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TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
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TechMagic with Cathy Hackl helps you navigate the future and make sense of today’s rapid technological change. Hear unique perspectives, explore new trends, and journey into the heart of technology. TechMagic is a must-listen for anyone passionate about the future of tech because Arthur C. Clarke said it best: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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TechMagic with Cathy Hackl helps you navigate the future and make sense of today’s rapid technological change. Hear unique perspectives, explore new trends, and journey into the heart of technology. TechMagic is a must-listen for anyone passionate about the future of tech because Arthur C. Clarke said it best: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Cathy at Nvidia’s GTC, Advances in Robotics, Cathy Goes Shopping with a Humanoid Robot, Samsung XR’s Future, Bored Apes Are Back and r what happened at Vogue Singapore's Next in Vogue and Singularity U South Africa Summit

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler explore the fascinating, funny, and sometimes unsettling intersection between humans and machines. From Cathy’s “shopping date” with humanoid robot Maximus to Amazon’s ambitious plans to automate its warehouses, the hosts unpack how AI and robotics are reshaping work and daily life. They also discuss Samsung’s entry into the XR race with the Galaxy headset, the return of Bored Ape Yacht Club’s metaverse project, and innovations like direct-to-vinyl recording. With equal parts humour and insight, Cathy and Lee decode how today’s emerging technologies are redefining what’s possible, and what’s still human.


Come for the tech and stay for the magic!



Cathy Hackl Bio


Cathy Hackl is a globally recognized tech & gaming executive, futurist, and speaker focused on spatial computing, virtual worlds, augmented reality, AI, strategic foresight, and gaming platforms strategy. She’s one of the top tech voices on LinkedIn and is the CEO of Spatial Dynamics, a spatial computing and AI solutions company, including gaming. 


Cathy has worked at Amazon Web Services (AWS), Magic Leap, and HTC VIVE and has advised companies like Nike, Ralph Lauren, Walmart, Louis Vuitton, and Clinique on their emerging tech and gaming journeys. She has spoken at Harvard Business School, MIT, SXSW, Comic-Con, WEF Annual Meeting in Davos 2023, CES, MWC, Vogue’s Forces of Fashion, and more. 


Cathy Hackl on LinkedIn

Spatial Dynamics on LinkedIn



Lee Kebler Bio


Lee has been at the forefront of blending technology and entertainment since 2003, creating advanced studios for icons like Will.i.am and producing music for Britney Spears and Big & Rich. Pioneering in VR since 2016, he has managed enterprise data at Nike, led VR broadcasting for Intel at the Japan 2020 Olympics, and driven large-scale marketing campaigns for Walmart, Levi’s, and Nasdaq. A TEDx speaker on enterprise VR, Lee is currently authoring a book on generative AI and delving into splinternet theory and data privacy as new tech laws unfold across the US.


Lee Kebler on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro: Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler
  • 01:30 Shopping with Maximus: A Human-Robot Retail Adventure
  • 10:35 Amazon's Automation Revolution: 600,000 Jobs Going Robotic
  • 18:30 The AI Bubble: Debating the Reality of AGI and Market Hype
  • 28:40 Understanding ChatGPT's Limitations and Technical Challenges
  • 37:00 Samsung Galaxy XR: A New Player in the XR Hardware Space
  • 43:50 Amazon's HUD Glasses and the Future of Spatial Computing
  • 50:25 Bored Ape Yacht Club Returns with "Otherside" Metaverse Project
  • 54:58 Upcoming Events and a Deep Dive into Vintage Audio Technology

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6 days ago
54 minutes 9 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
The AWS Outage Chaos, Fashion's AI Revolution, Sora 2.0's Dark Side & OpenAI's Controversial Pivot with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl (yep, she’s back) and Lee Kebler open Pandora’s box - the tech edition. This episode’s all about navigating tech disruptions and learning to roll with the punches. From the AWS outage and OpenAI's controversial content policies, to Sora's impact on content creation, Pinterest's AI content controls, and Apple's quiet Vision Pro updates, they deep dive into it all! The AI landscape is evolving faster than you can say the word and so are its implications on content, creativity and commerce. 


Just like Cathy’s travels from Singapore to South Africa, your favourite Tech Magic pair are jetsetting into the world of technology, offering a global perspective on where we’re heading and the ethical questions we need to address.


Cathy Hackl Bio

Cathy Hackl is a globally recognized tech & gaming executive, futurist, and speaker focused on spatial computing, virtual worlds, augmented reality, AI, strategic foresight, and gaming platforms strategy. She’s one of the top tech voices on LinkedIn and is the CEO of Spatial Dynamics, a spatial computing and AI solutions company, including gaming. 

Cathy has worked at Amazon Web Services (AWS), Magic Leap, and HTC VIVE and has advised companies like Nike, Ralph Lauren, Walmart, Louis Vuitton, and Clinique on their emerging tech and gaming journeys. She has spoken at Harvard Business School, MIT, SXSW, Comic-Con, WEF Annual Meeting in Davos 2023, CES, MWC, Vogue’s Forces of Fashion, and more.


Cathy Hackl on LinkedIn

Spatial Dynamics on LinkedIn


Lee Kebler Bio

Lee has been at the forefront of blending technology and entertainment since 2003, creating advanced studios for icons like Will.i.am and producing music for Britney Spears and Big & Rich. Pioneering in VR since 2016, he has managed enterprise data at Nike, led VR broadcasting for Intel at the Japan 2020 Olympics, and driven large-scale marketing campaigns for Walmart, Levi’s, and Nasdaq. A TEDx speaker on enterprise VR, Lee is currently authoring a book on generative AI and delving into splinternet theory and data privacy as new tech laws unfold across the US.


