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The Back of the Book
Ricochet
26 episodes
2 weeks ago
In The Back of the Book, host Christopher J. Scalia interviews writers, scholars, and other expert guests about culture and the arts.

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In The Back of the Book, host Christopher J. Scalia interviews writers, scholars, and other expert guests about culture and the arts.

Listen to The Back of the Book, along with more than 40 other original podcasts, at Ricochet.com. No paid subscription required.
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The Back of the Book
Welcome to the Machine: The Story of the 1975 Cincinnati Reds & the Greatest World Series Ever Played
Chris is joined by prolific sportswriter Joe Posnanski to discuss his 2009 book, The Machine: A Hot Team, a Legendary Season, and a Heart-Stopping World Series: The Story of the 1975 Cincinnati Reds. Celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Reds’ legendary victory, they discuss the personalities, politics, and drama that culminated in what is considered by some to be the greatest World Series of all time. Joe also gives a sneak preview of his next book, tells the story of his career in sports journalism, and shares some thoughts about the current state of sports writing.
 
Show notes:
 
·       Joe’s 2009 book, The Machine: A Hot Team, a Legendary Season, and a Heart-stopping World Series: The Story of the 1975 Cincinnati Reds
·       Joe’s website
·       Joe and Michael Schur’s forthcoming book, Big Fan: Two Friends, 81,589 Miles, and the Wild, Wonderful Sports We Love
 
Time stamps:
 
2:05 – Origins of the “Big Red Machine”
16:57 – The Reds’ 1975 season
29:41 – The 1975 World Series
42:10 – The Machine’s impact and legacy
52:08 – Joe’s career and the future of sports writing
 
Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
 
Produced by Sean Doolan.
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2 weeks ago
1 hour 4 minutes

The Back of the Book
Panic on the Podcast!
Chris is joined by Michael Clune, a professor at the Ohio State University’s Salmon P. Chase Center for Civics, Culture, and Society, and the author of the excellent new novel, Pan. They discuss some of the themes and ideas underlying Pan, as well as Michael’s vision of literary scholarship and its place in the modern university. 

Show notes: 
  • Michael’s new novel, Pan
  • Michael’s previous book, A Defense of Judgement
  • “We Asked for It,” Michael’s 2024 essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education
  • AEI’s recent event, “Literature in Limbo,” for which Michael served as a panelist
 Time stamps: 


1:12 Pan’s origin and its relation to Michael’s criticism
7:12 The challenges of portraying mental illness in literature
13:51 Ritual and cultural artifacts in the novel
27:33 Technology, shared experience, and the 90s
40:22 Understanding experience through narrative
50:30 The study of literature in higher education 

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist. 

Produced by Sean Doolan and S. Lillywhite.
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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes

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Pre-mendous!
Chris is joined by Brendan O’Meara, the founder and host of the Creative Nonfiction Podcast and author of a great new biography, The Front Runner: The Life of Steve Prefontaine. They discuss the life of American distance running legend Steve Prefontaine (a.k.a. “Pre”), including his childhood, the highs and lows of his running career, his untimely death, and his legacy.
 
Show notes:
·         Brendan’s new book, The Front Runner: The Life of Steve Prefontaine
·         The 1972 Olympic 5000m final
·         Without Limits, the 1998 Prefontaine biopic
 
Time stamps:
1:33     Early life in Coos Bay, Oregon
10:35   Entrée into running and rise to stardom
20:57   Pre’s character, on and off the track
30:43   College career and “Pre’s people”
35:30   1972 Olympics
43:20   Post-Olympic comeback and fight against the AAU
50:09   Death and legacy
 
Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
 
Produced by Sean Doolan and S. Lillywhite.
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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes

