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Third Spacing
Third Spacing
88 episodes
1 week ago
Third Spacing is the yet to be defined space between cells and vessels, where fluid moves from one space to another. In sociology, the Third Space is where people meet to unwind, let down their guard and talk about things that matter to them, distinct from work and home, towards connection. Third Spacing, the podcast makes space to explore important topics on the fringes of clinical medicine in Singapore. We talk to doctors with unusual lifepaths and passions, professors who shaped our traditions or our futures, pioneers who took risks in arts, civil society, education, research to expand the possibilities of what medicine can look like in Singapore. - Instagram @thirdspacing Website thirdspacing.com
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Third Spacing is the yet to be defined space between cells and vessels, where fluid moves from one space to another. In sociology, the Third Space is where people meet to unwind, let down their guard and talk about things that matter to them, distinct from work and home, towards connection. Third Spacing, the podcast makes space to explore important topics on the fringes of clinical medicine in Singapore. We talk to doctors with unusual lifepaths and passions, professors who shaped our traditions or our futures, pioneers who took risks in arts, civil society, education, research to expand the possibilities of what medicine can look like in Singapore. - Instagram @thirdspacing Website thirdspacing.com
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Ep 78 "Can you imagine living with your employer 24/7?" - Advocating for Foreign Domestic Workers in Singapore

What is it like to be saddled in debt before your work even begins? How would you feel if your employer refused to let you quit your job? What if they even confiscated your phone and passport against your will?


Today, over 1 million low-wage migrant workers are employed in various sectors in Singapore. Foreign domestic workers (FDWs) occupy a unique niche in this system, living in with their employers and looking after the basic needs of Singaporean families. However, they are increasingly recognised to be a vulnerable group, navigating a system and society which may create challenges in defending their rights and welfare.


Join Jaya, a Research and Advocacy Manager from the Humanitarian Organisation for Migrant Economics (HOME), as she explores the unique interface that FDWs straddle in society, and shares what we can do to create a more empathetic and caring society for our FDWs.


Importantly, she also provides insight into the unseen healthcare needs of FDWs, and what healthcare professionals can do to create a truly safe space for those in danger of abuse.


To find out more about HOME, visit

Official Website: https://www.home.org.sg/

Instagram: @home.migrants.sg

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/home.migrants.sg/


0.26 - What is HOME?

1.48 - Key issues FDWs face

4.57 - Saddled in debt bfore even starting work

7.08 - Neither foreign, nor truly domestic

9.08 - Analysing new measures to protect FDWs

13.14 - The heinous abuse of FDWs

16.12 - How can healthcare professionals truly create a safe space for FDWs?

20.18 - What are the healthcare needs of FDWs?

25.42 - The future for FDWs in Singapore

26.23 - What keeps Jaya going

27.22 - find out more about HOME

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6 months ago
28 minutes 2 seconds

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Ep 77 Leading Healthcare for Migrant Workers—What’s Next?

In this episode, we explore Dr. Ben Kuan’s journey—from his early days as a medical volunteer to becoming a key advocate for low-wage migrant workers' healthcare. As a family physician, CEO, and passionate public health champion, Dr. Ben Kuan shares his insights on leading through crises, and the future of sustainable healthcare for vulnerable communities. What is Third Spacing? By healthcare students/workers, across disciplines and schools, we speak to clinicians, academics, and members of civil society who expand what we think about care delivery. Why we create podcasts? Scaling honest conversations for change, centring human experiences, starting with healthcare. Email us at thirdspacingpodcast@gmail.comFollow our Instagram @thirdspacing

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8 months ago
32 minutes 10 seconds

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Ep 76 Part 2: What is life as a doctor like after climbing Everest?

On 26 May 2012, Dr Kumaran Rasappan became the first Singaporean physician to summit Mount Everest. What comes next? In this episode, we continue exploring Dr Kumaran’s insights into medical care in Singapore and abroad, how his love for mountaineering brought him to provide care for the communities in Nepal, and the recent launch of his book No Mountain Too High.

