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The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous
41 episodes
6 days ago
The Atomic Exchange Podcast is your gateway to the world of nuclear energy and beyond. Join Dr. Goran Calic, a business school professor at McMaster University, and Michael Tadrous, his research assistant and co-host, as they spark engaging, dynamic conversations on the latest developments in nuclear science, energy policy, and global innovation. With compelling discussions and authentic perspectives, Atomic Exchange is the fusion of news, ideas, and dialogue you’ve been waiting for.
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The Atomic Exchange Podcast is your gateway to the world of nuclear energy and beyond. Join Dr. Goran Calic, a business school professor at McMaster University, and Michael Tadrous, his research assistant and co-host, as they spark engaging, dynamic conversations on the latest developments in nuclear science, energy policy, and global innovation. With compelling discussions and authentic perspectives, Atomic Exchange is the fusion of news, ideas, and dialogue you’ve been waiting for.
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The Atomic Exchange Podcast
GE Vernova, NuScale, Oklo, and the Nuclear Investing Playbook

In the 40th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a quick debrief of McMaster’s Nuclear Renaissance 2.0, then shift to the Business of Nuclear. They compare GE Vernova, NuScale, and Oklo in simple terms, separating what each actually does from the story the market is pricing. Along the way they unpack why gas is powering today’s data centers, where small modular reactors could fit next, how price to book hints at narrative versus assets, and what would count as proof that promises become programs. They close with a straight allocation exercise for a hypothetical one million dollars and the takeaway that in nuclear the program is the product. Tune in for a tour of technology, buyers, and valuation discipline.

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6 days ago
50 minutes 28 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Data Centers, Fuel Cycles, and Who Powers the Next Fleet

In the 39th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous welcome back Matt to continue discussing Project Phoenix. After a quick recap of last week’s forging choke points, they shift to the operational side: fuel. Together they follow the path from mining, milling, conversion, enrichment, to reprocessing and ask what would count as proof that North America can supply a much larger fleet. They set the stakes with why more electricity is needed now, from decarbonization and electrified heat to the rise of AI data centers, then explore how small modular reactors, standardization, and a rebuilt domestic industrial base could accelerate delivery. Tune in for a tour of supply chains, institutions, and a pragmatic path forward.

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2 weeks ago
50 minutes 26 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Project Phoenix, Reactor Vessels, and the Fourfold Buildout

In the 38th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous welcome lab teammate Matt Player to map the real bottlenecks behind America’s proposed fourfold nuclear buildout. They set the context for why this study exists and what would count as proof that the goal is more than a slogan. Then they dig into the industrial choke point of heavy forgings for reactor pressure vessels, who actually makes them, how heat treatment and certification shape the pace, and why geography and geopolitics matter. Along the way they sketch paths to go faster, from program standardization and a stronger domestic industrial base to small modular reactors and a continuous workforce pipeline, and they close by teeing up part two on the fuel cycle. Tune in for a concept-first tour of supply chains, institutions, and what it would take to turn ambition into steel.

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3 weeks ago
47 minutes 4 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Cyber Intrusions, Admissions Dilemmas, and Rooftop Solar Reality

In the 37th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a check-in from a Toronto nuclear conference on cybersecurity, where simple devices and supply chain gaps show how human habits can still beat high-tech defenses. Michael shares a behind-the-scenes look at his Georgetown Law group interview and uses its ethics hypotheticals to ask what good judgment really looks like inside institutions. Then they return to Castle Rock and stress-test last week’s rooftop solar stories, mapping how rate design, fixed grid charges, insurance, and net metering shape real-world payback, and when home solar truly makes sense. They close by asking what fair policy looks like for households and the grid, and how to align incentives with reliability and decarbonization. Tune in for a tour of cyber, ethics, and home energy economics.