The Back of the Book
Creative Catholics: Literature & Theology in the 20th Century
Chris is joined by Cassandra Nelson, an affiliate fellow in literature at the Lumen Center in Madison, Wisconsin, an associate fellow at the University of Virginia’s Institute for Advanced Studies in Culture, and the author of A Theology of Fiction (Wiseblood Books, 2025). They discuss the life and thought of Sr. Mariella Gable, a Benedictine nun who had an under-appreciated influence on Catholic literary fiction during the 20th century. They also talk about the relationship between theology and literature, the work of Betty Wahl and J.F. Powers, and more. Show notes:
    • Cassandra’s new book, A Theology of Fiction, and the 2022 First Things essay on which it is based
    • Sr. Mariella Gable’s anthologies of Catholic fiction
    • J.F. Powers’s collected short stories
    • The Lumen Center’s website
    • Chris’s book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read) 


Time stamps:
2:56     Sr. Mariella Gable’s conception of Catholic fiction
23:20   Sr. Mariella’s controversies and influence
29:31   A theology of comedy
35:15   Betty Wahl and J.F. Powers
45:20   Reading as a spiritual practice and the moral dimension of fiction
56:55   Cassandra’s recommendations
 
This episode is brought to you by Root & Branch, the only bed linens designed especially for guest rooms.
 
Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
 
Produced by Sean Doolan and Otis Wilbury.
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1 month ago
59 minutes

The Back of the Book
Summertime Blues: 2020 in Hindsight
Chris is joined by his AEI colleague Thomas Chatterton Williams, whose latest book Summer of Our Discontent: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse was published earlier this month. The two discuss Thomas’s analysis of the events and ideas that led to the protests, riots, and all-around madness of the summer of 2020; cancel culture and the importance of free expression; the concept of race and its relation to cultural heritage; and more.
 
Show notes:
  • Thomas’s new book, Summer of Our Discontent
  • The Harper’s Letter
  • Thomas’s previous book, Self-Portrait in Black and White
  • Chris’s book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read)
 
Time stamps:
2:36     Reflecting on the summer of 2020
6:13     The promises and shortcomings of the Obama era
14:32   The “Great Awokening” and the rise of Trump
21:07   Cancel culture and the cult of anti-racism
36:35   The Harper’s Letter and the fight for free expression
42:47   Post-racialism and cultural heritage
50:22   From January 6 to October 7
56:09   Charting a path forward
 
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Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
 
Produced by Sean Doolan.
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2 months ago
1 hour 1 minute

The Back of the Book
Joining the Frey: The Battle for the Liberal Arts
Chris is joined by Jennifer Frey, professor of philosophy in the department of philosophy & religion at The University of Tulsa, and former Dean of the Honors College at TU. They discuss the university’s recent decision to eliminate her position as dean and restructure the Honors College, the power dynamics at play within university governance, and the value of liberal education more broadly.

 
·         Jennifer’s X thread announcing her departure as Dean
·         Jennifer’s New York Times essay recounting her experience
·         Lee Trepanier’s response to Jennifer’s essay
·         Stanley Fish’s essay in The Lamp, and Jennifer’s response to it
 

Time stamps:
1:12           Jennifer’s introduction and professional background
4:52           Jennifer’s success with the University of Tulsa’s Honors College
20:11         Why TU’s administration killed the Honors College
25:24         Structural shortcomings of university governance
35:29         Liberal education and the datafication of the university
43:07         Higher education as the pursuit of wisdom

 
Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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2 months ago
52 minutes

The Back of the Book
The Macho Mensches of Manhattan
Chris talks to Ronnie A. Grinberg, associate professor of history at the University of Oklahoma, about the anti-communist Jewish intellectuals who helped shape post-war American culture and politics. How did this remarkable group of writers—which included such prominent figures as Lionel Trilling, Diana Trilling, Irving Howe, Midge Decter, and Norman Podhoretz—take shape? What were their various opinions about topics like communism, feminism, and masculinity? How do their ideas continue to inform our political and cultural discourse?
 
Find out more about Ronnie’s new book, Write Like a Man: Jewish Masculinity and the New York Intellectuals, here.
 
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3 months ago
1 hour

The Back of the Book
Not Just a Juggalo
Ross Benes, author of 1999: The Year Low Culture Conquered America and Kickstarted Our Bizarre Times, joins Chris to explain how professional wrestling, video games, a face-painted hip-hop duo, and other low culture from 26 years ago can help us understand where we are today. 
 