00:00: Finding Balance in Life

03:11: Perils of Mountaineering

06:36: Empathizing with Patients

08:30: Volunteering Overseas

13:21: Setting up Project Aasha

19:31: No Mountain Too High

24:13: What’s next?

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11 months ago
25 minutes 57 seconds

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Ep 76 Part 1: What is life as a doctor like after climbing Everest?

On 26 May 2012, Dr Kumaran Rasappan became the first Singaporean physician to summit Mount Everest. The culmination of years of planning, preparation, uncertainty brought him to the top of the world – physically and metaphorically. What comes next?

In this episode, we catch up with Dr Kumaran on how life at normal altitude has been like after reaching the highest peak in the world. He shares with us how he came to climb Everest, his perspective on success and failure, and how his interest in mountaineering enriches his vocation in medicine.

00:00: Introduction

01:34: Getting into Mountaineering

8:47: Climbing Everest

14:03: Struggles and Supports

16:14: What is success?

18:50: After Everest

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11 months ago
22 minutes 55 seconds

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Ep 75 Why are many of our nurses from the Philippines?

The Philippines is one of the world’s largest exporters of migrant labour, with a significant number of its citizens employed in healthcare as nurses. Asst Professor Yasmin Ortiga from the Singapore Management University is a sociologist who aims to answer why and what impact this has.

Taking a historical view, Asst Professor Ortiga traces this phenomenon back to the Philippine's US colonial past when nursing was established as a key profession. Over time, the national government used the export of labour as an economic development strategy. Yet, this has led to a troubling brain drain and a weakened healthcare infrastructure.

Asst Professor Ortiga’s work centres human experiences in this large scale phenomenon, beyond just the measurable outcomes. Solutions hence must extend beyond financial incentives, and instead undertake a humane approach to labour migration, addressing the broader needs of healthcare workers.

Timestamps:

1.35 Historical context behind the migration of Filipino nurses

3.21 Healthcare in the Philippines

5.00 How the pandemic affected the Philippines healthcare system

6.55 Individual perspective on the migration of Filipino nurses

11.02 Systemic perspective on the migration of Filipino nurses

12.58 Perception of Filipino nurses by Singaporeans

14.55 Filipino nurses vs domestic workers

17.35 Expectations of migrant Filipino healthcare workers

24.32 Filipino nurses who stay in the Philippines

26.50 Filipino nurses who leave Singapore to other countries

28.20 How Singapore retains its Filipino nurses and what we can do better

31.38 Impact on families in the Philippines due to migration

33.55 Yasmin and Joson’s personal experiences

37.48 What we don’t know about Filipino migrants

38.58 Parallels between Filipino migrants and Singaporean migrants

40.53 Balancing individual and systemic concerns of migration in healthcare

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1 year ago
44 minutes

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Ep 74 How to Slay in Medicine

Victoria Wondersnatch is a drag queen who is also a clinician-scientist. In this episode, we discuss her journey in combining these two paths. In our episode, Wondersnatch shared how their journey started with watching YouTube make-up tutorials, performing in modest gatherings, and now starring in and writing regularly sold out larger-than-life spectacles with Drag Qabaret.

Now, Wondersnatch also runs her own YouTube channel where she integrates her research in dermatology and hair biology into their make-up tutorials. Makeup and hair products are used to radically transform and craft a drag queen’s appearance. ‘‘The way that you wear your hair, the way that you react when you start to lose your hair is hugely affected by the way society has told us what our hair means to us’. Wondersnatch can combine this experience with her scientific knowledge to expertly discuss gender-affirming dermatology and evidence-based approaches to skincare that center patient’s experiences

Drag Qabaret is more than a platform of self-expression, but Wondersnatch also uses this platform to support charitable causes. In their interview, Wondersnatch shares that Qabaret raised at least $100,000 of funds from their performances, and amongst other causes have been used to support filmmakers to produce films about stigma and discrimination among people who are living with HIV.

