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The Real Deal Landman Show
Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson
30 episodes
3 days ago
The Real Deal Landman Show pulls back the curtain on the fascinating world of land and energy professionals, offering an authentic counterpoint to Hollywood's dramatized version. Join veteran landmen Jerris Johnson and Drew Hopkins as they serve up hilarious real-world stories, expert insights, and candid conversations with industry legends. From oil fields to renewable energy projects, discover the true adventures, challenges, and triumphs of the professionals who secure America's energy future.
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The Real Deal Landman Show pulls back the curtain on the fascinating world of land and energy professionals, offering an authentic counterpoint to Hollywood's dramatized version. Join veteran landmen Jerris Johnson and Drew Hopkins as they serve up hilarious real-world stories, expert insights, and candid conversations with industry legends. From oil fields to renewable energy projects, discover the true adventures, challenges, and triumphs of the professionals who secure America's energy future.
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The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 29: Owner Relations at the NARO Conference with Ardy Amin

If you are a mineral or royalty owner, and you have ever had a question or issue that needed resolution, you probably talked to someone in an owner relations department. At the recent annual convention of the National Association of Royalty Owners, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson visited with Ardy Amin, the man who heads up owner relations for Ascent Resources.  

They discuss the evolution of owner relations, the importance of division orders, and the challenges faced during company acquisitions. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI on owner relations and the significance of personal connections in the industry. With insights from industry experts, the episode provides a comprehensive overview of the current state and future of interactions with mineral and royalty owners.

Our special thanks to PakEnergy (https://pakenergy.com/) for sponsoring this episode. In addition to serving over 2300 customers with services and software, PakEnergy also promotes thought leadership discussions. Learn strategies and insights at https://pakenergy.com/resources from top experts in the energy industry, and while you’re there, schedule a free demo to explore PakEnergy’s offerings. 

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2 weeks ago
35 minutes 25 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 28: Empire Pro Wrestling with Colby Thelen and Drew Hopkins

The title isn’t clickbait. This is a legit episode about wrestling. This conversation was recorded live for a webinar with the Dallas-Fort Worth Association of Lease and Title Analysts. Host Jerris Johnson sits down in the OKC studio with his guests, local celebrity Colby Thelen and another guy we’ve seen before, Drew Hopkins. It goes against the norm of what this podcast usually discusses, but listen in for the lessons that have become familiar with this show. And a reminder that we’re never too old to start something new, especially if it will bring joy to us and others in our community. 


Our special thanks to PakEnergy (https://pakenergy.com/) for sponsoring this episode. In addition to serving over 2300 customers with services and software, PakEnergy also promotes thought leadership discussions. Learn strategies and insights at https://pakenergy.com/resources from top experts in the energy industry, and while you’re there, schedule a free demo to explore PakEnergy’s offerings. 

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1 month ago
45 minutes 43 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 27: At the NADOA Institute with Larry Coshow

This conversation was recorded live in Boston at the annual institute of the National Association of Division Order Analysts. Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson were excited to bring back Larry Coshow, a legendary landman. It offers valuable insights for both new and experienced division order analysts and land professionals, highlighting the importance of networking, mentorship, and personal branding. The discussion also addresses the impact of health challenges on life priorities and the changing dynamics within the industry. This is an episode you’ll want to listen to, share, and send positive vibes to Larry for a quick and complete recovery. 


Our special thanks to PakEnergy (https://pakenergy.com/) for sponsoring this episode. In addition to serving over 2300 customers with services and software, PakEnergy also promotes thought leadership discussions. Learn strategies and insights at https://pakenergy.com/resources from top experts in the energy industry, and while you’re there, schedule a free demo to explore PakEnergy’s offerings. 

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1 month ago
53 minutes 4 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 26: Nancy McCaskell is Larger Than Life

Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson had the immense privilege to converse with Nancy McCaskell, who has a storied career as a landman, executive leader, and is the Immediate Past President of the American Association of Professional Landmen.

