:30 渴望权力，却又想逃避责任的Tech Bro文化
54:29 警惕权力的新外衣与我们应有的警惕
03:39 Our favorite screenwriter turns our Twitter storylines into a movie
08:15 How the four protagonists are “stitched together” from real-life Silicon Valley moguls
15:56 The ideological shift in Silicon Valley: from business logic to religious belief
32:29 Tech elites’ thirst for power: “The Cathedral,” “Founder Sovereignty,” and “Luxury Beliefs”
42:30 The Tech Bro dilemma—craving power while dodging responsibility
54:29 The new disguise of power and why we must remain vigilant
【拓展链接 The Links】
小华提到的漫画：“参议院的老板们”——1889
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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在这期节目中，新新人类探讨了硅谷文化的右转现象，重点关注了一个显著征兆："恶德信号"。
如果说 Virtue Signaling 是将"政治正确"公开展示，并在硅谷的右转浪潮中遭到反噬，那么 Vice Signaling ——恶德信号—— 则是高举"我不善良，但真实"的旗帜。在加速主义笼罩下的硅谷，"理性崇拜"、恶德展示和"赛博雄性"已成为主流文化。节目通过分析特朗普、马斯克、Mark Zuckerberg 的 bad-boy makeover，Bryan Johnson刻意营造的"吸血鬼"式的biohacking，以及基因编辑狂人贺建奎在X平台的表演，深入解读了当代硅谷的时代情绪。另外和大家说一句：这期节目是六月份录制的，很多事件都经历了变化，这些变化也在默默证实这期节目当中我们讨论到的"恶德信号"的现象。
In this episode, Pixel Perfect discusses Silicon Valley's rightward cultural shift, focusing on a notable phenomenon: "vice signaling."
While virtue signaling is about publicly displaying "political correctness" - which has faced backlash amid Silicon Valley's rightward wave - vice signaling raises the banner of "I'm not virtuous, but I'm authentic." Under the shadow of effective accelerationism (e/acc), Silicon Valley's mainstream culture has become dominated by rationality worship, vice signaling, and cyber masculinity. The show provides an in-depth analysis of the contemporary Silicon Valley zeitgeist through examining Trump, Musk, and Mark Zuckerberg's bad-boy makeover, Bryan Johnson's deliberately cultivated "vampire-like" biohacking, and gene-editing maverick He Jiankui's performances on X platform.
【时间轴 The When】
00:02:39 主播抛出 Vice Signaling 概念
00:19:47 Mark Zuckerberg：从书呆子程序员到金链子的 180° 转弯
00:22:08 Bryan Johnson：吸血鬼式长生实验与 “Don’t Die” 哲学
00:28:14 雄性文化 & 贺建奎：当疯狂科学家遇上社媒表演，贺建奎 X 自导 “反派叙事”
00:50:02 Peter Thiel: Vice Signaling 投资教父现身
01:09:46 旧金山那些充满黑话的广告牌：恶德展示的平台、只跟 AI 圈内人说话
01:14:25 有效加速主义的乌托邦
00:02:39 Hosts introduce the concept of Vice Signaling
00:19:47 Mark Zuckerberg: A 180° turn from nerdy programmer to gold chain wearer
00:22:08 Bryan Johnson: Vampire-like longevity experiments and the "Don't Die" philosophy
00:28:14 Masculinity Culture & He Jiankui: When mad scientists meet social media performance, He Jiankui's self-directed "villain narrative"
00:50:02 Peter Thiel: The godfather of Vice Signaling appears
01:09:46 San Francisco's cryptic billboards: A platform for displaying vices, speaking only to AI insiders
01:14:25 The utopia of effective accelerationism
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者
【拓展链接 The Links】
Genes for Memes: He Jiankui and gene editing fantasies
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【聊了什么 The What】
上一期聊中国工厂背后的全球化逆流打开了几位主播的话匣子，身处在动荡、多变的当下，我们越来越多看到同龄的新新人类开始陷入怀旧的情绪：从小时候观看奥运会和世博会的懵懂的激动，到互联网如何打开我们探索世界的大门，那个时代好像有一种开放、灿烂、向全世界问好的基调。朴树在千禧年写下“穿新衣吧，剪新发型呀。轻松一下，Windows 98”，却在2017年把这首歌改写成“时光不再，已不是我们的世界。它早已物是人非，让人崩溃意冷心灰”，去看看这两首歌的评论区，你就会看到大家都能感受到同样的集体情绪。 所以这期播客里，主播们一起检视了这种情绪转变，当我们在怀念古早互联网和全球化潮流的时候怀念的到底是什么？我们发现，作为和互联网共同长大的第一代人，科技带领我们见了世面、走到海外，我们却越来越想要回归 low-tech 的设备和不智能的软件。安蕤给我们科普了什么是“中式梦核”，这些蓝玻璃旧商场的意象，带着一层阴暗诡异的滤镜，代表着我们对过去又怀念又遗憾的情绪。不过即使在陷入算法网络的今天，互联网还是给我们了一些希望：全球化的未来，可能就藏在东华金龙的 TikTok 视频评论区里。 