Join us as we delve into the world of Victoria Wondersnatch, where drag meets science, and every performance is a celebration of diversity and empowerment.

0:55 How did you get started doing drag?

01:35 How has the drag scene evolved over time?

02:59 Plans going forward with drag

03:55 Being a dermatologist and clinician scientist

05:32 How being in the field affects the way Victoria does drag

06:57 Using drag for advocacy

09:01 How can we push more for advocacy in the medical workspace and outside of work

11:47 Using hair as a role in gender affirming dermatology

15:47 How being in dermatology has affected the way Victoria does drag

18:00 Parting words

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1 year ago
19 minutes 51 seconds

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Ep 73 How can we build spaces for gender-affirming care? - Dr. Tsoi Wing Foo

Dr. Tsoi Wing Foo is a renowned psychiatrist with over 60 years of experience in the field. He dedicated his career to the care of transgender people and is one of the pioneers in transgender psychiatry in Singapore. Dr. Tsoi also authored the book "Cries from Within," which explores the challenges faced by transgender people in Singapore and the available treatment options. In this episode, Dr. Tsoi discusses the challenges faced by transgender individuals, the evolution of treatment approaches, and the resistance from the medical community. Dr. Tsoi emphasizes the importance of providing proper care and support for transgender patients, including hormone therapy and gender change surgery. He also highlights the need for a shift in societal attitudes towards transgender individuals.

00:25 Introduction
01:02 Inspiration to dedicate life’s work in transgender care/psychiatry
02:02 Definition of gender dysphoria and what it means to have it
03:28 Experience of taking care of trans patients back in the 70s/80s, process of how it used to be to diagnose them
08:56 Comparison of the medical community’s view of LGBTQ community then and now
09:42 Dealing with rejection of medical community’s view of trans care
10:22 Views on the terms ‘transsexual’ and ‘transgender’, and shift in view of gender dysphoria from a sexual disorder to a gender identity disorder
12:02 Discussion on the shift of view in MTF ppl
12:41 Trans people visiting the clinic with a plan in mind
13:30 Next focal point for medical industry to focus in trans care
14:29 Is it important to being personally involved with transgendered people
16:57 Advice for medical students who want to pursue in trans care

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1 year ago
18 minutes 29 seconds

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Ep 72 Why do Junior Doctors feel burnt out? - Dr. Gerald Sng

Disclaimer: The views expressed in the interview are his own and do not reflect the views of his employer.

Dr Gerald Sng shares his perspective as a researcher of junior doctor burnout.
In our first ever video episode, Dr Sng discusses the factors contributing to high rates of burnout among junior doctors, and explores what can be done to address it. He draws insight from his research into residents and medical students in Singapore, informed by his own experiences navigating the healthcare system. Dr Sng also draws a connection between empathy and burnout, and shares how they might be two sides of the same coin.


00:07 Introduction and Guest Introduction 

00:38 Dr. Sng's Journey into Burnout Research

02:15 The Connection Between Burnout and Empathy 

03:33 Trends in Burnout and Its Causes 

04:20 Understanding the Concept of Burnout 

05:11 Pillar 1: Emotional Exhaustion

06:30 Pillar 2: Depersonalisation

07:36 Pillar 3: Personal Achievement 

09:10 Burnout as a Symptom of a Larger Problem 

12:39 Addressing Burnout: Systemic Changes and Individual Strategies 

15:02 Shifting mindsets from individual to institutional responsibility 

16:58 The modern struggles of junior doctors

19:20 What needs to change in our healthcare system?

24:10 Are you optimistic about the future for junior doctors?