Nancy shares her remarkable story of how she began her career in the profession and quickly advanced into leadership. And to follow her passion, she even took time away to be a high school teacher. Nancy is a forward thinker and a friend and example to many.


Connect with Nancy on LinkedIn and learn about her service offerings at https://www.masonboroenergy.com/.

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1 month ago
50 minutes 59 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 25: The Tulsa King with Hamel Reinmiller

Drew Hopkins sits down in person with Hamel B. Reinmiller, EVP of Land, Legal & Business Development for Command Energy, for a candid conversation that leads to an inevitable conclusion: Hamel IS the Tulsa King.

Jerris Johnson is on the episode too, but since he stayed home, it just doesn't seem to count as much.

Hamel shares his stories from the field, his education at the Virginia Military Institute, and the path that ultimately took him to his current kingdom. Hamel’s award-winning career as a landman is one you’ll want to hear about! 


Connect with Hamel on LinkedIn and learn about Command Energy at https://www.commandenergyllc.com/


Keywords

#landmanagement #landman #podcast #management #technology #military #ai #oilandgas #tulsa #tulsaking #oklahoma #industry #adaptability

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2 months ago
55 minutes 33 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 24: Digitization and Collaboration with Scott Casso

Scott Casso of Casso Land & Imaging Services LLC joins Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson in The Real Deal Landman Show studio to share lessons of good old-fashioned hard work.

What do you do when a global pandemic happens and threatens your business? Whatever it takes, including cleaning chickens in a butcher shop.

What do you do when you see a wave of new technology on the horizon? Embrace it, use it, and share it with others.

In this episode, Scott reflects on the sociological changes in land ownership and shares humorous anecdotes from his experiences in the field. The conversation emphasizes the importance of adapting to technological advancements and the need for collaboration in the industry.


Connect with Scott on LinkedIn and learn about his team and imaging services at https://www.cassoimaging.com/


Keywords

land management, COVID-19, technology, AI, digitization, title research, oil and gas, sociological changes, industry challenges, business adaptation

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3 months ago
57 minutes 33 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 23: From Wisconsin to Okie with Jonathan Rich

In this episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson sit down with their guest, Jonathan Rich, Vice President Land for Renewa, to discuss his journey as a landman, from early career experiences to the transition from oil and gas to renewable energy. They explore the importance of building relationships in the land business, the challenges of navigating contracts, and the evolving landscape of renewable energy investments. JR shares insights from his career, including the significance of trust in land deals and the complexities of working with landowners unfamiliar with renewable energy projects.
Reach out to JR on LinkedIn or through jrich@renewa.com. Learn more about Renewa at https://www.renewa.com/ 


Keywords

land management, oil and gas, renewable energy, landman, Oklahoma, career journey, relationships, energy transition, leasing

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3 months ago
51 minutes 35 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 22: Old-Fashioned Leadership with David Woods and Brent Douglas

Hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson recorded a live episode of The Real Deal Landman Show from the annual symposium of the Oklahoma City Association of Lease Title Analysts. They were honored to welcome distinguished guests Brent Douglas and David Woods of Magellan Executive Partners to the stage.


Brent and David shared timeless lessons of old-fashioned leadership gained from years of executive experience and working with top leaders and organizations.


Learn more about their book, Old-Fashioned Leadership: Lessons From the Patio, at https://oldfashionedleadership.com.

Start your executive coaching journey today at https://magellanexecutivepartners.com.


Keywords

landman, podcast, operations, leadership, oil and gas, energy, innovation, deals

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3 months ago
48 minutes 9 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 21: Not a Sports Podcast with Pete Marshall

It might seem that way, but this has not pivoted into a sports podcast. And Drew Hopkins proves it with his stellar knowledge of blockbuster NBA trades.

Drew and Jerris Johnson bring in non-op expert Pete Marshall, Land Manager for Ellipsis. Pete shares his stories of how he became a landman and how his career evolved to its current role with a privately funded non-operating company that is exploring great opportunities all over the United States. 