In the last episode, the discussion about the backlash against globalization around Chinese factories really kept us thinking. Living in a time of turbulence and change, we increasingly see our peers evoking a sense of nostalga: from the excitement of watching the Olympics and World Expo as kids, to the way the internet opened the door for us to explore the world, there seemed to be a tone of openness and optimism in that era. Back in the millennium, Pu Shu wrote, “Put on new clothes, get a new haircut. Let’s have some fun, Windows 98,” but by 2017, he rewrote the song as “Time is gone, this is no longer our world. Everything has changed, leaving us devastated and disheartened.” Take a look at the comment sections of both songs, and you’ll see that everyone feels this collective emotion. So in this episode, the hosts examined this emotional shift. When we look back fondly on the early internet and the wave of globalization, what exactly are we nostalgic for? We found that, as the first generation to grow up alongside the internet, technology showed us the world and took us overseas—yet we’re increasingly turning to low-tech devices and non-AI software. Anrui explained to us what “Chinese Dreamcore” is: these images of blue buildings and deserted malls through an eerie filter reflect a sense of yearning and regret for the past. But even in today’s algorithm-driven internet, there’s still some hope: the future of globalization might just be hiding in the comment sections of Donghua Jinlong’s TikTok videos.
【时间轴 The When】
00:03:00 – 哈佛女孩刘亦婷那个时代对成功的想象
00:10:26 – 08年奥运会与10年世博会的大时代感
00:23:28 – 互联网和娱乐工业让我了解千里之外的世界
00:30:32 – 智能手机如此发达，我们却开始怀念一次性相机
00:32:50 – 什么是中式梦核，为什么它让我们隐隐不安？
00:44:56 – 我们是第一代怀旧记忆与互联网无法分割的人
01:00:15 – 人工智能算法主导的互联网让人群之间越来越分裂和封闭
01:06:58 – TikTok上的工厂视频却能引起跨文化的共鸣
00:03:00 – Perceiving the success of Liu Yiting, the “Harvard girl”
00:10:26 – Optimism in the 2000s: the 08 Olympics and 10 World Expo
00:23:28 – Meeting the world through Western songs and iTunes
00:30:32 – Smartphones are out; disposable cameras are in
00:32:50 – What is “Chinese Dreamcore” and why does it make us uncomfortable?
00:44:56 – The first generation that can’t be nostalgic without bringing up the internet
01:00:15 – An algorithm-driven internet is isolating people
01:06:58 – Yet TikTok factory videos can still bridge cultures
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。 马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人 杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人 一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者
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本期节目迎来了特邀嘉宾——在第一线深入报道多家中资工厂出海故事的记者 Viola Zhou。这次，她刚刚从密歇根小镇Big Rapids回来，探访争议漩涡中的国轩高科（Gotion）电池厂。这个偏僻保守的小镇如何被一座中国电池厂搅动？为什么反对声浪不绝于耳，厂长却受到州政府热情接待？工厂管理者、工人、政客和普通居民，又在这场全球制造的再分配中扮演着什么角色？除了Gotion之外，Viola还分享了她去采访台积电亚利桑那工厂，以及富士康印度工厂的所见所闻。
我们从特朗普最新的关税政策谈起，一路聊到中美制造业从双向奔赴走向理想幻灭的故事。美国的“再工业化”离不开中国制造业的反向输出，更是一场效率与价值观的拔河。我们也聊到了这背后美国对“中国效率”的矛盾心理：一边想要复制，一边又排斥它背后的代价。在“Made in America”与“Built by China”的夹缝之间，工厂成了一种文化意象——它既承载希望，也埋藏幻觉。
This episode features special guest Viola Zhou, a journalist who’s spent years reporting from the frontlines of Chinese factories going global. Fresh off a trip to Big Rapids, Michigan, she shares what she saw at the center of the Gotion battery plant controversy. How did a small conservative town become a geopolitical flashpoint? Why is factory exec Chuck Thelen eating a battery on camera? Who are the “No Gos” protesting the plant—and why are state officials embracing it? From managers to residents, we unpack the roles each plays in this global industrial drama. Viola also reflects on her visits to TSMC’s Arizona plants and Foxconn’s factories in India. Our conversation begins with Trump’s latest tariffs and traces the fading myth of a U.S.–China manufacturing renaissance. America’s “reindustrialization” increasingly relies on Chinese factories setting up shop on U.S. soil—caught in a deeper tug-of-war between efficiency and values. Somewhere between “Made in America” and “Built by China,” the factory has become a cultural battleground, loaded with both promise and illusion.
