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Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Mark Creaser and Siam Kidd
43 episodes
1 week ago
The podcast for anyone building, investing in, or obsessed with Bittensor. Hosted by Mark Creaser and Siam Kidd from DSV Fund, Revenue Search goes inside the subnets to ask the important questions about revenue - not just hype. If you’re betting on the future of distributed AI - or building it - this is your signal.
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The podcast for anyone building, investing in, or obsessed with Bittensor. Hosted by Mark Creaser and Siam Kidd from DSV Fund, Revenue Search goes inside the subnets to ask the important questions about revenue - not just hype. If you’re betting on the future of distributed AI - or building it - this is your signal.
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Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Tom & Will from Bitcast: Subnet 93

This Revenue Search jumps into a deep-dive with Bitcast (Tom & Will). Bitcast pitches itself not as an agency but a decentralised ad tooling layer that lets brands brief creators at scale, with AI verifying message-fit and rewards tied to real attention (watch time/eyeballs via official platform data), not vanity metrics. They share traction to date (hundreds of Bittensor videos, ~hundreds of thousands of views, big watch-time) and the blockers they’ve been fixing: a no-code miner (optional, 5% fee) to onboard non-technical creators, a social-proofed website + multilingual outreach, and a scalable “ad read” model where brands pre-fund a budget that creators draw down from—so spend can flex and is linked to measured outcomes. Near term, revenue supports the ALPHA token (currently buyback/burn), with ~40–50 TAO/month cited today and ambitions to tap much larger Web2 budgets.


Will unveils Bitcast’s X (Twitter) integration: map a niche (starting with Bittensor) and compute an influence score using an endorsements graph (quotes/retweets/mentions; PageRank-style). A rolling top ~150 become eligible to mine; entry requires endorsements from those already inside, discouraging bots and low-signal spam. Quality > quantity: limited posts per brief, payouts weighted by who endorses your tweet, and brands can target specific niches/languages (e.g., dev-productivity, infra, other crypto-AI communities). Onboarding is dead simple: paste a wallet, tweet a one-time code, you’re connected. TikTok (different incentive design) comes next, followed by a self-serve ad portal so brands can set budgets, launch, and see results. Q&A covers collusion risks (mitigated by breadth/weights), creator incentives (APY/education; fiat off-ramps likely later), and expansion beyond crypto.

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1 week ago
1 hour 24 minutes 52 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Talking TAO: Mark & Siam chat!

Siam kicks off by revealing a commissioned Bittensor artwork (“Michealeagτao”) he’s gifting to Const, then he and Mark run a no-guest AMA. They cover near-term market timing (expecting the bigger move into late-2025), the risk to compute subnets if TAO fell sharply (miner exodus) versus a healthier ecosystem at higher TAO, and how funding really follows credible, revenue-led plans (examples: Targon, sundae_bar, Shak recycling ~$1.4M into growth). A big chunk focuses on the TAO halving: pools fill more slowly so volatility rises for thinner subnets; historically halvings are “nothing-burgers” day-of, with the impact compounding over time.


They dig into alphanomics: buyback-and-burn is simple but building a digital asset (alpha) treasury that compounds—and can be borrowed against—is often stronger. Siam runs quick yield math (e.g., Apex’s high APY) to show how accumulating alpha can 4–12× holdings over a few years even before price moves. They expect more “captive demand” models (hold alpha for access), validators and front-ends to package subnet services, and ultimately a power-law leaderboard (S&P-style concentration). DSV’s approach: partner for the long term, avoid short-term rotation, prioritize force-multiplying subnets (e.g., Hippius storage, LeadPoet leads) and real revenue. They close with basics on DSV (min ~$50k; regulated) and promise more Revenue Search sessions.

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1 week ago
1 hour 14 minutes 25 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Talking Tao: with Victor Teixeira from General TAO Ventures

Victor Teixeira (General TAO Ventures) traces his path from Contango Digital’s $10M blockchain–AI fund to becoming a full-stack Bittensor operator — incubating or advising multiple subnets (e.g., 23, Red Team, TPN), running the Round Table validator, and mining across the stack. He spotlights Subnet 35 (“Cartha”), an FX perp DEX co-built with Taoshi (Subnet 8): miners are either LPs or trader-miners; trading generates fees of which 50% go to LP miners and 40% go to vote-escrowed alpha holders as USDC dividends (weekly), creating aligned “alphanomics” that reduce sell pressure and reward real usage.