27:31 The Future of Burnout Research and Advocacy 

31:18 Conclusion and Farewell

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1 year ago
32 minutes 9 seconds

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Ep 71 How can AI enhance clinical care?
In this episode, we talk to Dr. Jonathan Ng, CEO and founder of Iterative Health, a US-based healthcare startup pioneering the use of AI-based precision medicine for the detection and treatment of gastrointestinal diseases. He’s also the chairman of Children of Cambodia, a philanthropic organization he set up at 16 years old that helped establish Cambodia's first neonatal ICU, pediatric burns and pediatric cardiothoracic surgery unit. We discuss the personal values that motivated his philanthropy and eventual pivot to business from medicine. He also shares about his journey of founding Iterative Health and the importance of expanding one’s horizons and breadth of experiences.
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2 years ago
27 minutes 19 seconds

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Ep 70 Part 2: How should we think about care?
In this episode, we shift our conversation with Hazirah Mohamed, a public health PhD student at the University of Toronto, towards health equity at large, where her research focuses on resource allocation in end of life care. She shares her journey to public health, her insights to designing a patient-centred preventive health model, in light of HealthierSG, and how we can make change in the very systems that we work in.

[00:00:42] Hazirah’s public health background

[00:04:31] The problem with opportunistic testing

[00:09:34] The priority on efficiency in our systems and how we can make change from within these systems

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2 years ago
18 minutes 38 seconds

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Ep 70 Part 1: How can we talk about race in healthcare?
In the first of this two-part episode we talk to Hazirah Mohamed (she/her), a public health PhD student at the university of Toronto. She is the author of “Kita dah cukup manis? (We are sweet enough?): Resisting the bitter pill of racialised health framing on the Malay community” in Brown is Redacted, an anthology of essays on race in Singapore. We discuss the uses of race in society and in medicine, and the importance of cultural competence.

[00:00:35] Introduction to Hazirah and Overview of her research on Malay issues

[00:06:13] Thoughts on public health campaigns and how their framing could influence health outcomes

[00:12:08] Why is race being seen in isolation problematic in healthcare?

[00:18:51] How can we be more culturally competent?

[00:28:27] How should healthcare workers and doctors approach the topic of race?

[00:35:41] How should we think about the reasons why people may or may not have health-seeking behaviour

[00:41:03] Final thoughts

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2 years ago
43 minutes 28 seconds

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Ep 69 What is it like being a clinician scientist?

In this episode, we interview Prof Roger Foo, a practicing cardiologist who is also the Director of the NUSmed and NUHS Cardiovascular Disease Translation Research programmes, and head of the NUHS Clinician Scientist Academy. We talk about his path to becoming a clinician scientist, how his interest in cardiology developed, exciting insights into cardiovascular research and tips for students to engage in research.

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2 years ago
28 minutes 26 seconds

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Ep 68 How to deliver medical care that is inclusive to the transgender community?
In this episode, we speak to Dr. Jeremiah Pereira, the Medical Director of MaNaDr Clinic, who is one of Singapore's only physicians with gender-affirming care as their primary focus. We break down the meaning behind the term gender-affirming care, what it is commonly perceived as, and what it is not, the motivations behind pursuing this work, and the importance of acknowledging Singapore's history as a pioneering gender-affirming surgery centre in the late 20th century.
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2 years ago
28 minutes 32 seconds

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Ep 67 What do you do when you priorities change?
In this episode, we speak to Faith Nadine, a PGY2 who now practices as a locum GP and blogs at Chasing Faith and Love. We honestly talk about her reasons for walking down this unconventional pathway, mental health as a junior doctor, and her thoughts on her future.
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2 years ago
23 minutes 33 seconds

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Ep 66 What is the role of promoting health literacy in adolescent young adult oncology patients?
In this episode, we talk to Dr Evelyn Wong, Associate Consultant and Founding Member of the Adolescent and Young Adult Oncology Services at the National Cancer Centre Singapore. She shares the challenges faced by her adolescent and young adult cancer patients as well as the development of her app, AYABytes, which hopes to improve the health literacy of our patients in Singapore. Through this endeavour, she hopes to better support her patients in their journey and inspire change for other patients in need.
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2 years ago
27 minutes