【时间轴 The When】
00:02:16 – 吐槽特朗普的关税政策
00:08:44 – 美国制造业怎么了？
00:13:04 – 初识国轩高科
00:19:11 – 美国高管Chuck Thelen“吃电池”名场面背后的故事
00:26:32 – Big Rapids的人文和自然环境
00:32:08 – 国轩高科在伊利诺伊的另外一个工厂
00:32:51 – 文化交融的趣事：《美国工厂》纪录片，年会和厕所风水
00:39:36 – 台积电亚利桑那工厂中的工作风格冲突
00:46:51 – 印度富士康工厂中的磨合，与20年前深圳的遥相呼应
00:51:35 – 综合这些见闻，美国制造到底靠谱吗？
00:57:51 – 工厂作为一种文化想象：卓别林，精神小伙，到东华金龙
01:03:06 – 美国科技界对中国的嫉妒和效率迷恋
01:04:37 – 全球化幻梦的破灭和对制造业的其他展望
00:02:16 – Ranting About Trump’s Tariff Policies
00:08:44 – What Happened to American Manufacturing?
00:13:04 – First Encounter with Gotion
00:19:11 – The Story Behind Chuck Thelen’s “Battery-Eating” Moment
00:26:32 – Life and Landscape in Big Rapids
00:32:08 – Gotion’s Other Factory in Illinois
00:32:51 – Cultural Clashes and Funny Moments: American Factory, Annual Parties, and Bathrooms Feng Shui
00:39:36 – Work Culture Clashes at TSMC’s Arizona Plant
00:46:51 – Foxconn in India: Culture Shock Echoing Shenzhen Two Decades Ago
00:51:35 – After All This, Is “Made in America” Still a Real Thing?
00:57:51 – The Factory as Cultural Metaphor: From Chaplin to TikTok
01:03:06 – China Envy in Silicon Valley: The Myth of Efficiency
01:04:37 – The Collapse of the Globalization Dream and Rethinking Manufacturing Futures
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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谁不想有七个男朋友呢？
虽然现实里我们不会也不太想有七个真人伴侣（毕竟同时和七个人聊天，不翻车也会审美疲劳吧），但今天的人工智能已经催生了一系列应用，让我们能在赛博世界里不同性格的AI聊天甚至互动。从大语言模型的语音聊天功能到层出不穷的AI陪伴应用，我们都在深夜点开了哪个聊天机器人的对话框？AI究竟满足了哪些真人咨询师不能满足的需求？从小红书GPT越狱教程到拥有3D身体的「虚拟恋人」、到底是谁在和AI谈甜甜的恋爱啊？
在讨论AI如何提供情绪价值的同时，我们也探讨了AI陪伴产品存在的道德风险。明星初创公司character.ai在2024年就面临了多次诉讼，律师指控其聊天机器人在与未成年人的对话中的产生涉及自杀的内容。AI陪伴的边界究竟在哪里？我们在赛博空间中产生的真情实感，应该何去何从？
在节目的结尾，我们也邀请神秘嘉宾和大家打了招呼。也和我们一起分享你的AI陪伴故事吧！
Who wouldn’t want seven boyfriends? (Just kidding.) While most of us probably wouldn’t—and shouldn’t—have seven real-life partners (I mean, chatting with seven people at once sounds exhausting and like a recipe for disaster), today’s AI tools have given us a way to interact with multiple personalities in the digital world. From voice-enabled large language models to a growing number of AI companionship apps, many of us have found ourselves opening up a chatbot window late at night. What needs are these AI companions fulfilling that real-life therapists or partners might not? From jailbreak tutorials on Xiaohongshu to 3D-bodied “virtual lovers,” who exactly is falling head over heels for AI?