Connect with Pete on LinkedIn, and learn more about Ellipsis at https://ellipsis.us/. 

And, of course, Go Thunder! 


Keywords

landman, minerals, royalties, deals, podcast, oil, natural gas, battery storage, innovation, networking, events, sports, nba, thunder

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4 months ago
55 minutes 47 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 20: THE Minerals and Royalties Authority with Tim Pawul

Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson are beyond excited to sit down with Tim Pawul, President of the Minerals & Royalties Authority LLC. After nearly 200 episodes of his Minerals and Royalties podcast, Tim has the opportunity to share his story on The Real Deal Landman Show.

Hear stories of inspiration and personal development, and receive a master class on the oil and gas minerals space.

Connect with Tim on LinkedIn, and learn about his incredible initiative to fund the college education of Celeste Kamuntu at https://www.gofundme.com/f/celeste-kamuntu-college-tuition-fund


Keywords

landman, minerals, royalties, international, land management, podcast, oil and gas, innovation, deals, networking, events

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4 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 58 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 19: Making an Impact in Energy with Grant Raney and Michael Gumbs

Another in-studio session of The Real Deal Landman Show with hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson and guests Grant Raney and Michael Gumbs of Impact Energy, EQV Resources, and Environmental Impact Solutions.


Hear about the fascinating backgrounds of Michael and Grant and how they have built a few of the premier independently owned oil and gas companies in Oklahoma City.


Find Grant and Michael on LinkedIn and learn more about their companies at https://impactenergy.us/; https://eqvgroup.com/; https://www.environmentalimpact.us/


Keywords

landman, minerals, operations, land management, podcast, oil and gas, environment, innovation, deals, networking

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5 months ago
53 minutes 15 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 18: Annual Meeting Preview

The Real Deal Landman Show hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson visit with Zachary Smith, President of Armadillo Energy Partners, and Michael Anderson, Director of Land, Venator Resources. The conversation introduces Zach and Michael, their careers, and the important leadership roles they have on the AAPL Annual Meeting Committee. Hear why you want to be in Kansas City, June 18-20.

Register for the conference at https://www.landman.org/events/annual-meeting


Keywords

royalties, landman, education, AI, minerals, technology, land management, oil and gas, contracts, innovation, industry trends, deals, networking

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5 months ago
47 minutes 13 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 17: Drillers and Dealers with David Wheelis

The Real Deal Landman Show hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson visit with David Wheelis, Vice President, Land & Business Development of Caliber Resource Partners. Their lively discussion covers David's fascinating career from independent landman to networking and deal-making guru. Learn about the upcoming Drillers and Dealers event and the incredible impact it makes to the community.

Connect with David on LinkedIn.

Drillers and Dealers event is coming up on June 2. Learn about and get involved at https://drillersanddealers.com/


Keywords

charity, royalties, landman, minerals, technology, land management, oil and gas, contracts, innovation, industry trends, drilling, deals

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5 months ago
49 minutes 21 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 16: The Economic Geologist with Sam Siebenaler

In this episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson welcome Sam Siebenaler, an economic geologist and CEO of Precision Mineral Accounting. The conversation explores the intersection of mining and royalties, the structure of mining contracts compared to oil and gas, and the slow adoption of technology in the mining industry. Sam shares insights on the importance of transparency in royalty management and the future of mining in light of geopolitical challenges. The episode concludes with advice for startups in the mining sector and a light-hearted discussion about potential TV portrayals of their work.

Connect with Sam on LinkedIn and get to Precision Mineral Accounting at https://precisionmineralaccounting.com/.


Keywords

mining, royalties, economic geology, technology, land management, oil and gas, contracts, innovation, industry trends

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5 months ago
50 minutes 1 second

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 15: The New-Age Landman with Matt Tynski

After a few weeks of individual travels and TCB, Drew and Jerris are back to welcome Matt Tynski to the conversation. Matt shares insights about the new-age landman, why he identifies as one, and what it takes to become one. If you didn't know before, you know now that landmen work in more than just oil and gas. If you are a landman interested in learning about the transition from working in oil and gas to working in renewables, this episode is for you!