Lee Kebler on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • [00:00] Intro to TechMagic 
  • [01:15] What the Hell AWS? How a Global Outage Caused Chaos
  • [04:30] Going Global: Tech Perspectives from Singapore to South Africa
  • [08:00] OpenAI's Sora 2: Questions of Purpose and Ethics
  • [14:30] Pinterest Takes a Stand Against AI-Generated Content
  • [17:00] OpenAI's Controversial Move into Adult Content
  • [25:30] Apple's Quiet Hardware Updates and Vision Pro Changes
  • [31:00] Gaming Evolution: From Atari to Interactive Documentaries
  • [35:00] Final Thoughts and Future Conference Plans



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1 week ago
38 minutes 5 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Sora 2, AI Ethics, Nintendo Research, Apple Vision Pro, Support Ends for Windows 10 with Lee Kebler and Adam Davis McGee

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Lee Kebler and Adam Davis McGee explore the evolving intersection of AI, creativity, and ethics. Cathy is away this week and will rejoin the show next week. Meanwhile, Lee and Adam delve into OpenAI’s Sora 2 and its implications for digital rights, content authenticity, and ethical innovation. The hosts examine Nintendo’s research on gaming’s cognitive benefits, Apple Vision Pro’s NBA partnership, and the Windows 10 end-of-support scenario. They also discuss AI’s energy consumption and emerging global regulations on intellectual property. Perfect for tech enthusiasts, creators, and industry professionals, this episode provides balanced insights into the opportunities and responsibilities that accompany today’s rapidly evolving digital landscape.


Come for the tech, stay for the magic!


Adam Davis-McGee Bio

Adam Davis-McGee is a dynamic Creative Director and Producer specializing in immersive storytelling across XR and traditional media. As Senior Producer at Journey, he led the virtual studio, pioneering cutting-edge virtual experiences. He developed a Web3 playbook for Yum! Brands, integrating blockchain and NFT strategies. At Condé Nast, Adam produced engaging video content for Wired and Ars Technica, amplifying digital storytelling. His groundbreaking XR journalism project, In Protest: Grassroots Stories from the Frontlines (Oculus/Meta), captured historic moments in VR. Passionate about pushing creative boundaries, Adam thrives on crafting innovative narratives that captivate audiences worldwide.


Adam Davis-McGee on LinkedIn


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro: Welcome to Tech Magic with Lee Kebler and ADM
  • 04:07 Exploring Artist Reactions to AI: Surprising Enthusiasm in LA
  • 08:03 Sora 2: Ethical Concerns and Digital Rights
  • 23:55 AI Content Bias: OpenAI's Power Consumption Story
  • 33:20 Roblox's New Parent Council: Better Late Than Never
  • 38:35 Nintendo Debunks Gaming Myths: Benefits for Attention Span
  • 42:47 Apple Vision Pro: NBA License and VR History
  • 46:41 Windows 10 Support Ending: What Users Need to Know
  • 50:30 Recommendations and Closing Thoughts



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2 weeks ago
47 minutes 36 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
OpenAI’s Sora, Deepfakes, Meta Ray-Bans, AI Startup Boom, and the End of AOL with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler unpack the week’s biggest tech stories, from OpenAI’s latest announcements and Sora’s deepfake potential to Meta’s sold-out Ray-Ban smart glasses. They explore how AI integrations with platforms like Coursera, Canva, and Zillow could reshape how we access and trust information. The hosts also dive into the implications of skyrocketing AI startup valuations and reflect on the end of AOL dial-up, closing a chapter in internet history. Balancing enthusiasm with caution, they challenge listeners to consider the ethical, social, and creative consequences of an increasingly AI-driven world.


Come for the tech and stay for the magic!


Episode Highlights:


  • The Privacy Implications of AI Video Generation – Cathy Hackl’s hands-on test of OpenAI’s Sora exposes major privacy challenges around biometric data and deepfake creation. By simply reading numbers and moving one’s head, users can generate hyper-realistic videos of themselves or others, without consent. While visuals are striking, voice replication remains flawed. Cathy and Lee caution that such tools blur ethical lines, raising urgent questions about consent, authenticity, and data ownership in creative AI adoption.


  • OpenAI’s Vision for Information Control – Lee Kebler dissects OpenAI’s ambition to centralise online experiences through deep integrations with Coursera, Canva, and Zillow. By keeping users inside ChatGPT’s ecosystem, OpenAI could redefine how information flows, but at a cost. Cathy and Lee warn that algorithmic filtering may restrict perspective diversity, amplify bias, and erode the open web’s foundational freedom. Their advice: diversify digital sources to maintain balanced, transparent information access.


  • The Rise of Consumer AR Hardware – Meta’s Ray-Ban smart glasses sell-out reveals the next leap in wearable adoption. Cathy and Lee analyse how fashion-forward design, practical utility, and accessible pricing have made AR more approachable. Positioned between novelty and necessity, these wearables hint at future accessibility, productivity, and communication uses. They stress that long-term success will depend on ergonomic design, battery life, and balancing innovation with real-world wearability.


  • The AI Investment Bubble Warning Signs – Cathy and Lee discuss mounting worries from industry giants like Sam Altman and Jeff Bezos about inflated AI valuations. Unlike past bubbles driven by retail hype, today’s surge stems from institutional overconfidence and misunderstanding of AI fundamentals. Many investors conflate general AI with LLMs, fuelling unrealistic expectations.


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro: Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler
  • 01:44 Testing OpenAI's Sora: Deep Fake Capabilities and Privacy Concerns
  • 15:02 OpenAI's Dev Day: Impressive Tools and Integration Announcements
  • 18:09 The Dark Side of AI Integration: Information Control and Filter Bubbles
  • 25:23 Apple's Vision Pro Updates and Meta's Ray-Ban Success
  • 32:41 Farewell to AOL: The End of Dial-Up Internet Era
  • 34:17 AI Startup Valuations: Warning Signs of a Tech Bubble
  • 38:05 Final Thoughts: Music Recommendations and Show Wrap-Up

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3 weeks ago
36 minutes 47 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Spatial Computing, Apple Vision Pro, Enterprise Collaboration, AI Safety, and LLM Limits with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Tom Acland

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler delve into the latest developments in tech, from Meta’s hardware updates to AI advancements and parental controls. Cathy interviews Tom Acland, CEO at Dassault Systèmes 3DEXCITE. Learn how the Apple Vision Pro is transforming enterprise collaboration and why we're finally reaching the tipping point for widespread adoption of spatial computing technology. Whether you're a tech enthusiast or industry professional, this episode delivers sharp insights into the intersection of AI, spatial computing, and enterprise innovation. Cathy and Lee also discuss why current LLMs won’t lead to superintelligence and they debate the impact of AI on sports.


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Tom Acland Bio


Tom Acland is the CEO at Dassault Systèmes’ 3DEXPERIENCE division, where he drives innovation in enterprise spatial computing and manufacturing. He specialises in bridging engineering and media technology, helping clients like Hyundai, Virgin Galactic, and Deutsche Aircraft bring products to market through advanced visualization and collaboration tools. In this episode, Tom discusses Dassault Systèmes’ work with Apple Vision Pro and their 3D Live app, sharing insights on the future of spatial computing, mixed reality, and transforming enterprise collaboration.