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4 weeks ago
38 minutes 19 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Quirks & Quarks, Door-to-Door Solar, and Net-Metering Math

In the 36th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a quick check-in: a producer from CBC’s Quirks & Quarks reached out after reading their piece in The Conversation, and Michael’s law-school interview season is underway. Then Michael brings fieldwork, door-to-door solar interviews in Castle Rock, Colorado. They compare an earlier, higher-priced install with big credits and a long payback; a newer, leaner system that slashes monthly bills; and a recent install with low financing that brings costs down further. Along the way they map how the economics hinge on installer markups versus DIY labor, financing, realistic lifetimes, hail/insurance, and the policy plumbing behind net-metering, helpful when it exists, painful when it shifts. They close by zooming out to Colorado’s mix and a pragmatic path to decarbonization, retire coal first, keep standardized nuclear on the table, then reassess gas versus renewables. Tune in for a candid tour of on-the-ground solar economics, behavioral finance, and grid-policy risk.

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1 month ago
29 minutes 33 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Flat-Pack Strategy, Castle Rock Solar, and Musk’s Colossus Play

In the 35th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a light check-in that turns into an unexpected strategy lesson: IKEA’s modular design, network effects, and why flat-pack execution often beats “custom” complexity. From there they head to Castle Rock, Colorado, where rooftop solar appears on roughly every other home, and work through the mystery with incentives, politics, ROI math, and what might really be driving adoption when prices and policy do not fully explain it. The episode then shifts to AI power at industrial scale, unpacking Elon Musk’s Colossus data centers, 122-day build timelines, gas turbines staged just over the Mississippi–Tennessee line, the path to a gigawatt site, and how funding from personal equity, Gulf capital, and intercompany charges could fuel a winner-takes-most race. They close by asking what a Musk playbook would look like in nuclear, from radical simplification to factory-built units, and whether utilities should keep options open for a new wave of fast, standardized builds. Tune in for a practical, numbers-first tour of consumer tech, rooftop economics, and AI-era electricity.

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1 month ago
48 minutes 11 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Birthdays, Free-Speech Jitters, and Nuclear's Fuel, Finance & Gas Reality

In the 34th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a personal check-in, global-events insomnia on one side and a birthday week on the other, before launching into Nuclear in the News. First up: Oklo’s plan for a used-fuel recycling plant in Oak Ridge and the BWXT–Kairos tie-up to scale TRISO fuel, and what that signals for a domestic advanced-fuel supply chain. Then to London, where WNA said it is “difficult to overstate” institutional investor demand while Microsoft joined as the Association’s first big-tech member, alongside new data on industrial “clustering” around nuclear sites. Back home, they parse Reuters’ build sheet, about 114 GW of new U.S. gas in the pipeline vs about 36 GW hydro and about 8 GW nuclear, and weigh pro-nuclear rhetoric against near-term gas realities. Along the way they ask whether to recycle fuel now or prioritize R&D, why TRISO is interesting, how depreciation rules (MACRS) tilt LCOE, and which messages actually move public support. Tune in for a candid, numbers-first tour of fuel cycles and finance signals.

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1 month ago
43 minutes 28 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
DIY Weekends, Offshore Wind Halts, and Risk-Adjusted LCOE

In the 33rd installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with light notes on grout, a new smart lock, and Colorado’s wide-open neighborhoods before turning to Nuclear in the News. They weigh the Trump administration’s pause on several East Coast offshore wind projects, asking whether it is a needed security reset or an expensive mid-stream stop, and what government intervention does to project risk, financing, and ratepayers. From there, they dive into how risk really shows up in power prices, unpacking levelized cost of electricity through the lens of capital cost, firming, and both technical and non-technical risks. Examples include why nuclear in Ontario carries low completion and fuel risk, why gas looks very different in Texas than in Europe, and how solar and storage depend on long, fragile supply chains. They close by sketching a risk-adjusted LCOE framework and a case study idea comparing identical gas plants in Texas and Germany. Tune in for a practical look at policy shocks, project finance, and why the true cost of power depends on more than a single headline number.

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1 month ago
54 minutes 42 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Warm Rivers, Cool Reactors, and What the Data Really Says

In the 32nd installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with weekend notes and then roll into another Good Science vs Bad Science. They unpack their new working paper, "Cooling Under Fire" (now on SSRN), a response to “Atomic Rivers,” asking whether inland, water-cooled nuclear can stay reliable in a warming world. They quantify heat/drought curtailments (rare and small), separate planned, regulatory derates from true technical limits, and contrast nuclear’s steady capacity factors with wind/solar variability. They note that only a minority of plants use once-through river cooling, walk through technical fixes, and discuss when warmer outflow can help or harm local biota. The takeaway: modest adaptations keep output resilient, and policy should judge options on apples-to-apples grid realities. So, tune in for a clear, numbers-first tour of nuclear’s thermal resilience.