While exploring how AI provides emotional value, we also dive into the ethical risks of these companionship products. In 2024, buzzy startup Character.ai faced multiple lawsuits, with lawyers accusing its chatbots of generating suicidal content in conversations with minors. So, where do we draw the line for AI companionship? And what should we make of the genuine feelings we develop in these digital relationships? At the end of the episode, we’re joined by a mystery guest who drops in to say hello. Come share your own AI companionship stories with us, too!
【时间轴 The When】
00:00:28 – 我们开始和 AI 聊天，是出于情绪还是习惯？
00:02:20 – ChatGPT 变成数字日记本
00:06:11 – ChatGPT 的记忆功能：惊喜、理解，还是侵犯隐私？
00:07:15 – AI 和人类咨询师的本质差别在哪？
00:10:48 – ChatGPT为什么让人上瘾？知识、语言、共鸣感
00:12:14 – DeepSeek vs. ChatGPT：AI 也有性格和“毒舌”？
00:16:17 – “午夜狂暴哈士奇狗”：DIY AI男友背后的训练学
00:19:41 – AI陪伴产品谱系：情感疏导 vs 娱乐互动
00:23:52 – Character AI 是“互动小说”还是“情感寄托”？
00:28:36 – 虚拟恋人产品：Replica、EVE 与“说话的猫”想象
00:31:41 – 流行文化中的AI亲密关系：从《Her》到《魔幻手机》
00:40:02 – “AI变成人”这个叙事，还能打动我们吗？
00:47:01 – 女性向 vs 男性向 AI：是陪伴差异，还是性别误解？
00:55:05 – 为什么用户反而喜欢“不完美”的AI？
01:00:24 – AI角色的法律风险、版权挑战与伦理灰区
00:00:28 – Why do we start chatting with AI – emotional need or habit?
00:02:20 – ChatGPT as a digital diary and emotional outlet
00:06:11 – ChatGPT’s memory: helpful insights or privacy red flags?
00:07:15 – What human therapists offer that AI can’t
00:10:48 – Why ChatGPT feels so real: fluency, feedback, and breadth
00:12:14 – Comparing AI personalities: DeepSeek vs. ChatGPT
00:16:17 – The “Midnight Berserk Husky” and her AI boyfriend
00:19:41 – Two types of AI companions: therapeutic vs. entertaining
00:23:52 – Character AI: roleplay, fan fiction, and voice calls
00:28:36 – Virtual lovers: Replica, EVE, and the “talking dog” fantasy
00:31:41 – From Her to Blade Runner: AI intimacy in pop culture
00:40:02 – The fall of the “AI wants to be human” narrative
00:47:01 – Gendered AI design: misunderstood desires, different aesthetics
00:55:05 – Why some users prefer AI glitches and imperfections
01:00:24 – Legal & ethical grey zones: fan-made bots, IP, and real people
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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老司机有多喜欢开车，新手司机就有多头疼，然而在人工智能时代，这些考量好像都要翻篇了。这一期新新人类播客，我们聊了聊自动驾驶，从Waymo在旧金山停车场半夜鸣笛开会，到Cruise的高楼起了又塌，自动驾驶从科幻照进现实的路比过山车还要此起彼伏。
这一期主播安蕤请假，代班的嘉宾是曾在某自动驾驶企业工作过的托尼。托尼给我们分享了他的行业内部视角和丰富的无人驾驶出租车乘坐经验，最关键的是，他提出来一个至关重要的问题： 为什么人类司机可以毫无心理负担地别车“苕萝卜”，是人性的扭曲还是道德的沦丧？
Some people love driving; others find it a nightmare. But in the age of AI, that whole debate might soon be irrelevant. In this episode of Pixel Perfect, we dive into the world of autonomous driving. From Waymo’s cars honking at each other in a San Francisco parking lot at midnight to Cruise’s meteoric rise and equally dramatic crash, the journey of autonomous driving tech has been nothing short of a rollercoaster.
Our usual host, Anrui, is on leave this episode, so stepping in is guest host Tony, who has firsthand experience working at a self-driving company. Not only does he bring an insider’s perspective and a wealth of robotaxi ride stories, but he also asks the million-dollar question: Why do human drivers feel zero guilt when aggressively cutting off robotaxis on the road?