Tom Acland on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Welcome to Tech Magic with Cath Hackl and Lee Kebler
  • 01:40 Meta Connect Reflections and Failed Demos
  • 06:19 OpenAI's Hallucinations: Mathematical Inevitability
  • 08:50 ChatGPT's Parental Controls and Real-World Applications
  • 13:11 The Evolution of AI Music and Creative Tools
  • 16:39 Friend.com: Marketing AI Hardware Without Mentioning AI
  • 19:13 AI Boyfriends and Celebrity Voice Clones
  • 31:37 Baseball's Robot Umpires: Technology vs Tradition
  • 34:22 Interview: Tom Acland on Enterprise Spatial Computing
  • 39:08 Dassault Systèmes' 3D Live App for Apple Vision Pro
  • 42:52 Industries Embracing Spatial Computing Technology
  • 46:28 The Future of Spatial Computing: Next 5-10 Years
  • 50:55 Balancing Innovation with User Trust and Safety
  • 54:10 Final Thoughts and Media Recommendations



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1 month ago
49 minutes 43 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Meta Connect, Intel-NVIDIA Deal, Waymo Autonomous Ride, TikTok Oracle Talks, and AR Glasses with Lee Kebler and Nic Hill

In this episode of TechMagic, host Lee Kebler is joined by Nic Hill, co-founder and Chief Innovation Officer of Sawhorse Productions, to explore the latest tech developments shaping our digital world. Together, they break down Meta Connect’s memorable moments and mobile-first pivot with Horizon Worlds, Intel’s surprising $5B partnership with NVIDIA, and Lee’s first-hand experience with Waymo’s autonomous vehicles. The discussion also covers TikTok’s potential acquisition by Oracle and the future of AR glasses and spatial computing. With insider insights and thoughtful analysis, Lee and Nic unpack how legacy tech companies are navigating rapid innovation, offering a must-listen guide for tech enthusiasts and professionals alike. Cathy is away this week and will rejoin the show next week.


Come for the tech and stay for the magic!


Lee Kebler Bio:

Lee has been at the forefront of blending technology and entertainment since 2003, creating advanced studios for icons like Will.i.am and producing music for Britney Spears and Big & Rich. Pioneering in VR since 2016, he has managed enterprise data at Nike, led VR broadcasting for Intel at the Japan 2020 Olympics, and driven large-scale marketing campaigns for Walmart, Levi’s, and Nasdaq. A TEDx speaker on enterprise VR, Lee is currently authoring a book on generative AI and delving into splinternet theory and data privacy as new tech laws unfold across the US.

Lee Kebler on LinkedIn


Nic Hill Bio:

Nic Hill is the Co-Founder and Chief Innovation Officer at Sawhorse Productions, a full-service production and post house specialising in branded content, commercials, and scripted and non-scripted shows. With over 12 years of experience, Nic has assembled a talented team of experts in video production, editing, and comedy. Passionate about immersive metaverse experiences that blur the line between film and gaming, he delivers innovative content for leading brands, studios, and agencies worldwide. Previously, Nic worked as an independent film director and editor, creating internationally acclaimed documentaries. Based in Los Angeles, he enjoys DJing, biking, and family time.


Nic Hill on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro & Welcome from LA
  • 05:31 Inside MetaConnect: A Front Row Perspective
  • 08:15 Meta's Smart Glasses Evolution & Design Strategy
  • 21:27 Horizon Worlds' Mobile-First Transformation
  • 33:35 First-Hand Experience with Waymo's Self-Driving Cars
  • 40:45 NVIDIA's $5B Investment in Intel: Gaming's Future
  • 44:30 Oracle's TikTok Acquisition & Social Media Shifts
  • 51:25 The Smart Glasses Arms Race: Amazon & OpenAI Enter
  • 55:31 Final Thoughts: Alien Earth & AI Evolution



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1 month ago
53 minutes 54 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Meta Connect, Ray-Ban AI Glasses, Amazon’s Smart Eyewear, Nintendo’s Virtual Boy Revival, and AI Superintelligence with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler explore the future of hardware innovation, from Meta’s anticipated Connect event to Nintendo’s bold gaming moves. They unpack Meta’s AI-powered smart glasses collaborations, Amazon’s push into wearable tech, and Nintendo’s surprising Virtual Boy revival. Alongside hardware news, Cathy and Lee examine the deeper cultural and societal shifts at play, and how AI-driven personal superintelligence could reshape user experience, privacy, and even fashion. Packed with insider insights, this episode highlights why hardware is no longer just functional but increasingly a cultural statement at the intersection of technology and humanity.


  • Next in Vogue Singapore: https://vogue.sg/nextinvogue/
  • Singularity Summit South Africa: https://singularitysouthafricasummit.org/


Come for the tech, stay for the magic.


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro: Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler
  • 02:03 Apple's Disappointing Hardware Event: A Missed Opportunity
  • 06:28 Meta Connect Preview: The Hypernova Moment for AI and XR
  • 11:15 Meta's Smart Glasses Strategy: From Ray-Ban to Luxury Brands
  • 17:30 The Vision for Personal Superintelligence and AI Evolution
  • 28:00 Social Media's Algorithm Problem: A Facebook Case Study
  • 36:50 The Hardware Race Heats Up: Amazon, HTC, and Samsung Join In
  • 37:15 Nintendo's Virtual Boy Revival: A Controversial Return
  • 44:10 Smart Game Pricing: Hollow Knight's Market Strategy Success
  • 53:15 Final Thoughts: The Future of Tech, Media Recommendations, and Closing

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1 month ago
46 minutes 52 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Moon Communications, Space Commerce, AI Wearables, Gaming Safety, and Global Esports with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Thierry Klein

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler explore the future of space and digital entertainment, and discuss AI-driven space operations, Roblox’s expansion with 100,000-player servers, and Paramount’s Call of Duty film adaptation. From esports acquisitions shaping global markets to safety and privacy in AI wearables, the conversation touches on several key tech trends that are influencing our world. Cathy interviews Thierry Klein, President of Bell Labs Solutions Research at Nokia. They uncover how Nokia built the first cellular network on the moon, laying the foundation for a sustainable lunar economy and future Mars missions.


Come for the tech and stay for the magic!



