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The Pact

Studio BOTH/AND

30 episodes

9 months ago

It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

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It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

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Episodes (20/30)

The Pact

Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God

Season finale.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

Featuring:
Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences
Albert Perkins

Resources:

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Music by: Adi Goldstein
Featured music by: Frank Ocean

10 months ago

28 minutes

The Pact

Unsafe Spaces | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts

To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible.
Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
Featuring: Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Music by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam
Featured music by: Perfume Genius

10 months ago

1 hour 17 minutes

The Pact

Unsafe Spaces | Open Secret

At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost?
Because by some accounts, investigators and the prosecution were as hard on the survivors as they were Lorenzo himself.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

Resources:

Fox 13 Tampa Bay: https://www.fox13news.com/news/nothing-behind-his-eyes-his-face-was-contorted-victim-of-steven-lorenzo-woke-up-panicked
The Tampa Bay Times: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/01/28/defiant-lorenzo-gets-200-years/
The Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect: https://www.netflix.com/title/81288561

Featuring:
Albert Perkins

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Music by: Circles, Field, Yehezkel Raz, and Ahimsa
Featured music by: Rufus Wainwright

10 months ago

1 hour

The Pact

Unsafe Spaces | It Was Steven

Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
With additional research by: Kaz

Featuring:
• Dr. Scott from LA Not So Confidential
• Drew Mackie from Gayest Episode Ever

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Music by: Evolving Scapes, Grisly Bill, Light in the Shadow, Hynogogia, Yehezkel Raz, and Yotam Agam
Featured music by: Chris Garneau

10 months ago

37 minutes

The Pact

Unsafe Spaces | It Was Scott

Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
With additional research by: Kaz
Audio editing by Darron Wood (The Defense Diaries podcast)

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Resources include:
• The Charlie Project
• NAMUS
• The Tampa Bay Times: Which one is the real Scott?
• Newspapers.com
• CNN.com
• Equity Florida Action, Inc

Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Circles, The Bows, Spiriturn, and Colour Book
Featured music by: Owen Pallett

10 months ago

40 minutes

The Pact

Unsafe Spaces | I'm Gay, I'm F*cked

Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very haunting search of his home, and lists of some very important names.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
With additional research by: Kaz
Featuring: Jason Leroy (The Binge Movie Podcast)

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Resources include:
• The Charlie Project
• NAMUS
• Uncovered
• The Tampa Bay Times
• Newspapers.com
• The Albuquerque Journal
• Amnesty International

Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Yotam Agam, Theatre of Delays, Grisly Bill, and Benjamin Esterlis
Featured music by: Jacob Fossum

10 months ago

36 minutes

The Pact

Unsafe Spaces | Let's Violate the World

On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their actions and negligence led to some of Florida's most sinister crimes.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by: Kaz.
Featuring: Eric Schmidt and Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential).

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Resources include:
• The Charlie Project
• NAMUS
• Uncovered
• Clearwater Police Department
• The Tampa Bay Times: 1 2 3

Music by: Colour Book, Yehezkel Rez, Roniit, Raz Burg, Raz Burg, and Yotam Agam
Featured music by: Josef Salvat

10 months ago

42 minutes

The Pact

Studio BOTH/AND News & Announcements

Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond).

This month's news:
• New tours and events
• Unsafe Spaces update
• The Karen & Ellen Letters update
• True Crime Bullsh** update
• New projects
• Our Americana update
• Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party follow-up in The Berkshires this October
• What's happening on Patreon this month

Links:
• True Crime Podcast Festival, use promo code JOSH for 15% off
• Studio BOTH/AND Patreon

1 year ago

3 minutes

The Pact

Check out my newest podcast: Unsafe Spaces

Unsafe Spaces is an investigative, serialized true crime podcast that explores the crimes that take place in the places we’re supposed to feel safest.

In Season One: Tampa’s Missing Men, I explore how two different missing persons cases, reported on the same day, opened a Pandora’s Box of unreported assaults, cold missing persons cases, ignored rapes, and unsolved murders within Florida’s gay community; and the two men who could be responsible for all of them. Not to mention cold cases of missing gay and murdered men in Georgia, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and beyond.