The broader discussion centres on revenue-first sustainability in the post-DTAO world. Buyback-and-burn isn’t dismissed, but Victor argues subnets should prioritise tangible earnings, robust VE models, and even prefunding/VC capital to bridge idea→revenue—plus new tools like lending against owner keys. With the TAO halving likely to thin liquidity growth per block, they expect more volatility (especially for smaller pools) and a premium on subnets that can fund OPEX, miner/validator sell-side, and sustain top-leaderboard emissions via real customers. For guest wish-lists to bring fresh eyeballs into BitTensor, Victor suggests Barry Silbert and Ejaz (Bankless)—and generally “everyone,” because mainstream adoption arrives when users benefit from Bittensor under the hood without even noticing.

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1 week ago
56 minutes 30 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Brendan Playford from Gopher: Subnet 42

Gopher (ex-Masa) / Subnet 42 provides cryptographically verified, AI-ready data via a network of ~256 miners running trusted execution environments to scrape and normalise web/X/Reddit/TikTok plus large financial price feeds. Devs use a UI + API (credit-based billing) and a built-in vector DB to aggregate/search topics and power apps. Traction: ~77k users across products (≈54k on AI Insights; ≈20k on a new trading tool), ~$1M ARR, ~1k paying on the trading app launched ~2 weeks ago. That app ingests multi-timeframe price data, generates trade setups, and can execute on Hyperliquid; team claims ~65% win rate with ~1:4 risk-reward on internal accounts and will publish on-chain trading wallets.


Strategy & token alignment: Gopher is migrating Masa to a Cosmos L1 (“Gopher”) focused on data aggregation/apps (Q1 launch target). Subnet 42 remains the data engine; enterprise and app customers pay fiat credits, and usage-based revenue from Gopher’s stack flows to SN42 for the data it supplies. The plan is for Alpha holders on SN42 to govern revenue use (buybacks, treasury, growth, etc.), keeping value with the miners who create it. Near-term focus: expand financial feeds (~100k assets), improve low-latency delivery (~26 ms), add social/news signals into trading, and explore a fund/vaults that trade the signals—while continuing to court market makers, prop funds, and other subnets that need dependable, verifiable data.

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1 week ago
57 minutes 59 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Mog & Gareth from Vidaio: SN 85

Vidaio (Subnet 85) does AI video upscaling (SD → HD/4K) and compression (dramatically smaller files with similar perceived quality). Their consumer web app is live in beta—demo showed ~95% size reduction—with paid tiers coming (think ~$0.05/min, ~75% margins). Beyond creators, the big targets are streamers/broadcasters, legacy libraries, security/medical, and autonomous fleets—anyone drowning in storage/CDN costs. Near-term roadmap adds a streaming pipeline (auto encoding ladders + Hippius storage), plus R&D on colorization and selective video generation/inpainting.


For enterprises needing NDAs and tighter control, Vidaio introduced an Enterprise Track: vetted “Elite miners” execute jobs off-subnet; clients pay fiat split roughly ~75% to miners / ~25% to Vidaio. Miners must post an AlphaBond—locking ~50% of their fiat payout equivalent in ALPHA until client acceptance—creating ALPHA demand/lockups while miners get fiat to cover infra (less sell pressure). Vidaio’s cut first covers OPEX, with surplus flexed between buybacks, product, and growth. Benchmark goals: surpass Topaz Labs (~$8.3M/yr consumer) and Visionular (~$10.5M/yr enterprise) while keeping the subnet as the innovation engine.

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2 weeks ago
1 hour 25 minutes 31 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Seby Rubino from RESI: Subnet 46

AWS went down, so we kicked it old-school on Zoom with Seby (RESI, Subnet 46). Quick refresher: RESI is building a real-estate oracle—unlocking U.S. property data and on-chain intelligence for lenders, DeFi/fractional RE, and proptech. Seby walked through fresh updates: a new white paper and alphanomics, DSV added to their OTC stack, V2 moves from APIs to scraping (cheaper for validators), V3 splits the subnet into data, inference, and storage (with Hippius) so prompts like “price this home from its inspection” fetch comps, analyze reports, and persist results. A public dashboard is rolling out, and go-to-market leans on IDX-style white-label portals for brokerages to drive viral distribution.