Thierry Klein Bio


Thierry Klein is the President of Bell Labs Solutions Research at Nokia, a pioneering figure in space communications and network infrastructure. With extensive experience in telecommunications and space technology, Klein leads research initiatives focused on AI, Web3, and new device technologies at the historic Bell Labs, which is celebrating its centennial year. He has played a pivotal role in delivering the first cellular network on the moon during the Intuitive Machines' IM2 mission, marking a historic milestone in space communications.


Thierry Klein on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro and Show Updates
  • 02:20 Nokia's Innovation Campus in Finland - A Hub for Future Tech
  • 04:44 Space Technology and Lunar Networks - Nokia's Groundbreaking Mission
  • 27:36 Building the First Cellular Network on the Moon 
  • 35:36 Transforming Astronaut Operations with Advanced Communications
  • 40:41 The Future of Lunar Economy and Infrastructure
  • 48:46 Interplanetary Communications and the Space Internet
  • 55:13 AI's Role in Space Operations and Networks
  • 01:10 Roblox Developer Conference Updates and Safety Features
  • 01:19 Gaming Industry Updates: Call of Duty Movie and EVO Tournament News
  • 01:27 Wearable AI Technology Review and Future Outlook
  • 01:30 Closing Thoughts and Show Wrap-up



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1 month ago
1 hour 24 minutes 18 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Digg Relaunch, AI Ethics, Online Trust, Platform Safety, and Human Connection with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Kevin Rose

In this exciting return of TechMagic in season 3, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler sit down with Kevin Rose, founder of Digg and partner at True Ventures, to explore the future of digital communities and human-first technology. Together, they discuss the ambitious Digg relaunch in partnership with Reddit’s co-founder, Alexis Ohanian, the challenges of building trust and safety on online platforms, and the disruptive role of AI in shaping content and jobs. 


From redefining how we talk about AI “hallucinations” to highlighting the rising importance of authentic human connection, this episode provides fresh insights into the evolving relationship between technology, community, and our shared digital future.


Come for the Tech, stay for the Magic!


What you will learn:

  • Building Trust in Digital Communities
  • The Power of Niche Communities
  • Strategic AI Integration
  • The Return to Real-World Connection


Kevin Rose Bio

Kevin Rose is a pioneering tech entrepreneur, investor, and partner at True Ventures. He is best known as the founder of Digg, the first major social news platform. Over his 25+ year career, he has launched and led multiple ventures, including Revision3 (acquired by Discovery), Zero (the leading intermittent fasting app), and served as CEO of Hodinkee. Rose has been an early angel investor in Twitter, Square, Facebook, and more, earning recognition from Bloomberg, Forbes, MIT, and Time as one of the most influential figures in tech. His focus today is building trustworthy, human-first digital communities and advancing the future of online platforms.

Kevin Rose on LinkedIn 1

Kevin Rose on LinkedIn 2


Key Discussion Topics:

  • 00:00 Welcome to Tech Magic Season 3
  • 03:19 Adventures in Finland & India: Cathy's Global Tech Journey
  • 07:05 ChatGPT Drama: Checking on AI Boyfriends
  • 12:12 Kevin Rose Interview: The Return of Digg
  • 18:22 Building Trust in Digital Communities
  • 28:30 The Future of In-Person Meetups
  • 32:19 AI Integration & Human Connection
  • 39:16 Meta Connect & Smart Glasses Privacy Concerns
  • 42:17 The Roblox Safety Debate
  • 51:32 AWS vs. Salesforce: The Entry-Level Jobs Controversy
  • 59:26 Finding Balance in a Tech-Saturated World
  • 01:13:14 Final Thoughts: Gratitude & Music Recommendations

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2 months ago
1 hour 14 minutes 15 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Embedded Finance, Digital Wallets, AI Agents, and Payment Innovation in 2025 with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Special Guest Nabil Manji

Cathy and Lee are taking a break this month, and August is Greatest Hits time on TechMagic as we pull out some special episodes from our vault. In this Greatest Hits episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler unpack the cutting-edge innovations transforming finance and commerce in 2025. Along with special guest Nabil Manji, SVP of Fintech Growth at Worldpay, the trio discusses the rise of digital wallets and embedded finance, as well as the power of AI agents and real-time payments. They explore how technology is redefining money movement on a global scale and tackle the impact of quantum computing on payment security. They look at the challenges of AI safety and what companies like Shopify are doing to lead the charge. A must-listen for anyone curious about the future of fintech.


What you will learn:

  • How digital wallets are transforming global commerce
  • Why embedded finance is revolutionizing delivery of financial services to customers
  • The evolution of real-time payments across different global markets 
  • How AI agents are reshaping commerce through automated purchasing 
  • Why stablecoins are emerging as a crucial tool for cross-border payments 
  • The impact of quantum computing on payment security 
  • The challenges facing traditional retail experiences 
  • Current concerns around AI chatbots and the need for stronger safety measures
  • The growing pains of emerging tech trends, from Nintendo's preorder challenges to Meta's AI controversies


Come for the tech, stay for the magic!


Nabil Manji Bio

Nabil Manji is the Senior Vice President and Head of Fintech Growth and Financial Partnerships at Worldpay, where he leads strategic initiatives in emerging payment technologies and financial partnerships. With extensive experience in the payments industry, he oversees how Worldpay collaborates with banks, fintech companies, and card networks to shape the future of money movement. His expertise in payment infrastructure and involvement in Worldpay's Global Payments Report make him uniquely qualified to discuss how technological innovations are transforming the way we think about and handle transactions in an increasingly digital world. His strategic vision for the intersection of technology and finance provides valuable 


insights for businesses and professionals interested in the future of payments and financial technology.

Nabil Manji on LinkedIn


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl & Lee Kebler
  • 02:44 AI & Mental Health: The Rise of Digital Therapy Solutions
  • 09:51 Nintendo Switch 2: When Preorders Go Wrong
  • 18:06 Slate Auto: Reimagining the Electric Truck
  • 25:44 The Three Pillars of AI in Payments with Nabil Manji
  • 39:37 Digital Wallets: The Evolution of Modern Payment Methods
  • 46:20 Cryptocurrency as Payment Infrastructure
  • 49:20 Understanding Embedded Commerce & Finance
  • 53:57 Quantum Computing's Impact on Payment Security
  • 01:03:47 Meta AI Controversy: Safety Concerns & Celebrity Voices

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2 months ago
1 hour 9 minutes 6 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
AI Photo Tracking, AR Marketing, Spatial Computing, and Humanoid Robots with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Special Guest Tom Emrich

Cathy and Lee are taking a break this month, and August is Greatest Hits time on TechMagic as we pull out some special episodes from our vault. In this Greatest Hits episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler unpack viral AI trends, privacy concerns surrounding ChatGPT's photo location capabilities, and the future of spatial computing with special guest Tom Emrich, author of "The Next Dimension." They discuss the marketing power of augmented reality, including Avon’s 320% sales boost, and examine the evolution from smartphone-based AR to smart glasses and mixed reality. Tom introduces the “Play, Pilot, Proof” framework and explains why “presence” is the new P in marketing. It’s a compelling look at how digital and physical worlds are fast converging.