Check out Unsafe Spaces: www.UnsafeSpacesPodcast.com

2 years ago

11 minutes

The Pact

Tour Announcement

Josh is heading out on the road. Catch him at:

The True Crime & Paranormal Festival in Austin, Texas (8/26-8/27)
www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com

A casual Happy Hour in Tampa, Florida (9/10)
www.bothand.fyi/tour

Obsessed Fest in Dallas, Texas (10/20-10/22)
www.obsessedfest.com

& Coming Soon:
A Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party in North Adams, Mass.

2 years ago

The Pact

The finale.

Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Research assistance by Becca Cline.

Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, Whithe, and Stacxk.

2 years ago

39 minutes

The Pact

Studio BOTH/AND presents: True Crime Bullsh**

If you enjoyed The Pact, check out host Josh Hallmark's other investigative deep dive into serial killer Israel Keyes: True Crime Bullsh**

www.bothand.fyi
www.truecrimebullshit.com
www.patreon.com/studiobothand

2 years ago

The Pact

17. A Boreal Feast

An examination of the strange relationship and power dynamics between Kelly Cochran and Detective Ogden, reveals new patterns in Kelly's stories and behaviors. Plus, a cumulative overview of what we've learned about Kelly, helps construct an MO and timeline of her crimes.

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Research assistance by Becca Cline.
Tip by Olivia.

Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, and Odetta Hartman.

2 years ago

27 minutes

The Pact

A look at how sexual abuse may have contributed to Kelly Cochran's life and crimes; and how it may play a role in deciphering her many stories.

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Research assistance by Becca Cline.
Resources include: RAINN.org, Psychology Today, and Dr. Joni Johnston.

Music by William Hellfire, Stacxk, Kyle Preston, Chris Zabriskie, Lee Rosevere, Radical Face, Josef van Wissem, and Chromatics.

2 years ago

38 minutes

The Pact

An examination of the disparities surrounding the portrayals of men and women in crime, and how Kelly Cochran exploited them.

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Research assistance by Becca Cline.
Resources include: The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, NAMUS, The Charley Project, and Dr. Joni Johnston.

Music by William Hellfire, LaBon, Sergey Cheremisinov, Lee Rosevere, and Empress Of.

2 years ago

32 minutes

The Pact

14. Sex, Lies, and Manipulation

An exploration into Kelly Cochran's practice of avoidance, her list of trophies, and consistencies in her wildly varying stories, leads to some pretty solid conclusions about Kelly and Jason.

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
Research assistance by Becca Cline.
Music by William Hellfire, Sergey Cheremisinov, Lee Rosevere, and Radical Face.

2 years ago

41 minutes

The Pact

Josh deep-dives the lists of Kelly's and Jason's alleged 32 victims, with some shocking revelations and a whole lot of WTF moments.
Next Episode: 28 June 2023

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark
Research assistance by Becca Cline and Michelle Kaszuba

Resources include: NAMUS, The Charley Project, boatman.com.

Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Sergey Cheremisinov, Lee Rosevere.

2 years ago

36 minutes

The Pact

12. Playing Games

Kelly's lists of 32 alleged victims lead investigators to find some interesting evidence in Illinois and Minnesota. And Josh begins making sense of Kelly's lists (and lies).
Next Episode: 21 June 2023

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Research assistance by Becca Cline and Michelle Kaszuba.

Music by William Hellfire, Chris Zabriskie, Sergey Cheremisinov, Lee Rosevere, and Radical Face.

2 years ago

34 minutes

The Pact

Kelly's brother, Colton, shares some revealing and shocking information with investigators. Kelly discusses her first three murders. And patterns begin to emerge.
Next Episode: 14 June 2023

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Research assistance by Becca Cline.

Music by William Hellfire, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov, Lee Rosevere, Kyle Preston, and Radical Face.

2 years ago

39 minutes

The Pact

The Kelly Cochran case files arrive, opening a Pandora's Box of depravity. And during an encounter following Jason's death, Kelly shows Hobart police just how calculating and unhinged she truly is.
Next episode: 31 May 2023

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
www.pactpodcast.com / www.bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience or to support the show: www.patreon.com/studiobothand

Research assistance by Becca Cline.

Music by William Hellfire, Whithe, Sergey Cheremisinov, Lee Rosevere, Radical Face, Ian Alex Mac, Stacxk, and Kevin MacLeod.

2 years ago

39 minutes