On revenue, RESI’s already selling Predict CASA data packs via a paid funnel (Meta ads → two-call close) and tightening the machine with hires and higher spend; the Oracle appraisals target fractionalized/DeFi real estate at $500 setup + $100/mo. Alphanomics is pure-alpha (no new token): stake for pricing tiers, LP with alpha for deeper discounts, and a planned sidechain where gas/wrapped-alpha and LP incentives amplify buy pressure as builders launch on top. TL;DR—Resi’s shipping product, lining up customers, and scaling a sales engine to convert leads into buybacks while turning a locked market into composable, on-chain real-estate intelligence.

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2 weeks ago
56 minutes 22 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Jill Kenney from sundae_bar - Subnet 121

Mark and Siam sit down with Jill Kenney, CEO of sundae_bar (Subnet 121)—a publicly listed (AIM: ESBAR) AI agent marketplace that lets developers list, host, and monetise agents while businesses buy ready-to-use or customised agents for workflows (HR, sales, ops, etc.). The twist:tsundae_bar uses its BitTensor subnet as a supply engine—briefs (from users/miners) are voted on, miners build against them, validators/humans quality-check, and top agents get boosted in sundae_bar's search. Payments are live, early agents/templates (e.g., from LETA and NAT) can be deployed now, and the platform is builder-agnostic (they aim to integrate more builders like AgentKit once stable). For enterprises needing ring-fenced deployments, bespoke off-market builds are on the roadmap.


The business model is classic marketplace: a take rate on sales, ads/featured placement, and hosting/analytics fees—with a portion earmarked for alpha buybacks and an employee alpha treasury, reinforcing the subnet’s emissions flywheel. Because sundae_bar is a PLC, it can raise capital to accelerate growth while the subnet channels top dev talent into the store. Big picture: make agents dead-simple to find, test, and deploy so a solo founder or a KPMG-scale team can stitch together a digital workforce—today via templates, soon via end-to-end customizable agents that “just work.”

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2 weeks ago
53 minutes 14 seconds

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Subnet Session with Aurelius: Subnet 37

Mark and Siam sit down with Austin, founder of Aurelius (SN37)—an AI-alignment subnet built on Bittensor. In plain English: training gives models knowledge; alignment adds wisdom. Aurelius tackles the “alignment faking” problem by decentralising how alignment data is created and judged. Miners red-team models to generate high-resolution synthetic alignment data; validators score it against a living “constitution” (beyond simple Helpful-Honest-Harmless), aiming to pierce the model’s latent space and reliably shape behaviour. The goal is to package enterprise-grade, fine-tuning datasets (think safer, less hallucinatory chatbots and agents), publish results, and prove uplift—then sell into enterprises and researchers while exploring a token-gated data marketplace and governance over the evolving constitutions.


They cover why this matters (AGI timelines shrinking, opaque lab pipelines), what’s hard (verifying real inference, building a market), and how BitTensor gives an edge (cheap, diversified data generation vs centralised labs). Near-term: ship a proof-of-concept dataset, harden LLM-as-judge, expand integrations (Shoots/Targon), and stand up public benchmarks (Hugging Face, peer-reviewed studies). Longer-term: Aurelius as a decentralised “alignment watchdog” layer that continuously stress-tests frontier models and nudges them toward human values—so the future’s smartest systems aren’t just powerful, but prudent.

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 3 minutes 53 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with BitQuant: Subnet 15

BitQuant (Subnet 15 by Open Gradient) wants to be your on-chain “pocket financial advisor”—chat in plain English, get analysis, and execute swaps across supported chains—all powered by a BitTensor subnet of competing miners.

Guests: Matthew (ex-Two Sigma) and Advait (ex-UCL founder; PhD track) from Open Gradient.

Their bigger vision: an L1 (Open Gradient) for verifiable, privacy-preserving AI agents (TEE + zkML) running on-chain. Their BitTensor product line is BitQuant (SN15): miners compete to produce higher-quality quantitative analysis and trade guidance that the frontend at bitquant.io turns into simple, chat-driven actions (discover, analyze, swap, manage risk).