What you will learn:

  • How AI tools like ChatGPT can identify photo locations with striking accuracy
  • Why the "em dash" has become a telltale sign of AI-generated content
  • The significance of "presence" as the new P in marketing 
  • How dark factories are revolutionizing manufacturing with robot-only operations
  • Why brands need to follow the "Play, Pilot, Proof" framework 
  • How spatial computing is transforming from smartphone-based AR to wearable devices 
  • The implications of viral AI trends for privacy and data collection
  • The potential impact of AI replacing white-collar workers and C-suite executives
  • How brands can leverage AR for marketing with conversion rate increases of up to 320%


Come for the tech, stay for the magic!


Tom Emrich Bio

Tom Emrich is a pioneering product leader in spatial computing with over 15 years of experience in AR, VR, and wearables. He’s helped shape the future of human-technology interaction through roles at Meta and Niantic, where he led AR platform strategy, launched industry-first AR Ads, and introduced mixed reality experiences. As the author of The Next Dimension, Tom offers a definitive guide to using AR for business growth. He’s also an investor, startup advisor, and ecosystem builder, known for founding We Are Wearables and co-producing AWE. A recognized thought leader, Tom’s insights have been featured in Forbes, CNN, and The New York Times.


Tom Emrich on LinkedIn

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Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler
  • 04:45 AI Trends: From Studio Ghibli to Dogs as Humans
  • 08:25 ChatGPT's Photo Location Detection: Privacy Concerns Revealed
  • 17:35 The Em Dash: How to Spot AI-Generated Content
  • 25:30 Should You Say "Please" and "Thank You" to AI?
  • 35:38 Interview: Tom Emrich on The Next Dimension of AR Marketing
  • 40:51 How AR is Transforming the Marketing Funnel
  • 44:29 The Evolution of Spatial Computing Hardware
  • 50:13 "Presence" - The New P in Marketing
  • 56:10 Humanoid Robots and Dark Factories: The Future of Manufacturing



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2 months ago
1 hour 6 minutes 21 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Trending in Tech: AI, Gaming, Fashion’s High-Tech Future, Vibe Coding, and More with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Special Guest Melissa Medina

Cathy and Lee are on leave this month, and August is Greatest Hits time on TechMagic as we pull out some special episodes from our vault. In this Greatest Hits episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler explore cutting-edge innovations, from AI agents to Meta’s fashion-forward Ray-Ban smart glasses. Special guest Melissa Medina, CEO of eMerge Americas, discusses South Florida’s rise as a global tech hub and previews their upcoming conference featuring industry leaders like Palmer Luckey and Daymond John. The hosts also dive into gaming news from GDC, NVIDIA’s latest advancements, and the evolution of "vibe coding" in software development. Packed with industry insights and engaging discussions, this episode is a must-listen for tech enthusiasts, developers, and innovation leaders alike.


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Melissa Medina Bio


Melissa Medina Jiménez is the co-founder, CEO, and President of eMerge Americas, a venture-backed platform transforming Miami into a global tech hub. Under her leadership, the annual eMerge Americas conference has grown to attract 20,000+ attendees from over 50 countries. A University of Florida graduate, Melissa also studied at ESADE in Barcelona. She is a partner at Medina Ventures and leads the Medina Family Foundation. Passionate about innovation and community impact, she champions Miami’s tech growth while raising her five children.


Melissa Medina on LinkedIn

eMerge Americas Website


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl & Lee Kebler
  • 02:09 The Hidden Musical Talents of Tech Leaders - Lee's Harmonica Journey
  • 06:55 Inside DC's Tech Scene: AI Summit & Chip Diplomacy Discussions 
  • 13:14 The Global AI Race: Who Will Be #3 After US and China?
  • 19:35 South by Southwest 2024: Music Takes Center Stage
  • 31:02 Gaming Industry Updates: GDC Preview & Nintendo Switch News
  • 38:37 Meta's Fashion Future: Partnership with Coperni for Smart Glasses
  • 43:25 The Rise of AI Agents: From Simple Tasks to Complex Automation
  • 53:54 The Evolution of Coding: From Machine Language to AI-Assisted Development
  • 1:00:19 Special Interview: Melissa Medina on Miami's Tech Transformation
  • 1:11:53 Key Takeaways & Looking Ahead to Future Tech Developments



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2 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes 51 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
AI Scandals, Scam Ads, Cannes Lions, DM9 and Integrity: Ryan Joe, Rebecca Stewart, and Audrey Kemp Break It Down

While TechMagic hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler are on vacation, they spotlight a must-hear episode of Adspeak by Adweek. In this episode, Ryan Joe speaks with Adweek’s Rebecca Stewart and Audrey Kemp to unpack the fallout from Cannes Lions 2023, where AI-manipulated case studies led to major award revocations, most notably involving agency DM9. The trio explores how AI is reshaping creative submissions, the ethics of “scam ads,” and the introduction of new global integrity standards. For marketers, creatives, and agency leaders, this episode offers an urgent look into the future of advertising awards in an AI-driven world.


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Ryan Joe Bio

Ryan Joe is the Editor-in-Chief of Adweek, serving as the episode's primary host. With deep industry knowledge, he guides the discussion on award integrity and evolving standards in advertising recognition, particularly in light of recent controversies involving AI and creative submissions.

Ryan Joe on LinkedIn


Rebecca Stewart Bio

Rebecca Stewart is the Brand Editor at Adweek, bringing extensive expertise in advertising awards and industry recognition programs. Her in-depth knowledge of the Cannes Lions ecosystem and award evaluation processes provides valuable context on both historical practices and emerging challenges in creative recognition.