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2 months ago
33 minutes 14 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
AI’s Power Diet, Canada’s Nuclear Upside, and the Picks and Shovels to Build It

In the 31st installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with quick updates and note that "Cooling Under Fire" is now on SSRN. They touch on peer-review norms, then dive into another Business of Nuclear episode: this time a winners-and-losers scan. Goran maps the U.S. AI load surge from 30 TWh in 2000 to 600 TWh by 2028, led by Virginia, Texas, and California, and flags utilities set for major buildout (Dominion, Sempra) and OEMs with momentum (Westinghouse, GE Hitachi, NuScale). Michael zooms in on Canada, highlighting likely beneficiaries such as BWX Technologies, Cameco/Westinghouse, AtkinsRéalis, and CAE for workforce training, with potential long-run share pressure on gas and some renewables developers. They compare workforce bottlenecks, bridging trades into nuclear, and why Canada’s uranium base and CANDU cycle provide unusual supply security. The episode closes with a simple lens on AI power: more wires, more concrete, more reactors, and a grid ready for 24/7 demand. Tune in for a concise, numbers-first tour of AI-era electricity and the companies most likely to win or fall behind as nuclear scales.

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2 months ago
49 minutes 38 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
AI Demos, Workforce Math, and Answering Nuclear’s Critics

In the 30th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with lab updates: early demos of their custom AI for the Canadian nuclear sector with McMaster Nuclear Operations & Facilities and Ontario Power Generation (OPG), plus a check-in on a new workforce input–output model and paper on what it would take to triple Canada’s nuclear capacity by 2050. They also pause to explain what the lab actually studies at the intersection of nuclear, economics, and policy. Then they run another Good Science vs Bad Science segment, taking apart an anti-nuclear op-ed. Point by point they test claims about build times, costs, and LCOE sources, add firming and financing where it belongs, and compare real-world grids like France and Germany. They look at mining risks across uranium, solar, wind, and hydro, clarify what “meltdown” rates really mean, and show how waste is stored and tracked. The takeaway is simple: fix execution and timelines, keep existing plants running where safe, and judge technologies on apples-to-apples numbers that reflect how power systems actually work. Tune in for another thoughtful discussion on all things nuclear.

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2 months ago
54 minutes 47 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Golf Cutbacks, Tabletop Therapy, and Dominion’s Offshore Wind Math

In the 29th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous start with Goran's recent “less golf, more miniatures” lifestyle change, trading four-hour rounds for meditative tabletop painting and a quick riff on career phases and moderation. Then they dig into Dominion’s Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind project: 2.6 GW across 176 turbines with a $10.7B headline that feels like “almost three gigawatts” until you factor capacity (about 42% on average, weaker in summer), a 30-year life, and the firming needed when wind drops. Goran walks through the real planner math, including financing and why firming can add roughly $40 per MWh now and rise as renewables grow. They compare CVOW to Vogtle 3 & 4, noting the $32B “nuclear cost” hides interest on an overnight cost near $12.5B, and that faster builds and realistic risk pricing can bring firm nuclear to about $150 per MWh, under wind once firming and financing are counted. They also hit incentives and politics, regulated-utility pass-throughs, AI data centers that can’t curtail, and the unglamorous risks of offshore hardware, from corrosion to cut cables, in a country with just one new jack-up vessel. A candid, numbers-first episode on speed to grid versus longevity, and why Dominion’s short-run choice may still leave a long-run gap that nuclear can fill.

