We welcome John Gertz to the podcast. John is the former President of the Foundation for Investing in Research on SETI Science and Technology and former Chairman of the Board of the SETI Institute. We discuss his new book, Reinventing SETI: New Directions in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. We discuss the outdated SETI paradigms such as Fermi's Paradox, the Drake Equation, and METI, as John argues that scientists should approach the pursuit of extraterrestrials in a more effective manner. We also discuss what happens when we finally make contact on a global level and so much more.

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