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Ep 65 How do we deal with functional abdominal pain?
[00:00:30] What is functional abdominal pain?
[00:02:17] What is the difference between functional and idiopathic?
[00:03:37] What is the patient journey like through the healthcare system from their family doctors all the way until you see them in a hospital as a specialist?
[00:05:39] Walk through the approach of helping patients once they are in front of you.
[00:07:50] Navigating the shift away the biomedical model to the biopsychosocial model.
[00:09:40] Response to understanding functional GI disorders
[00:11:25] How to reach out to primary care physicians, the first people who see these patients who present with a functional GI disorder?
[00:12:55] Difference in approach to a child that comes up with IBS versus an adult
[00:16:16] How to effectively build a therapeutic alliance?
[00:19:15] Role of alternative or complementary medicine in dealing with functional GI disorders
[00:24:14] Experience in building a multidisciplinary team to manage functional GI conditions.
[00:27:30] Developing a personal interest in functional abdominal pain
[00:29:05] Patient’s response to co-management with a psychologist
[00:32:14] General advice to interested healthcare trainees interested in functional GI
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2 years ago
35 minutes 9 seconds

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Ep 64 What are the issues surrounding Global Health in Southeast Asia?
In this episode, we talk to Dr Renzo Guinto, who is the Chief Planetary Health Scientist & Co-Founder of Sunway Centre for Planetary Health in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and A/Prof at the Practice of Global Public Health of the Planetary and Global Health Program of the St. Luke’s Medical Center College of Medicine in the Philippines. Having obtained his PhD in Public Health from Harvard, he talks about the power dynamics in Global Health, the tension between equalising that dynamic, while gaining credence from the Global North, and Singapore's potential role in promoting health in Southeast Asia.
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2 years ago
31 minutes 35 seconds

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Ep 63 How do we advance women in medicine and academia?
In this episode we talk to Associate Professor Sophia Archuleta, the Head of the Division of Infectious Diseases in NUH and President of the NUHS Women in Science and Healthcare (WISH) initiative. She shares her experience of being a woman in healthcare, the need for advocacy to come from both women and women, for more female representation in healthcare leadership, as well as how we can start rethinking gender norms in healthcare.
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2 years ago
28 minutes 18 seconds

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Ep 62 Part 2: What lessons can Singapore learn from the US medical education system?
In the second part of this episode, Dr. Lakshmi compares her clinical training in Singapore to the very diverse backgrounds of her colleagues in the US. She argues that there are universal ideas such as implicit bias training and provision of culturally competent care that are also very much applicable in the Singapore context and therefore should also be explored. Finally, Dr. Lakshmi contends that because of the understanding that many different factors also contribute to therapeutic outcomes aside from general health, doctors also need to upgrade to be more than just doctors.
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2 years ago
28 minutes 9 seconds

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Ep 62 Part 1: What is global health?
In the first part of this episode, Dr. Lakshmi shares about her early experiences being involved in Global Health work and research. Her frequent visits to relatives in India exposed her constantly to the realities of poverty and inspired her to think of how public health and medicine can be used to address social problems as well. Dr. Lakshmi further elaborates on how to avoid the trap of "voluntourism" when executing Global Health projects overseas.
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2 years ago
21 minutes 5 seconds

Third Spacing
Third Spacing is the yet to be defined space between cells and vessels, where fluid moves from one space to another. In sociology, the Third Space is where people meet to unwind, let down their guard and talk about things that matter to them, distinct from work and home, towards connection. Third Spacing, the podcast makes space to explore important topics on the fringes of clinical medicine in Singapore. We talk to doctors with unusual lifepaths and passions, professors who shaped our traditions or our futures, pioneers who took risks in arts, civil society, education, research to expand the possibilities of what medicine can look like in Singapore. - Instagram @thirdspacing Website thirdspacing.com