Show Notes:
·         Ross’s website: https://www.rossbenes.com/
·         Ross on X: https://x.com/rossbenes?lang=en
·         Chris’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Novels-Conservatives-Will-Probably-Havent/dp/1510782397
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4 months ago
55 minutes

The Back of the Book
Conservatives and Culture with Dana Gioia
In this special episode, the poet and critic Dana Gioia delivers a talk titled “Conservatives and Culture: A Failure of Imagination.” Recorded as a part of AEI’s American Dream Lecture Series, Gioia’s talk is an important assessment of why the right abdicated the arts, the disastrous consequences of that withdrawal—and how conservatives can reclaim the relevance they once had in American culture. “Conservatives need to have the skill and courage to live by their own values,” Gioia says. “It’s time for us to dare to say yes.” After his talk, Dana joined Chris for a conversation to dig deeper into the topic and fielded questions from the audience at AEI. Don’t miss it!

Show Notes:
·          Video of the event
·          Dana Gioia’s website
·          Chris’s review of Dana’s poetry collection, Meet Me at the Lighthouse
·          Oh, and Chris’s book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read)!

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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4 months ago
1 hour 15 minutes

The Back of the Book
BOOK LAUNCH! 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read)
Chris introduces his brand-new book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read). Why should conservatives—or anyone—bother reading fiction? How did Chris select the novels to write about? And which ones did he choose, anyway? The answers to these questions, and many others, are finally revealed!
 
Show Notes:
Chris in The Dispatch: “Why Conservatives—and Everyone Else—Should Read Novels”
Chris in The Washington Examiner: “Zora Neale Hurston and the Fate of the Black Conservative”
The Ricochet boys talk to Chris about the book: “A Novel Approach”
 
Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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5 months ago
56 minutes

The Back of the Book
These Are the Days of Miracle and Wonder
Best-selling author Rod Dreher talks to Chris about his latest book, Living in Wonder: Finding Mystery and Meaning in a Secular Age. Rod explains why we’ve lost the ability to see the transcendent around us and how we can rediscover enchantment. What do UFO’s, demons, and beauty have to do with this? Listen and find out!Show Notes:
  • Rod’s new book: Living in Wonder: Finding Mystery and Meaning in a Secular Age
  • Rod’s Substack, Rod Dreher’s Diary
  • Documentary version of Live Not By Lies on Angel.com
  • Chris’s book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read), available to order now!
  • Samuel Taylor Coleridge, “Hymn before Sun-rise, in the Vale of Chamouni”; Percy Shelley, “Mont Blanc: Lines Written in the Vale of Chamouni”
Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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6 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes

The Back of the Book
My Brother the Priest
Chris’s brother, Father Paul Scalia, joins the show to discuss the significance of Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Easter, and how Catholics in particular celebrate this most important (and for priests, most exhausting) week in the liturgical calendar. Father Scalia also recounts his road to the priesthood, shares his favorite Christian apologists and novelists, and discusses the state of the Catholic Church in America.

Show Notes:
· Father Scalia’s books: That Nothing May be Lost: Reflections on Catholic Doctrine and Devotion; Sermons in Times of Crisis: Twelve Homilies to Stir Your Soul (editor)
· Father Scalia at The Catholic Thing
· Chris’s book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read), available to order now!

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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6 months ago
1 hour 1 minute

The Back of the Book
The Politics of Public Art and a Plan for Cultural Renewal
Chris talks to Fisher Derderian, founder and executive director of the Roger Scruton Legacy Foundation, about how politics and patronage shape American art. How did the CIA use abstract expressionism as a cultural weapon during the Cold War? How have culture-shaping institutions and public funds moved from supporting artistic greatness to enforcing political compliance? How can more supporters of cultural excellence reform existing institutions—and create their own? Plus, Fisher shares his thoughts about the great Sir Roger Scruton.

Show Notes:
· Fisher’s Substack, Dux Culturae
· Fisher’s non-profit, The Roger Scruton Legacy Foundation
· The art of Jacob Collins and the Grand Central Atelier
· Oh, and Chris’s book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read), is available to pre-order on Amazon!