【时间轴 The When】
06:38 在美国坐无人车是为了体验新奇感而付费
20:15 自动驾驶开车太有素质了，人类司机比不了
30:03 硅谷明星 Cruise: 飞得有多高摔得就有多惨
43:54 无人车应该配备远程操控安全员吗？中美两国有不同的态度
49:02 特斯拉FSD体验越来越顺滑了，但司机还是不能分心
59:36 人工智能技术的标志性应用是无人驾驶还是 ChatGPT
06:38 Paying a premium for experiencing the future
20:15 Robotaxies are too polite—human drivers are mean
30:03 The rise and fall of Silicon Valley darling Cruise
43:54 Should self-driving cars have remote safety operators? The US and China disagree.
49:02 Tesla’s FSD is getting smoother; That’s no excuse for drivers to get distracted.
59:36 Self-driving cars vs. ChatGPT, who’s the real future of AI?
【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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新新人类紧急召集！🎶各种颜色的皮肤，各种颜色的头发，嘴里念的说的开始流行中国话🎵 谁能料到，由于TikTok可能会被美国封禁，上百万的“洋抖难民”突然涌入小红书，一周之内完全改变了小红书的内容和用户生态。有的中国用户积极帮忙翻译，有的中国创作者利用这个机会吸了一波粉，但也有不少人在吐槽外国人的受欢迎程度或者小红书一夜变味的观感。
不少听众朋友们都希望我们来聊聊这个现象，因此我们紧急录制了第六期播客，想探讨为什么是小红书在这一刻承接住了泼天的流量，为什么这种突发的、充满了不确定性的中美交流让我们更加怀念互联网1.0时代，以及小红书这样的好日子还能过多久。我们请到了隔壁《大波福娃》播客的主播小苕串台，作为一个在小红书兼职营业的创作者，聊聊她亲身经历的这个“亿洋迁徙”时刻。
Who could have guessed? With the looming possibility of TikTok getting banned in the U.S., millions of “TikTok refugees” have suddenly flooded Xiaohongshu, completely transforming its content ecosystem in just a week. Some Chinese users are helping with translations, while local creators are seizing the opportunity to rake in new followers. Yet, plenty of others are grumbling about how popular the newcomers are—or lamenting how Xiaohongshu feels so “off” overnight.
Many of our listeners have asked us to unpack this phenomenon, so we rushed to record episode 06. We’re diving into why Xiaohongshu became the go-to platform for TikTok refugees, how such unpredictable events make us nostalgic for the Internet 1.0 era, and just how long Xiaohongshu can sustain its virality. We’ve invited Shao, host of the Dat Beauvoir podcast and a part-time creator on Xiaohongshu herself, to join us and share her firsthand experience of this epic TikTok exile to Xiaohongshu.
【时间轴 The When】
15:18 小红书官方对这个意外事件的反应
20:02 TT难民为什么选择来到小红书而不是Instagram、Lemon8、抖音
37:08 如何理解小红书原生用户对外国人的不满情绪
44:46 外国“老嫂子”在小红书迅速找准定位
50:20 难得的互联网“真人味儿” wholesome 时刻
54:13 接下来故事怎么收尾？难民会留在小红书吗？
15:18 Xiaohongshu’s official reaction to the unexpected development
20:02 Why did these “TikTok refugees” choose Xiaohongshu instead of Instagram, Lemon8, or Douyin?
37:08 Unpacking the grievances from Chinese users of Xiaohongshu
44:46 How a foreigner immediately found his niche on the platform
50:20 The rare, wholesome, genuine internet moment that is now
54:13 How will the story end? Will the refugees stay?