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 3 minutes 43 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Sam Forman from Swap: SN10

Mark & Siam clear the rumour mill: they have helped broker Subnet 71 for a new team (funding + intros + “stabilisers”), official comms coming from the team soon.

Guest Sam (Subnet 10) then lays out SN10’s mission: kill the onboarding friction. Today, a typical newcomer wrestles with wallets, TAO, bridges, and hours of steps. SN10’s cross-chain swap fixes that.

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3 weeks ago
1 hour 2 minutes 45 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Special AMA Session with Shak from Ridges: Subnet 62

In a live Revenue Search special, Shak (Ridges) explains how they’ll shift incentives from benchmarks to real user impact: the product itself will decide who earns emissions. Ridges V1 ships as a Cursor/VS Code extension on Oct 30, 2025, priced around $12/mo (with an opt-in data tier near $8).

Under the hood, validators still run SWEBench/Polyglot, but an additional step silently swaps in challenger agents for a slice of users; miners get paid only if those users accept more suggestions, need fewer fixes, and stay engaged.

Recent mixed-set scores dropped from ~88% to ~17–18% when Polyglot was added, then rebounded to ~41% by Oct 6—evidence, Shaq says, that iteration speed is their edge. A full platform rewrite lands this week (stability, parallel evals, dual-sandbox on device, limited internet excluding benchmark content) and USD payouts are returning to attract company-scale competitors.

Goal: grow users fast, reach revenue > emissions (targeting by January) to both disincentivize gaming and potentially fund buybacks—while remaining far cheaper than rivals.

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4 weeks ago
1 hour 7 minutes 38 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Sportstensor: Subnet 41

In this episode, Revenue Search digs into Subnet 41’s Sportstensor with Leo and Stephen (Neuromancer).

Hosted by Mark and Siam, this episode unpacks how their new mechanism rewards only winning, conviction-backed flow routed to prediction markets. They lay out a Polymarket partnership where Sportstensor builds a layer on top and charges a 1% fee on traded volume, using those fees to buy back alpha and, if needed, burn it. The incentive design is anti dilutive - miners never receive more in alpha than the fees generated by their qualified volume. The team cites real results from last year’s models, plus how they previously pushed roughly half a million dollars of volume to Polymarket. Expect plain talk on guard rails, why tiny or reckless bets do not count, and why opening mining to skilled traders beyond Bittensor matters. It is a candid strategy session on aligning incentives with truth seeking markets.

• NBA season result cited: 14% ROI, with MLB averaging about 5 - 6% ROI
• Partnership detail: route trades to Polymarket, charge 1% on volume, fees fund alpha buybacks and burns
• Mechanism claim: anti dilutive payouts capped by fees, with proof over promises and skin in the game only

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1 month ago
1 hour 28 minutes 3 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Talking Tao: with Bittensor Guru Keith Singery

Siam and Mark sit down with Keith Singery, host of the Bittensor Guru podcast, who admits he once rage-quit Bittensor, only to get re-hooked a month later.

Keith talks about swapping a 12-year supply chain career for psychedelic soul-searching, mushroom experiments, and finally staking his future on open intelligence.

He breaks down how capital really comes into the ecosystem, why one breakout subnet will change everything, and why he puts Ridges at the front of the pack. He doesn’t sugarcoat it: deregistration will shred 40–50 subnets, only the strongest teams will survive, and price charts are a distraction compared to what holders and builders are doing.

It’s a mix of confession, comedy, and hard-earned conviction from one of Bittensor’s earliest voices.

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1 month ago
1 hour 20 minutes 56 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Hansel Melo from Void: Subnet 31

Void AI is building the on-ramps Bittensor was missing. Hansel Melo – an early miner turned multi-subnet owner (SN27 + SN106) – lays out how Subnet 106 bridges TAO and alpha tokens to Solana now and Ethereum next, so anyone can trade with Phantom or MetaMask and plug straight into DeFi.

What we cover:

  • The simple win for users: swap TAO and subnet tokens without a Bittensor wallet

  • Why concentrated liquidity beats V2 pools for depth and slippage

  • How bridging unlocks composability across Radium, Uniswap, lending, and more

  • The revenue flywheel: bridge fees, staking rewards, trading fees, upcoming ARB bot

  • Where value goes: TAO buybacks + protocol-owned liquidity to deepen markets

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1 month ago
53 minutes 12 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Investing 88: Subnet 88

In this episode we sit down with the team behind Subnet 88 – Investing, a project some call the “decentralized BlackRock.” Their goal: optimized trading strategies for any asset in the world, built on Bittensor.