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2 months ago
54 minutes 4 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Supply-Chain Bottlenecks, Codification Creep, and Mission-Driven Incentives

In the 28th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous welcome their first ever guest, Scott MacKinnon, Senior Director of Logistics & Supply-Chain Network Integration at EtherLog°. Scott recounts how Goran’s McMaster talk on “why standardization can slow nuclear builds” sparked a pub-side debate that now becomes a full episode on logistics. The trio unpack codification creep, ask why 75 % of craft labour often waits idle, and probe whether just-in-time delivery really fits multi-gigawatt projects or if local buffers and “zero-trust” micro-measurement are safer bets. They model a hypothetical four-unit program, debate which chokepoint (reactor pressure vessels, grid gear or regulatory sign-offs) most threatens a schedule, and swap ideas for Apollo-style medals, pain-and-gain contracts, and 100 % completion bonuses to turn nuclear megaprojects into a true mission. Tune in for supply-chain stories, systems thinking, and a fresh lens on how logistics could shave years (and billions) off the next reactor build.

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3 months ago
51 minutes 42 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Airport Ammo, Meta’s Energy Dilemma, and Launching The Business of Nuclear

In the 27th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co‑hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with two case‑method deep dives. Goran debuts his new Harvard Business School case, Meta’s Energy Dilemma, where MBA teams weigh Llama’s vertical integration and whether Meta should own its own generation, trading land use, CO₂ and even “annual deaths” in a live financial model. That segues into his earlier Twitter takeover case, showing why students, armed with hard numbers, often side with Elon Musk’s mass‑layoff playbook while pundits and HR orthodoxy balk. Michael then checks in from Denver with a surreal Pearson Airport vignette: a calm traveler, a pistol magazine, and fifteen identical note‑taking officers. From there the pair launch a new recurring segment, The Business of Nuclear. Michael runs the tariff math: even a 50% U.S. Section 232 steel duty and Canada’s tightened quota move nuclear power costs by only pennies per MWh. Goran broadens it into a consumption‑vs‑income‑tax debate before previewing future company spotlights. Tune in for case‑room contrarianism and an inaugural market lens on nuclear’s growth.

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3 months ago
50 minutes 9 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Streamer and Poker Grinds, Canadian Steel Tariffs, and Nuclear Realpolitik

In the 26th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co‑hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a lighter detour on “always‑on” careers. Goran recalls his short‑lived stab at professional online poker, where the glamour fades into a smoky 12‑hour grind, while Michael explains why he would be the world’s worst poker player ever. The conversation then pivots to Hamilton, where Prime Minister Mark Carney has promised a 50 % tariff on non‑CUSMA steel that exceeds 2024 volumes and a fresh billion‑dollar innovation fund for domestic mills. Goran walks through the hard numbers: Canada exports roughly half its steel, 90 % of it to the United States, and argues Carney’s move is less chest‑thumping than a bid to stay in Washington’s good graces while shielding local jobs. Michael pushes back, asking whether the policy is more optics than leverage and whether deeper US integration at this point would really help Canadian industry. So, make sure to tune in for some poker metaphors, streamer angst, and a candid episode of trade‑policy math.

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3 months ago
37 minutes 5 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Cancun Workcations, Our 25th Episode Milestone, and a Self‑Interview

In the 25th‑episode milestone of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co‑hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous set aside reactor talk to focus on something different: each other. Michael kicks things off fresh from a week in Cancun, weighing beachside bliss against the itch to keep emailing drafts, while Goran unpacks why an off‑season, high‑fixed‑cost resort can feel five‑star on a three‑star budget. From there the episode gets a bit personal, with Goran and Michael trading two‑truths‑and‑a‑lie, sharing music tastes, pet peeves, and the meanings behind their names. They recount how a stab‑wound hospital visit and a university Christian club shaped their parents’ love stories, revisit the best and worst advice they’ve ever heard, and reminisce on some of their best decisions and their biggest regrets. Tune in for a candid, funny, slightly nostalgic detour before the next reactor deep dive.

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3 months ago
1 hour 11 minutes 15 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Self-Driving Road Trips, European Travel Tangents, and a “Bad Science” Takedown

In the 24th installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a summer catch-up: Goran’s solo Tesla trek from Dundas to Ottawa, complete with full-self-driving lane changes and meditative highway moments, and Michael’s impending family hop to Cancún. A light detour into European favourites follows, where Vienna’s café culture, London’s imperial streetscapes, and France’s sun-drenched south square off against under-whelming Greek ruins and the question of whether ancient monuments should be fully rebuilt or left as evocative rubble. The episode then pivots to another segment of Good Science vs. Bad Science target, a Frontiers in Environmental Economics paper that labels nuclear “an impediment to climate mitigation.” Point by point, the hosts dismantle claims that reactors are uninsurable, uneconomic and fundamentally incompatible with renewables, citing real-world capacity factors, lifetime-extension data and grid-price comparisons between France and Germany. Along the way they spotlight how cherry-picked construction timelines, hand-waved system-costs and “so-called” digs at small modular reactors slip past peer review, and why bad scholarship can still sway policymakers and AI training data alike. A brisk reminder that evidence, not ideology, should guide the energy transition and that sometimes the worst papers make the best teaching moments.