This episode is brought to you by BizniCorps: navigating enterprise solutions for greater value-add! Special thanks to AEI’s Maggie Obriwin for making the last ten minutes sound less like a lo-fi indie record from the early 2000s. 

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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7 months ago
1 hour 3 minutes

The Back of the Book
Presidents and the Power of Popular Culture
Tevi Troy, a senior fellow at the Ronald Reagan Institute, talks to Chris about his books The Power and the Money: The Epic Clashes Between Commanders in Chief and Titans of Industry (Regnery History, 2024) and What Jefferson Read, Ike Watched, Obama Tweeted: 200 Years of Popular Culture in the White House (Regnery History, 2013). Tevi explains how different titans of the entertainment industry—the Warner brothers, Lew Wasserman, and Oprah Winfrey—developed and used relationships with such presidents as FDR, Reagan, and Obama. He also considers the different ways Joe Biden and Donald Trump have engaged with popular culture to develop their images and connect with voters. Plus, how did Tevi go from earning a PhD in American Civilization to working in the White House to becoming a presidential historian?

Show Notes:
  • Tevi’s newest book, The Power and the Money: The Epic Clashes Between Commanders in Chief and Titans of Industry
  • More from Tevi about presidents and pop culture (C-SPAN)
  • Follow Tevi on TwitterX: @TeviTroy
  • ICYMI: Chris’s conversation with Jonah Goldberg on The Remnant
  • Chris’s upcoming book, 13 Novels Conservatives Will Love (but Probably Haven’t Read)
This episode is brought to you by Root & Branch Sheets: the only bedsheets designed specifically for unwanted guests! 

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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7 months ago
47 minutes

The Back of the Book
Who Killed Beauty? The Demise of Art Deco and the Rise of Ugly Buildings
Megan Gafford joins Chris to discuss some of her recent writing about the fate of architecture in the 20th century. Art Deco was a beautiful, ornamental style that thrived in the United States in the 1920s and ‘30s. What happened to it—why did modernism displace it and what did we lose in the process? Plus, why do manifestos and fanaticism spoil art? Megan and Chris also discuss the architectural writings of Tom Wolfe, the new film The Brutalist, and why beauty matters in even the bleakest times. 

Show Notes:
· Megan’s Substack, Fashionably Late Takes—don’t miss “‘America Was Supposed to be Art Deco’: When America abandoned beauty.”
· Tom Wolfe, “The Building That Isn’t There” Part 1 & Part 2 (New York Times)
· Follow Megan on TwitterX: @megan_gafford This episode is brought to you by the Gaza Largo Club—the Crown Jewel of Palestine!

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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8 months ago
1 hour 13 minutes

The Back of the Book
A Legion of Horribles; or Cormac McCarthy, The Cannibal Owl, and the Art of Fiction
Novelist Aaron Gwyn joins the show to discuss the fiction of Cormac McCarthy. Why is McCarthy’s Blood Meridian a great American novel? What does Gwyn make of recent revelations about McCarthy’s personal life? Plus, Gwyn reads from and discusses his compelling new novella, The Cannibal Owl. What is the history, and what are the Comanche traditions, behind the work? Gwyn, who teaches creative writing and contemporary literature at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, also discusses how students have changed over the past twenty years, the most important advice he gives young writers, and his favorite Van Halen album. 

This episode is brought to you by the Gaza Largo Club—the Crown Jewel of Palestine!

Show Notes:
· “What Is the Best Work of American Fiction of the Last 25 Years?” (New York Times)
· Aaron Gwyn’s course lectures on McCarthy’s Blood Meridian
· Harold Bloom talks to Brian Lamb about Blood Meridian (C-SPAN)
· B.R. Myers on Cormac McCarthy’s “andelopes”
· “Cormac McCarthy’s Secret Muse Breaks Her Silence After Half a Century: ‘I Loved Him. He Was My Safety.’” (Vanity Fair)
· Aaron Gwyn’s novella, The Cannibal Owl (Belle Point Press)
· Method & Madness Podcast with Aaron Gwyn and Brad Kelly
· Follow Aaron on TwitterX: @AmericanGwyn

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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8 months ago
58 minutes

The Back of the Book
The Arts in America, with Daniel Asia 
Daniel Asia, a composer, author, and president of The Center for American Culture & Ideas, joins Chris to discuss his musical career (including his new opera), advise newbies on where they can start enjoying classical music (his answer will surprise you), and consider the place of high art in the United States. Is there a tension between democracy and excellence? Is there anything the new administration should do to boost our engagement with opera, classical, music, and the performing arts? From Tocqueville to Herman’s Hermits, Mozart to the space aliens, this episode has it all. 