Bonus: Don't miss Drew's book recommendation!

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6 months ago
41 minutes 33 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 14: Tulsa Association of Petroleum Landmen

Drew and Jerris take the show on the road to Tulsa, Oklahoma, to meet with the landmen who work in the historic "Oil Capital of the World!"

Correction: Drew took the show on the road while Jerris sat in his house behind his desk.

The guys chat with Brett Gwartney, also known as "The Fisherman," about his early experiences in the department of corrections, which eventually led to his landman career.

As always, networking, education, and technology played a significant role in the discussion, generating considerable enthusiasm from the audience for AI.

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7 months ago
37 minutes 6 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 13: NAPE Part 2 - Jimmers Returns

In Part 2 of the special episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, recorded at NAPE in Houston, Drew welcomes back our good friend Jimmy Wright. They explore the importance of strategic networking at happy hours and the creation of partnerships that could shape the future of the energy sector. Drew and Jimmy discuss how building genuine relationships remains fundamental to success in the landman profession. Throughout the episode, they share stories of unexpected collaborations and highlight how a strong personal brand can open new doors. This conversation offers practical insights for anyone looking to make their mark in the industry. The only thing that interrupted their discussion was when the lights were turned off, signaling the end of another successful expo.

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8 months ago
15 minutes 51 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 13: NAPE Part 1 - Blake Susman and Rowland.ai

Drew and Jerris have been discussing NAPE for weeks, and the event has finally arrived. At the show, the guys take a few moments to sit down with Blake Susman, the founder of Rowland.ai, to learn more about the company's significant launch at the expo. Drew put in a lot of (literal) heavy lifting for this show, but, of course, it's Lonnie who wants all the credit.

Please reach out to request a limited edition slap bracelet from The Real Deal Landman Show!

Shameless plug from Jerris: Rowland.ai is now live! Discover the latest AI technology supporting landmen everywhere!

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8 months ago
17 minutes 23 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 12: O Canada with Janice Redmond

Ever wondered what it’s like to work in land management north of the border? In this episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson sit down with Janice Redmond from Calgary to break down the differences (and surprising similarities) between the U.S. and Canadian land industries.

We’re talking cultural exchanges, the quirks of land ownership and mineral rights in Canada, and how renewable energy is shifting the industry. Plus, Janice shares the inside scoop on parenting in Canada’s hockey culture—because let’s be honest, if you’re Canadian, you probably have a hockey bag in your trunk right now.

We also hit on networking goldmines like NAPE, the evolution of landman associations, and what the future of energy might look like on both sides of the border. The conversation wraps with Janice’s timeless advice: Be a good person and invest in your community.

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9 months ago
50 minutes 31 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
Episode 11: Pay Me in Nuggets with Jason Maloy

In this engaging and humorous conversation, Drew and Jerris are joined by Jason Maloy and explore a variety of themes ranging from personal anecdotes about their high school drumline experiences to the mutual connections and incredible stories they have in their landman careers. They discuss the evolving landscape of the energy sector, emphasizing safety and community engagement. The conversation also touches on the impact of the Landman TV show, Jason's personal achievements like Ironman competitions, and the unbelievable perks of having a golden Chick-fil-A card. Ultimately, they reflect on the significance of connecting generations within the industry and the importance of preparing future professionals for the challenges ahead.

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9 months ago
52 minutes 8 seconds

The Real Deal Landman Show
The Real Deal Landman Show pulls back the curtain on the fascinating world of land and energy professionals, offering an authentic counterpoint to Hollywood's dramatized version. Join veteran landmen Jerris Johnson and Drew Hopkins as they serve up hilarious real-world stories, expert insights, and candid conversations with industry legends. From oil fields to renewable energy projects, discover the true adventures, challenges, and triumphs of the professionals who secure America's energy future.