We unpack:

  • How Subnet 88 combines miners’ allocation tables into portfolio signals

  • Why they see themselves as a decentralized Wall Street – from TAO staking to U.S. equities

  • The roadmap toward ETFs, hedge fund partnerships, and signal provision

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1 month ago
59 minutes 2 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Seby Rubino from RESI: Subnet 46

Mark and Siam sat down with Seby Rubino, the 25-year-old real estate prodigy behind RESI (Subnet 46) – the subnet aiming to be “Chainlink for real estate.”

Seby’s building a nationwide property database on Bittensor – decentralized, cheaper, and more open than the monopolized data silos of Attom Data. That foundation unlocks everything from an AI appraiser to on-chain real estate lending and even a stablecoin backed by property values.

We covered:

  • How RESI plans to eat Attom Data’s market share

  • Turning property data into prediction markets

  • Why early revenues from predictive lead-gen could scale fast to $100k+ MRR

If you want to understand how Bittensor could open a trillion-dollar market, this is one to watch.

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1 month ago
1 hour 12 minutes 9 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Mog & Dubs from Hippius: SN75

On this episode of Revenue Search, we dive into Subnet 75 – Hippius - with Mog and Dubs. Their team is taking on cloud storage with a decentralized model that’s cheaper, faster, and more transparent than AWS, Google, or Dropbox.

We cover:

  • Why decentralized storage has never really been solved – until now

  • How Hippius uses its own blockchain to align miners, revenue, and token value

  • What enterprises and subnets are already building on Hippius

This isn’t just theory – Hippius already undercuts Big Tech by orders of magnitude. If you want to understand how real-world revenue models are emerging inside Bittensor, this is the episode to hear.

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1 month ago
1 hour 22 minutes 54 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Giga from Desearch: Subnet 22

AI agents are only as smart as the data they can see. Giga joins us to explain how Subnet 22 is turning LLMs into real-time operators – by piping in fresh data at scale.


We talk:

  • Why real-time search is the missing layer in most agents

  • How Subnet 22 is already powering live customer deployments

  • The business case for 24/7 AI sales reps (spoiler: they don’t need lunch breaks)


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1 month ago
52 minutes 55 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Talking TAO: with James Altucher

James Altucher - entrepreneur, bestselling author, early Bitcoin evangelist, and founder of TAO X - joins us to unpack why Bittensor feels like “Bitcoin in 2013,” and how decentralized incentives could upend not just AI, but entrepreneurship itself. We cover the rise of subnets, the hard truth about alpha tokens, and why value capture - not hype - will separate winners from the noise.

From codified buybacks and equity linkages to miner incentives and treasury strategy, James lays out the playbook he thinks will drive real adoption: make alpha a “ticket to value,” reward performance algorithmically, and communicate like a serious business - not a research project.

In this conversation, you’ll hear:

  • How to turn alpha from a memecoin into a “ticket” that unlocks real value (algorithmic buybacks, equity share classes, staking requirements)

  • The treasury-company playbook for TAO: tokens-per-share, staking, validators, and why equity-like mechanics matter

  • What risks could stall Bittensor - and how better incentive design and clear comms de-risk them

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1 month ago
56 minutes 51 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
Subnet Session with Wouter & Egill from Zeus: Subnet 18

Zeus is building a weather API that outperforms anything that’s available right now now. Miners compete to forecast temperature, wind, rain, and humidity. Validators score them, and the best predictions win. 

  • Paid API access coming very soon

  • First focus: energy and commodities 

  • 50% of revenue goes to alpha buybacks.

Weather forecasting is a billion dollar market, and Zeus has got an edge. Listen to the whole episode to find out how alpha holdres can capture the upside.

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2 months ago
40 minutes 16 seconds

Revenue Search: Inside Bittensor
The podcast for anyone building, investing in, or obsessed with Bittensor. Hosted by Mark Creaser and Siam Kidd from DSV Fund, Revenue Search goes inside the subnets to ask the important questions about revenue - not just hype. If you’re betting on the future of distributed AI - or building it - this is your signal.