Rebecca Stewart on LinkedIn


Audrey Kemp Bio

Audre Kemp is Adweek's Agency Reporter, specializing in investigating and reporting on industry developments. Her detailed coverage of the DM9 controversy and subsequent changes to Cannes Lions' integrity standards offers crucial insights into the evolving landscape of advertising awards and accountability.

Audrey Kemp on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro: Welcome to Tech Magic's Special Episode
  • 02:51 Understanding the Cannes Lions Award Hierarchy
  • 06:17 Inside the Award Submission Process
  • 09:38 The Rise of "Cannes Bait" and Scam Ads
  • 12:48 DM9's AI Scandal: How It Unfolded
  • 18:20 New Global Integrity Standards at Cannes
  • 21:45 Balancing Creativity with Commercial Impact
  • 24:48 Final Thoughts: The Future of Industry Awards



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3 months ago
26 minutes

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Meta’s Neural Bracelet, Nintendo Switch 2, Apple’s Liquid Glass, Food Insecurity Tech, and AI Metadata with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Johanna Salazar

In the season finale of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler unpack the latest tech trends, from  Meta’s neural interface bracelet and Apple’s liquid glass UI redesign to Nintendo Switch 2’s record-breaking launch. They’re joined by special guest Johanna Salazar, co-founder of FoodStream Network, who shares her mission to build human-centered tech that addresses food insecurity and fosters community. 


The episode also explores pressing topics, including metadata copyright in AI training, the future of voice communication, and why inclusive, bilingual platforms are crucial in today’s global digital ecosystem. With industry insights and bold predictions, Cathy, Lee, and Johanna offer a powerful close to the season and tease what’s ahead when the show returns in September.


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Johanna Salazar Bio


Johanna Salazar is a media executive, tech founder, and strategist with over 20 years of experience leading innovation at Viacom, MTV, Paramount, and IMG. She oversaw national production for MLS Season Pass on AppleTV and has built high-performing teams across global media and tech. As Co-Founder of FoodStream Network and Two Goats, she blends emerging tech, content, and community to drive impact. Born in Colombia, Johanna hosts The Media Machine podcast and champions systems that serve people and the planet.


Johanna Salazar on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Welcome to TechMagic Season 2 Finale
  • 01:30 The Evolution of Tech: From VR to AI's Dominance
  • 11:45 Meta's Neural Interface & The Future of Wearable Tech
  • 16:35 Nintendo Switch 2: Breaking Sales Records Despite Limited Launch
  • 22:15 Interview with Johanna Salazar: From Media to Tech Innovation
  • 27:14 The Four Pillars Framework: Profits, Process, People & Planet
  • 30:51 FoodStream Network: Building Tech Solutions for Food Security
  • 40:25 Apple's Liquid Glass UI: Design Challenges and Vision Pro Connection
  • 48:05 AI Fatigue & The Metadata Copyright Question
  • 54:49 Looking Ahead: Space Communications & Season 3 Preview
  • 56:47 Manhattan Jazz Quintet & Season Finale Sign-off



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3 months ago
54 minutes 7 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Mixed Reality Headsets, Jason Momoa’s CPG Pivot, NASA x Oakley, Gen Z Careers, and Gaming AI with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Jeff Shardell

On this TechMagic episode, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler welcome Jeff Shardell, founder and CEO of Humble Brands, to hear about his journey from leading at Google to redefining sustainability in the CPG world. Jeff shares how his tech background shaped his approach to eco-friendly product design, scaling consumer goods, and building an authentic celebrity partnership with Jason Momoa. 


Cathy and Lee also dive into cutting-edge mixed reality news, from ByteDance’s lightweight Pico headset to Oakley’s NASA visor collaboration. Plus, how Gen Z’s gaming habits are reshaping career paths. With updates on AI’s impact on gaming jobs and Roblox’s new adult dating features, this episode bridges the worlds of innovation, sustainability, and immersive tech. The hosts also preview what’s coming in Season 3 after their summer break.


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Jeff Shardell Bio


Jeff Shardell is the CEO and Founder of Humble Brands, a sustainable personal care company known for its natural deodorants and eco-friendly packaging. With a distinguished background in tech leadership, including roles at Google during its early growth phase and Netscape, Jeff leveraged his experience scaling companies to revolutionize the CPG (Consumer Packaged Goods) industry. He co-founded gloss.com, which was later acquired by Estée Lauder, before launching Humble Brands with a mission to create better-for-you personal care products while reducing environmental impact.


Jeff Shardell on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro and Welcome Back, Cathy
  • 04:15 Music, AI and the Future of Live Entertainment
  • 13:12 AI's Impact on Gaming: Candy Crush Layoffs & Industry Changes
  • 29:18 Jeff Shardell: From Google Executive to Humble Brands Founder
  • 35:00 Building Authentic Celebrity Partnerships in CPG
  • 40:23 Sustainable Innovation: Beyond Plastic Packaging
  • 51:35 ByteDance's New Mixed Reality Hardware & Industry Trends
  • 56:20 Space Tech: Oakley's NASA Visor Collaboration
  • 01:00:31 Gen Z Gaming Skills Becoming Career Opportunities
  • 01:07:08 Season Wrap-up & Summer Break Announcement



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3 months ago
1 hour 50 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
AI Deepfakes, Danish AI Laws, Apple Vision Pro, Meta Quest Zoom, and Atari vs ChatGPT with Lee Kebler and Adam Davis McGee

In this episode of TechMagic, Cathy Hackl is on vacation so host Lee Kebler is joined by Adam Davis McGee, where they unpack the latest tech headlines shaping the future of AI, VR, and gaming. They break down Senator Marco Rubio's call for AI regulation following a deepfake incident and Denmark’s trailblazing AI liability laws. The duo also explores Apple Vision Pro’s potential design upgrades, the unexpected Zoom integration in Meta Quest, and Nintendo’s controversial Switch 2 game key card approach. Plus, they discuss how Atari’s 1979 chess program outwits ChatGPT, revealing current AI limits. Tune in for sharp insights on the evolving balance between tech innovation and responsibility.


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Lee Kebler Bio


Lee has been at the forefront of blending technology and entertainment since 2003, creating advanced studios for icons like Will.i.am and producing music for Britney Spears and Big & Rich. Pioneering in VR since 2016, he has managed enterprise data at Nike, led VR broadcasting for Intel at the Japan 2020 Olympics, and driven large-scale marketing campaigns for Walmart, Levi’s, and Nasdaq. A TEDx speaker on enterprise VR, Lee is currently authoring a book on generative AI and delving into splinternet theory and data privacy as new tech laws unfold across the US.