Show Notes:
  • Daniel Asia’s compositions on Spotify and Amazon. His upcoming opera (in English!) is The Tin Angel Opera.
  • Special thanks to our sponsor, Hennigan’s Scotch Whisky. 
  • Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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9 months ago
59 minutes

The Back of the Book
Classical English, the Socratic Method, and Stoicism: A Conversation with Ward Farnsworth
Author Ward Farnsworth joins Chris to discuss his Classical English series, as well as his books on Stoicism and the Socratic Method. What—and how—can we learn from the style, rhetoric, and argument of great writers from the long 19th century? How are the ancient Stoics comparable to modern cognitive psychologists? And how can the Socratic method be an antidote for stupidity? Plus, Chris explains his father’s theory of the Shakespeare Principle.

Ward Farnsworth is professor and W. Page Keeton Chair at the University of Texas Law School. He’s the author the Farnsworth Classical English series, which comprises Farnsworth’s Classical Rhetoric, Classical English Metaphor, Classical English Style, and most recently, Classical English Argument. He is also the author of The Socratic Method and The Practicing Stoic.

Show Notes: 
Ward’s author page on Amazon. 
Chris’s review of Ward’s most recent book, Classical English Argument. 
Special thanks to our sponsor, Eckleburg Optometry: from West Egg to West Hollywood, the giant eyes of Doctor T. J. Eckleburg keep their vigil.  

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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10 months ago
1 hour

The Back of the Book
The Poetry and Fiction of Sally Thomas
Chris’s guest is the poet and fiction writer Sally Thomas, who shares a few of her poems and discusses some of her stories. Sally and Chris also talk about her development as a writer, why she enjoys writing formal poetry, and what she does when her short-story characters won’t leave her alone. 

Sally is the author of The Blackbird and Other Stories (Wiseblood, 2024) and the forthcoming poetry collection Among the Living (Able Muse Press, TBA). She also co-edits the Poems Ancient and Modern Substack and co-edited Christian Poetry in America Since 1940 (Paraclete Press, 2022). 

Show Notes
Here are the poems Sally read during the conversation:
  • “Aubade with Grackle”
  • “Remembrance”
  • “Empty Nest Ghazal”
And here’s one of the stories she discussed with Chris: “A Fire in the Hills.” 

Special thanks to our sponsor, Bleezer’s Ice Cream.

Opening and closing music: Brendan Benson, “Spit It Out,” used with permission from the artist.
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11 months ago
59 minutes

The Back of the Book
Ross Douthat on Fantasy Literature and The Falcon’s Children
New York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Chris to discuss his serialized fantasy novel, The Falcon’s Children. What inspired one of America’s most important political observers to write a work of fantasy, and to serialize it on Substack? What are his hopes for the project? And why is fantasy such a compelling literary genre?

Show Notes
Ross’s novel, The Falcon’s Children 
Ross on Game of Thrones and J.R.R. Tolkien 
Ross’s fantasy bookshelf 
Patricia Snow on Hilary Mantel

Correction: Bret Easton Ellis did not publish his most recent novel (The Shards) on Substack; it was first serialized as an audiobook. Chris was thinking of Chuck Palahnuik’s latest novel, Shock Induction, which is based on a work he published serially on Substack. 

Thanks to our sponsor, Brandybuck’s Tobacco.

Opening and closing music: “Spit It Out” by Brendan Benson, used with permission from the artist.
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11 months ago
49 minutes

The Back of the Book
In The Back of the Book, host Christopher J. Scalia interviews writers, scholars, and other expert guests about culture and the arts.

Listen to The Back of the Book, along with more than 40 other original podcasts, at Ricochet.com. No paid subscription required.