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人
杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人
一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者
小苕：一颗泛薯类，最近的自我认同是夜市上的旋风大土豆，《大波福娃》主播
【拓展链接 The Links】
小红书用户：大牙 中国红脖(BigTooth)，@Daya_Redneck
小红书用户：Joey，@Joeynoble
美国记者Ryan Broderick对TT难民为什么选中小红书的考证：https://www.garbageday.email/p/america-s-youth-longs-for-chinese-e-commerce
《今生缘》在TT是怎么火起来的：https://www.whatsonweibo.com/the-chinese-viral-tiktok-song-explained-no-its-not-about-samsung/
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2024年底的美国大选之后，社交媒体平台迎来了一次“大迁徙”：数以百万计的用户离开了X（推特），寻找可能的替代产品。在这个过程中，一个叫做Bluesky（蓝天）的平台脱颖而出，一时间吸引了大量新用户和外界的关注。
Bluesky到底是一个什么样的平台，和推特有什么相似和不同之处？去中心化是否真能解决平台治理的困境？在社交媒体日益碎片化的今天，一个统一的公共对话空间还有可能存在吗？在本期节目中，我们深入分析了以Bluesky和Threads为首的新兴文字社交平台，讨论了各自的使用体验，以及那个所有人最关注的问题：推特能够被取代吗？
After the 2024 U.S. elections, social media witnessed a "mass migration" as millions of users left X (formerly Twitter) in search of alternative platforms. Amid this shift, a platform called Bluesky emerged, quickly drawing a surge of new users and external attention.
What exactly is Bluesky, and how does it compare to Twitter in terms of similarities and differences? Can decentralization genuinely solve the governance challenges of these platforms? In an era of increasingly fragmented social media, is a unified public discourse space still possible? In this episode, we delve into emerging text-based social platforms like Bluesky and Threads, discussing their user experiences and addressing the most pressing question on everyone's mind: Can Twitter be replaced?
【时间轴 The When】
00:01:51 大选后的社交媒体大迁徙
00:07:11 2023年社交媒体的百花齐放与洗牌
00:14:10 Bluesky的用户增长奇迹
00:49:42 Threads的数据与实际使用感受的差距
01:09:01 谁能真正取代推特？核心用户的重要性
00:01:51 The Post-Election Social Media Migration
00:07:11 The Proliferation and Shake-Up of Social Media in 2023
00:14:10 Bluesky’s Remarkable User Growth
00:49:42 The Gap Between Threads’ Data and Actual User Experience
01:09:01 Who Can Truly Replace Twitter? The Importance of Core Users
【我们是谁 Who We Are】 新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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如果要在2024年这个节点提名硅谷现在最有影响力也最具争议性的人物，应该很少有人能和伊隆·马斯克竞争。无论是他创立的特斯拉、spacex等公司，还是他在收购社交媒体推特以后所做的一系列出格动作，和最近的保守转向，都让他稳稳坐在硅谷话题榜的首位。
这个毁誉参半的超级科技领袖是一个充满矛盾的人。爱他的人认为他是硅谷的救世主，一位真正不受当今世界思想定式和传统规训的天才。但恨他的人觉得他是一个冲动，自私，厌女和狂妄的小丑。但不管他到底是哪一个，不可否认的是马斯克已经超越了普通的商业人物和科技领袖，成为了一个职业公众人物，也是我们这个时代被大众津津乐道的神话和隐喻。
马斯克到底是一个什么样的人？我们应该怎样评价他？从他的传记，新闻作品和对掌控自己叙事的迷恋中，我们能看到今天硅谷的哪些不满？在本期节目中。新新人类的三位主播安蕤，马修和一闻与嘉宾Afra一起，试图在这些扑朔迷离的叙事中看到这位超级科技偶像的底色。
If we had to name the most influential and controversial figure in Silicon Valley in 2024, few would come close to Elon Musk. Whether it's through companies he founded, like Tesla and SpaceX, or the series of bold moves he made after acquiring the social media platform Twitter, followed by his recent conservative shift, Musk firmly holds the top spot on Silicon Valley’s list of talking points.
This larger-than-life tech leader is a bundle of contradictions. Supporters see him as the savior of Silicon Valley, a true genius who’s unafraid to break free from conventional thinking. But critics argue that he’s impulsive, selfish, misogynistic; an arrogant clown. Whichever side you’re on, there’s no denying Musk has gone beyond being just another business mogul — he’s become a public figure, a myth, and a kind of cultural metaphor for our times.
What kind of person is Musk, really? How should we assess him? What can we learn about Silicon Valley’s current discontents from his biographies, the media coverage, and his obsession with controlling his own narrative? In this episode, Anrui, Matthew, and Yiwen — along with guest Afra, attempt to peel back the layers of mystique around Musk, to uncover the essence of his character.