Lee Kebler on LinkedIn


Adam Davis-McGee Bio


Adam Davis-McGee is a dynamic Creative Director and Producer specializing in immersive storytelling across XR and traditional media. As Senior Producer at Journey, he led the virtual studio, pioneering cutting-edge virtual experiences. He developed a Web3 playbook for Yum! Brands, integrating blockchain and NFT strategies. At Condé Nast, Adam produced engaging video content for Wired and Ars Technica, amplifying digital storytelling. His groundbreaking XR journalism project, In Protest: Grassroots Stories from the Frontlines (Oculus/Meta), captured historic moments in VR. Passionate about pushing creative boundaries, Adam thrives on crafting innovative narratives that captivate audiences worldwide.


Adam Davis-McGee on LinkedIn


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro: Welcome to Tech Magic with Lee Kebler and ADM
  • 03:25 AI Regulation: From Political Confusion to Real Action
  • 17:15 The Rise of AI-Generated Music and Content Authentication
  • 37:10 The Hidden Cost of AI: Electricity Bills Spike Across 13 States
  • 41:45 Apple Vision Pro: Design Missteps and Future Updates
  • 50:05 Meta Quest's Evolution: From Gaming to Zoom Integration
  • 54:30 When Old Meets New: Atari Chess vs Modern AI
  • 58:20 Nintendo Switch Key Cards: Digital vs Physical Gaming Culture
  • 01:02:00 Final Thoughts & Show Wrap-up



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3 months ago
52 minutes 50 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
My Interview with two Humanoid Robots about Love

Imagine a future where the emerging tech radically transforms human dating experiences.

On this episode of TechMagic, tech futurist Cathy Hackl explores first hand the future of love and dating in the age of AI and humanoid robots. Cathy’s experiment with AI matchmaking shows its impact and limitations on human connections. The hosts discuss the importance of preserving human interactions and communications using the AI tech.


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Cathy Hackl Bio


Cathy Hackl is a globally recognized tech & gaming executive, futurist, and speaker focused on spatial computing, virtual worlds, augmented reality, AI, strategic foresight, and gaming platforms strategy. She’s one of the top tech voices on LinkedIn and is the CEO of Spatial Dynamics, a spatial computing and AI solutions company, including gaming. 

Cathy has worked at Amazon Web Services (AWS), Magic Leap, and HTC VIVE and has advised companies like Nike, Ralph Lauren, Walmart, Louis Vuitton, and Clinique on their emerging tech and gaming journeys. She has spoken at Harvard Business School, MIT, SXSW, Comic-Con, WEF Annual Meeting in Davos 2023, CES, MWC, Vogue’s Forces of Fashion, and more. 


Cathy Hackl on LinkedIn

Spatial Dynamics on LinkedIn



Lee Kebler Bio


Lee has been at the forefront of blending technology and entertainment since 2003, creating advanced studios for icons like Will.i.am and producing music for Britney Spears and Big & Rich. Pioneering in VR since 2016, he has managed enterprise data at Nike, led VR broadcasting for Intel at the Japan 2020 Olympics, and driven large-scale marketing campaigns for Walmart, Levi’s, and Nasdaq. A TEDx speaker on enterprise VR, Lee is currently authoring a book on generative AI and delving into splinternet theory and data privacy as new tech laws unfold across the US.


Lee Kebler on LinkedIn



Episode Highlights:


  • Cathy Interviews Two Humanoid Robots - Cathy speaks with two humanoid robots on love and connection, gaining insights into how AI is responding to questions all about love 


  • The Impact of AI in Modern Dating - Cathy shares an insightful perspective about the need for human connection over dating a humanoid robot. She highlights the reality of the dating space which is to find warmth, connection and presence which isn’t provided by AI.


  • The AI Dating Models - Cathy discusses one of her experiments with AI matchmaking which was to bring two people together at a TED event she attended  and find out if they are a match, she finds out that the couple who were a match met a day prior and had experienced a connection. This result emphasized the important need for humans - connection. The future is about presence and human connection.


  • The Humanoid Love -  Cathy talks about her latest experience with dating four AIs - Chad (Chad GPT), Jim (Gemini, Google), Mateo (Meta AI), and Claude from Anthropic. She shares how much fun the experiment is and how it is shaping her view about love.



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 27:10 AI and The Future of Relationships
  • 28:08 Human Connections or AI attachments?
  • 28:44 AI Matchmaking Experiment at TED
  • 29:50 The Humanoid Love Experiment 



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3 months ago
7 minutes 9 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Smart Glasses, Policy and State of AI in DC, Nintendo Glitches, Salesforce’s AI Leap, and Meta vs. OpenAI with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler

On this TechMagic episode, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler break down the latest trends shaping our AI-powered future, as well as the policy and state of AI in DC. From Meta’s $100M AI recruitment strategies to their game-changing partnerships with Oakley and Prada for smart glasses, the duo explores how AI and hardware innovation are converging. They unpack the ethical and emotional nuances of human-AI relationships, the rise of AI-generated content, and how companies like Salesforce are integrating AI into core operations. Additionally, they discuss the Nintendo Switch 2’s distribution challenges and Meta’s ambitious hardware plans. Whether it’s corporate AI integration, wearable tech, or the battle for AI talent, this episode offers a sharp look at the risks and opportunities driving tech’s next chapter.


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Cathy Hackl Bio

Cathy Hackl is a globally recognized tech & gaming executive, futurist, and speaker focused on spatial computing, virtual worlds, augmented reality, AI, strategic foresight, and gaming platforms strategy. She’s one of the top tech voices on LinkedIn and is the CEO of Spatial Dynamics, a spatial computing and AI solutions company, including gaming. 


Cathy has worked at Amazon Web Services (AWS), Magic Leap, and HTC VIVE and has advised companies like Nike, Ralph Lauren, Walmart, Louis Vuitton, and Clinique on their emerging tech and gaming journeys. She has spoken at Harvard Business School, MIT, SXSW, Comic-Con, WEF Annual Meeting in Davos 2023, CES, MWC, Vogue’s Forces of Fashion, and more. 