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4 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 53 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Comment Backlash, Ontario’s Heat-Wave Strain, and the AI Gigawatt Challenge

In the 23rd installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous begin by wading into the unexpected torrent of criticism on their recent Conversation article, examining everything from disclosure-doubts to misread safety statistics, and reflecting on when and how to engage with online pushback. They then turn to Ontario’s summer heat wave, where demand has surged to within two gigawatts of the province’s all-time peak, wind is running below 20 percent of capacity and solar covers barely one percent, forcing gas plants into four-times-their-forecast output. What would it really take to replace those peakers with storage or faster nuclear builds? Finally, they probe a SemiAnalysis warning that AI training data centres are drawing full-reactor-scale power and flipping from full load to near zero in milliseconds, threatening grid synchronization unless hardware and software fixes arrive. Tune in for a candid conversation on criticism, capacity and the next frontier of power-grid risk.

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4 months ago
39 minutes 48 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
Radon Reality Checks, Deep-Geological Doubts, and the Case for Keeping Waste On-Site

In the 22nd installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous open with a surprising PSA: radon gas, not reactors, is the deadliest radiation risk most people face—linked to roughly 21 000 lung-cancer deaths a year in North America—yet few homeowners even test for it. From cheap basement monitors to Canada’s uranium-rich soils, they lay out what listeners can do today. The conversation then shifts underground—literally—to deep-geological repositories. Finland’s Onkalo vault may soon become the world’s first “forever” dump, but Goran argues its tidy economics hinge on having just two nearby plants, nothing like the sprawl of ninety U.S. reactors. Michael counters that America’s stalled Yucca Mountain project shows one national site is politically impossible, while hauling fuel across state lines or Indigenous lands would likely push costs from today’s US $0.1–2 per MWh (on-site dry casks) to four-plus cents. Together they ask: if decades of safe, cheap on-site storage already exist, are DGRs solving a real safety gap or simply buying expensive peace of mind? Tune in for a brisk, number-driven debate that challenges nuclear orthodoxy and reminds us sometimes the safest place for waste is right where it sits.

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4 months ago
40 minutes 29 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
System Costs, SMR Showdowns, and a Dispatch from D.C.

In the 21st installment of The Atomic Exchange Podcast, co-hosts Dr. Goran Calic and Michael Tadrous debrief day one of MIT & CATF’s “Nuclear Energy: Key Facts & Figures” summit. They break down why levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) misses the true system price tag, compare the wildly different financing models behind Olkiluoto-3, Hinkley Point C, Barakah, and Turkey’s Akkuyu plant, and marvel at uranium’s 50-million-to-1 energy-density edge over coal. The conversation then turns to small-modular reactors: how venture capital might finally enter the game, whether water-cooled LEU designs will crowd out exotic sodium- or lead-cooled concepts, and why a handful of winners could dominate an “SMR buffet” of 900 possible variants. Along the way they swap first impressions of D.C. and wrestle with industry pessimism on whether this moment really is the last nuclear renaissance. Tune in for a conference-floor download packed with numbers, nuance, and a dash of travelogue.

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4 months ago
53 minutes 7 seconds

The Atomic Exchange Podcast
The Atomic Exchange Podcast is your gateway to the world of nuclear energy and beyond. Join Dr. Goran Calic, a business school professor at McMaster University, and Michael Tadrous, his research assistant and co-host, as they spark engaging, dynamic conversations on the latest developments in nuclear science, energy policy, and global innovation. With compelling discussions and authentic perspectives, Atomic Exchange is the fusion of news, ideas, and dialogue you’ve been waiting for.