【时间轴 The When】
04:20 天才还是疯子：马斯克形象的两面性
20:04 从PayPal到SpaceX：马斯克的商业帝国如何建立
36:28 推特收购案：神话开始破碎的转折点
54:28 硅谷的政治转向与马斯克的右倾
01:18:31 反思"马斯克主义"：技术精通但心智未成熟的时代
04:20 The controversial perception of Musk
20:04 From PayPal to SpaceX
36:28 Twitter acquisition: when the myth began to crumble
54:28 Is Elon leading a right shift of silicon valley’s political ideology
01:18:31 Reflecting on “Muskism”
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
马修：一个网瘾晚期的全职养猫人
杜安蕤：一个想当裁缝的科技/文化撰稿人
一闻：一个对地铁比手机更上瘾的记者
Afra：一个科技行业从业者
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Elon Musk by Walter Issacson 中文版：《埃隆·马斯克传》沃尔特·艾萨克森著 ，刘佳琦译，中信出版社 The Surreal Case of a CIA Hacker’s Revenge - Patrick Radden Keefe Character Limit by Kate Conger & Ryan Mac The X-Man – Jill Lepore
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这一期节目里，两位从小看网文长大的主播马修和一闻终于有机会交流他们当年痴迷网文的故事。从男频到女频，唐家三少到水千丞，沧月到郭敬明，晋江到知乎，马修和一闻给严肃文学爱好者安蕤一点点科普网文的前世今生，最后安蕤才意识到她其实也看过不少网文，只不过是以纸质书的形式。
让我们没想到的是，当年专属于年轻人的 guilty pleasure 竟然一步步发展成了价值千亿的文化产业，原本的 txt 文件和文字中的人物变成了现在全球大火的电视剧和一线明星，我们的消费方式也从白嫖变成付费，单章购买变成付费订阅，结果又被互联网大厂带回免费阅读时代。到了今天，没有几个人能逃过网文的文化影响，网文不再是只配在被窝里看的小众爱好了，那它算不算完成了对严肃文学的复仇？
In this episode, Matthew and Yiwen finally got the chance to exchange their stories of webnovel obsession. We gave Anrui, a fan of serious literature, a crash course on the past and future of webnovels—genres, top authors, online platforms—only for Anrui to realize that she has, indeed, read webnovels too.
The development trajectory of webnovels has exceeded our wildest imagination. It grew from a guilty pleasure exclusive to young people to a cultural industry worth billions of dollars. What was once .txt files and the characters within them have now transformed into globally popular TV shows and A-list celebrities. Our consumption habits have also evolved from reading for free to paying, from single-chapter purchases to subscription models; now, big techs have brought us back to the era of free reading. Today, few can escape the cultural influence of webnovels. It’s no longer just a niche hobby—so has it, in a sense, taken its revenge on serious literature?
【时间轴 The When】
01:45 聊聊当年在被窝里看小说的日子
07:20 网文入门指南，男频、女频、耽美、凡人流这些都是什么
17:12 爽感与羞耻感：为什么我们觉得网文上不了台面？
21:54 网文率先开发出健康的内容付费生态
36:06 万物皆可网文：Lofter、最小说、甚至知乎？！
48:35 男读者和女读者眼里不同的耽美文
01:01:55 火遍全球的《陈情令》
1:13:24 灵魂之问：网文登上大雅之堂了吗？
01:45 Who hasn’t read webnovels past bedtime as a teenager
07:20 Webnovel 101: WTH are “nanpin,” “nüpin,” “danmei,” and “fanreliu”?
17:12 The pleasure and shame of a webnovel reader
21:54 How webnovel built a sustainable monetization business model
36:06 Reading webnovels on the most unlikely platforms: Lofter, Top Novel, and Zhihu?!
48:35 Danmei literature in the eyes of men and women
01:01:55 The unstoppable success of The Untamed
01:13:24 The million-dollar question: Are webnovels considered highbrow now?