Cathy Hackl on LinkedIn

Spatial Dynamics on LinkedIn



Lee Kebler Bio


Lee has been at the forefront of blending technology and entertainment since 2003, creating advanced studios for icons like Will.i.am and producing music for Britney Spears and Big & Rich. Pioneering in VR since 2016, he has managed enterprise data at Nike, led VR broadcasting for Intel at the Japan 2020 Olympics, and driven large-scale marketing campaigns for Walmart, Levi’s, and Nasdaq. A TEDx speaker on enterprise VR, Lee is currently authoring a book on generative AI and delving into splinternet theory and data privacy as new tech laws unfold across the US.


Lee Kebler on LinkedIn


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl & Lee Kebler
  • 04:12 The Dangers of AI Relationships: Why We Need Human Connection
  • 11:18 AI Regulation Debate: States' Rights vs Federal Control
  • 15:13 DC's Rising Role as a Tech Power Center
  • 23:54 Meta's Quest 3S Xbox Edition: A Game-Changing Partnership
  • 28:40 Nintendo Switch 2's Success and Hardware Challenges
  • 36:50 Meta vs OpenAI: The $100M Talent War
  • 43:12 Meta's Smart Glasses Evolution: Oakley & Prada Partnership
  • 48:00 Coming Next Week: Dating Robots & AI Love Stories

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4 months ago
47 minutes 52 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Dating AI, Loving Human: Exploring AI Relationships, Meta’s New Tech Partnerships, Inside AWE, and Military AI with Cathy Hackl, Lee Kebler, and Adam Davis McGee

On this TechMagic episode, hosts Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler unpack the complex relationship between humans and AI, from Cathy’s immersive week dating four AI boyfriends to growing concerns around AI-generated content. Cathy dives into the strange world of vibe coding and discovers anyone can gamify the pitfalls of the dating scene. The discussion spans Meta’s new smart eyewear partnerships with Oakley and Prada, VRChat’s innovative brand integration with Sawhorse Studios, and alarming developments in military AI contracts. With Adam Davis McGee joining the conversation, the trio also shares insider highlights from AWE (Augmented World Expo). Together, they explore how AI is reshaping creativity, jobs, and relationships, while emphasizing the importance of preserving human connection and authenticity in a rapidly evolving digital landscape.


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Cathy Hackl on LinkedIn

Spatial Dynamics on LinkedIn

Lee Kebler on LinkedIn

Adam Davis-McGee on LinkedIn


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl and Lee Kebler
  • 02:48 Dating AI: Inside the Experiment with Four Virtual Boyfriends
  • 08:24 The Limitations of Perfect: When AI Gets Too Performative
  • 17:22 Digital Dopamine: The Psychology of AI Relationships
  • 23:48 Tech Meets Military: The Rise of AI Defense Contracts
  • 31:10 AI Content Saturation and the Return to Human Connection
  • 39:22 Doubling Down on Human Skills in an AI World
  • 45:13 Meta's Smart Glasses and VRChat's Brand Evolution
  • 52:04 Nostalgia Goes Virtual: Classic 3D Experiences in VR
  • 56:45 Final Thoughts: Finding Balance Between Tech and Human Connection



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4 months ago
1 hour 1 minute 10 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
Meta XR, Snap Glasses, AI Dating, Apple AR, and Story Living with Cathy Hackl and Adam Davis McGee

In this episode of TechMagic, hosts Cathy Hackl and Adam Davis McGee dive into the cutting edge of spatial computing, AI, and extended reality. Lee is on sick leave this week and we wish him a speedy recovery! Join Cathy and Adam as they unpack Meta’s XR partnership with Palmer Luckey, Snap’s smart glasses ambitions, and Apple’s sleek AR design strategy. Cathy dives into the strange world of vibe coding and discovers anyone can gamify the pitfalls of the dating scene. The conversation also explores AI dating experiments, haptic tech in entertainment, and the evolving ethics of privacy in a spatially connected world. With insights from AWE and ILMxLAB, the hosts reflect on the shift from storytelling to “story living” and highlight key legislation shaping AI security. A must-listen for anyone tracking the future of tech-human interaction.


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Cathy Hackl Bio

Cathy Hackl is a globally recognized tech & gaming executive, futurist, and speaker focused on spatial computing, virtual worlds, augmented reality, AI, strategic foresight, and gaming platforms strategy. She’s one of the top tech voices on LinkedIn and is the CEO of Spatial Dynamics, a spatial computing and AI solutions company, including gaming. 


Cathy has worked at Amazon Web Services (AWS), Magic Leap, and HTC VIVE and has advised companies like Nike, Ralph Lauren, Walmart, Louis Vuitton, and Clinique on their emerging tech and gaming journeys. She has spoken at Harvard Business School, MIT, SXSW, Comic-Con, WEF Annual Meeting in Davos 2023, CES, MWC, Vogue’s Forces of Fashion, and more. 


Cathy Hackl on LinkedIn

Spatial Dynamics on LinkedIn


Adam Davis-McGee Bio

Adam Davis-McGee is a dynamic Creative Director and Producer specializing in immersive storytelling across XR and traditional media. As Senior Producer at Journey, he led the virtual studio, pioneering cutting-edge virtual experiences. He developed a Web3 playbook for Yum! Brands, integrating blockchain and NFT strategies. At Condé Nast, Adam produced engaging video content for Wired and Ars Technica, amplifying digital storytelling. His groundbreaking XR journalism project, In Protest: Grassroots Stories from the Frontlines (Oculus/Meta), captured historic moments in VR. Passionate about pushing creative boundaries, Adam thrives on crafting innovative narratives that captivate audiences worldwide.


Adam Davis-McGee on LinkedIn


Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro: Welcome to Tech Magic with Cathy Hackl
  • 06:33 Meta's Eagle Eye: Military XR Partnership with Palmer Luckey
  • 14:05 Apple's Liquid Glass: Paving the Way for AR Glasses
  • 17:25 Haptic Innovation: Apple's F1 Movie Trailer Experience
  • 19:18 Human vs AI: Why F1 Racing Needs the Human Element
  • 22:27 Browser History Dating: AI's Latest Match-Making Experiment
  • 26:27 Snap's Vision: Consumer Smart Glasses Coming in 2026
  • 31:27 From Storytelling to Story Living: ILMxLAB's Immersive Future
  • 33:54 Closing Thoughts: Summer Break Announcement



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4 months ago
29 minutes 53 seconds

TechMagic with Cathy Hackl
TechMagic with Cathy Hackl helps you navigate the future and make sense of today’s rapid technological change. Hear unique perspectives, explore new trends, and journey into the heart of technology. TechMagic is a must-listen for anyone passionate about the future of tech because Arthur C. Clarke said it best: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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