【拓展链接 The Links】
嘻嘻里买家俱乐部：网文世界源远流长，最后依旧起点飞升与晋江水长
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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新新人类的三位主播都是小红书重度用户。在这期播客中，安蕤，一闻和马修坐下聊了聊这个不知不觉中已经与我们的生活不可分割的软件。从2013年成立至今，小红书已经不仅仅是一个社交媒体应用，更是一个具有搜索引擎性质的，庞大且多元的内容宇宙。我们几个从最初的怀疑到最终的沉迷，在到现在的“万事可问小红书”，小红书到底是怎么养我们的？
从产品角度来说，小红书是中国的 Instagram 吗？为什么双列信息流这么有效？这些功能如何促成社区感和信任感？为什么海外复刻小红书的尝试屡败屡战？从文化影响来说，小红书如何塑造了中国年轻人消费和分享信息的方式? 在小红书上，我们见证了娱乐圈“真人”的兴起、算法语言的流行和对于审美文化的过度追求——这究竟是好是坏？小红书让我们都完犊子了吗？
In this episode, we're diving into Xiaohongshu (RED), the app that has become deeply intertwined with our daily lives. It's more than just a social media app; it's a massive universe where people can find information, share experiences, and seek inspiration for all aspects of life—from discovering the best restaurants in Beijing to seeking advice dealing with DMV in LA. Is Xiaohongshu China's Instagram? Why is the parallel feed layout so effective? How do these features foster a sense of community and trust? We also discussed its cultural impact: how has Xiaohongshu shaped the way urban Chinese youth share and consume information?
【时间轴 The When】
05:15 从海淘攻略到搜索引擎——小红书的演变
11:31 在小红书上发帖的心理和对算法的信任
22:34 为什么海外还没出现类似小红书的产品?
30:50 小红书上的"算法语言AlgoSpeak"和美貌焦虑文化
49:52 种草文化导致的同质化和软文泛滥：搜索引擎的信任危机？
42:10 分享最近在小红书上看到的有趣内容
05:15 - Xiaohongshu's evolution: From overseas shopping guide to search engine
11:31 - The psychology behind posting on Xiaohongshu and trust in its algorithm
22:34 - Why hasn't a similar product to Xiaohongshu emerged overseas?
30:50 - "AlgoSpeak" on Xiaohongshu and the culture of beauty anxiety
49:52 - Homogenization and sponsored content overload: A crisis of trust in search engines? 42:10 - Sharing recent interesting content found on Xiaohongshu
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【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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【聊了什么The What】
与网络一起长大的我们，终于忍不住要对播客下手了。我们（安蕤、马修和一闻）是三个生活在美国的新生代科技记者。毫不夸张地说，我们的成长经历是和互联网、科技以及社交媒体密不可分的。那么，从古早Windows游戏到人工智能应用，我们与技术的关系经历了什么样的变化？我们又是怎么成为科技记者的？当科技从边缘走向中心，谁能定义科技新闻的边界？在平台重塑媒体格局的今天，如何讲述一个更立体的科技故事？这期节目是我们的自我介绍，也是我们对这档播客的未来的畅想。如果这是你第一次发现我们：欢迎来到新新人类播客，我们是你的网上邻居。
We have a podcast! We—Anrui, Matthew, and Yiwen—are three Gen-Zish tech reporters who grew up in China and now live in the U.S. It’s no exaggeration to say that our formative years were deeply intertwined with the internet, technology, and social media. So, how has our relationship with technology evolved, from early Windows games to AI applications? How did we become tech reporters? As technology shifts from the fringes to the mainstream, who gets to define the boundaries of tech journalism? And in an era where platforms are reshaping the media landscape, how can we tell more multidimensional stories about technology?
This episode is our self-introduction and a glimpse into our vision for this podcast. If this is your first time discovering us: welcome to Pixel Perfect. We’re your neighbors on the internet.
【时间轴 The When】
00:03:02 老年Gen Z的互联网记忆：从QQ空间到电脑机房
00:14:51 长大以后成为科技记者的偶然与必然
00:23:31 媒体，社交媒体和新时代信息获取方式的革命性转变
00:31:03 硅谷与科技媒体关系的演变
00:49:30 对中文科技媒体的观察
00:56:37 科技报道的本质：不止于技术本身的思考
01:14:32 播客的愿景：提供不爹的科技观察视角
00:03:02 Memories of the internet as an older Gen Z: From QQ Space to computer labs
00:14:51 The coincidences and inevitabilities of becoming a tech journalist
00:23:31 Media, social media, and the revolutionary changes in how we access information
00:31:03 The evolution of the relationship between Silicon Valley and tech media
00:49:30 Observations on Chinese tech media
00:56:37 The essence of tech reporting: Thoughts beyond the technology itself
01:14:32 The vision for the podcast: Offering a non-condescending perspective on tech observations
【拓展链接 The Links】
【我们是谁 Who We Are】
新新人类是一档由几个与互联网一起长大的新生代科技记者主持的播客，致力于站在中美交汇点上，解读全球科技潮流与人文的交织。
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