“How do the three Type 9 subtypes each seek peace in their own way?” In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey explore the unique world of Type 9 subtypes—those peacemakers who seek harmony in all aspects of life. They’re joined by Beth McCord, founder of Your Enneagram Coach and a Type 9 herself, who shares how understanding the Enneagram helped her find her voice as a wife, mother, and business owner. Beth opens up about the challenges of merging with others and how she’s learned to embrace her true self while fostering peace and connection. She talks about the delicate balance between nurturing harmony and losing oneself in the process, and how her experiences in marriage and motherhood have shaped her journey. Beth also delves into the three Type 9 subtypes—Self-Preservation, Seeking, and Social—and how they manifest in her own life, as well as offering wisdom for Type 9s who are striving to find their balance. The episode wraps up with a fun game of Your Worst Nightmare, where Beth faces her fears—several of which include creepy creatures with wings!

“What are the different types of 8s and what makes their strength look so different from each other?” In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey dive into the world of Type 8 subtypes, exploring how each subtype’s unique instincts shape the way Type 8s connect with others. They are joined by Meredith Boggs, a Type 8, emergency nurse, and author, who shares her personal journey of navigating the balance between power and vulnerability. Meredith opens up about how her need for control, shaped by childhood experiences, once defined her relationships and leadership. She explains how motherhood and life experiences shifted her approach, allowing her to step into greater vulnerability and empathy, which she now sees as strengths. The episode wraps up with a hilariously intense round of Pick Your Poison, where Meredith faces a tough choice—what would she do if she found herself in a shark attack? Let’s just say the shark might want to be more worried about her than she is about it. Tune in for this wild and revealing moment!

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey dive into the vibrant world of Type 7 subtypes—the enthusiastic adventurers who crave freedom and fun. Joining them is author and Enneagram coach Jackie Brewster, who brings her insights into how a Type 7 can harness their energy without losing their sense of self. Jackie opens up about why rigid routines feel like shackles and how she’s learned to create flexible structures that support her natural spontaneity. She shares the challenging but transformative journey of learning to slow down and sit in silence, revealing how stillness has been essential for healing the deeper pains she used to run from. The episode wraps up with a playful round of Show Me You Know Me, where Jackie faces an unexpected twist: what would she do if she was in second place and the leader tripped just before the finish line? Will she take the high road or race to claim the win?

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey tackle the subtypes of Type 6s—the loyal skeptics who are always scanning for potential pitfalls. Joining them is Enneagram coach and seasoned pastor Adam Breckenridge, who brings 17 years of pastoral experience and deep insights into what makes a Type 6 tick. Adam shares why courage for a Type 6 isn’t the absence of fear but rather the choice to move forward in its presence. He opens up about his younger years spent trying to conquer fear by charging headfirst into the things that scared him most and explains why he doesn’t believe 6s are always the most anxious people in the room. The episode wraps up with a side-splitting round of Your Worst Nightmare, where Jesse and Lindsey make Adam choose between impossible scenarios. Things get hilarious as Adam talks about why he doesn't trust mimes.

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey dive into the elusive world of Type 5 subtypes—arguably the most complex to unpack. They explore how each subtype takes a distinct spin on the quest for competency and self-sufficiency. Joining them is business owner and podcast producer Elizabeth Evans, who gets candid about the challenges of being a Type 5. She opens up about the emotional shutdowns that occur when Type 5s suppress their feelings, how she finds intimacy in quiet, one-on-one interactions, and the delicate balance between her deep need for solitude and her desire for friendship. The episode wraps up with a hilarious round of Pick Your Poison, where the crew somehow manages to turn Thanksgiving into a nightmare and leaves everyone terrified to yawn in Elizabeth’s presence.

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey dive into the emotional depth of Type 4 subtypes, revealing how each one adds a unique layer to this introspective and complex type. They’re joined by author and podcast host Heather MacFadyen, who gets real about her journey as a Type 4 and why it took her so long to pinpoint her subtype. Heather opens up about the tension between craving connection with a group and her natural ability to go deep with just one person. She also shares her passion for creating safe spaces for others to express tough emotions and how experiencing God’s acceptance transformed the way she sees herself. The episode wraps up with a lively round of What’s Your Number, where Heather spills her unfiltered thoughts on fake antiques, latte art, and beds overloaded with decorative pillows.

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey dive into the subtypes of Type 3, breaking down how each one uniquely influences this driven type. They’re joined by psychologist and author Dr. Alison Cook who gets honest and personal as she explores her subtype. Lindsey and Alison talk about how hard it is to make things look easy and what the journey from image to authenticity looks like. The gang plays Pick Your Poison where Alison is forced to choose between two horrible options.

In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey delve into the nurturing world of Type 2 subtypes—the caring helpers driven by a deep desire to be needed. They’re joined by Dr. Kristi Gaultiere, author and co-founder of Soul Shepherding, who shares her journey of learning to let others care for her and how her life story shaped this struggle. Kristi opens up about balancing psychological and spiritual work, and what it means to truly believe that all truth is God’s truth. She reflects on how solitude, once feeling like punishment, became the path to embracing God’s love for her beyond her service to others. The episode wraps up with a lively round of Trial By Trolley, where Kristi faces a hilarious moral dilemma: will she run over the person who invented pop-up ads or the identity thief who bought a yacht in her name? Connect with Kristi: https://www.soulshepherding.org/ https://www.instagram.com/kristigaultiere/?hl=en Beatrice Chestnut's book: The Complete Enneagram Russ Hudson's Enneagram Next Level: www.enneagramnextlevel.com RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

Today, Jesse and Lindsey talk about the subtypes of the Type 1. They interview enneagram coach and pastor, Brian Lee. They discover Brian's subtype and how it shows up in his relationships. Brian shares about how his type operates in social situations. Connect with Brian: www.gospelcenteredenneagram.com/mystory myenneagramcoach.com/coach/brian-lee-2/ Beatrice Chestnut's book: The Complete Enneagram Russ Hudson's Enneagram Next Level: www.enneagramnextlevel.com RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“Why do people with the same Enneagram type act so differently?” In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey explore the fascinating world of Enneagram subtypes. Through personal stories and expert insights, they reveal how knowing your subtype can clarify long-standing patterns and even common mistypes. From the fortress-building self-preservation types to the community-driven social types and intensity-seeking “seekers,” this episode helps you identify your instinctual drive and balance it for more intentional relationships and self-growth. Discovering your subtype might just explain those subtle misalignments between your type and behavior—and give you the tools for true self-understanding. Beatrice Chestnut's book: The Complete Enneagram Russ Hudson's Enneagram Next Level: www.enneagramnextlevel.com RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“What happens when we bring intentionality and authenticity to every conversation?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey kick things off by discussing why curiosity is the secret to making deeper connections. Then, they’re joined by executive and life coach Jennifer Nickel, who helps leaders transform relationships through intentional communication. Jennifer shares practical insights on active listening, asking questions that invite real connection, and staying fully present. For anyone frustrated by surface-level exchanges or longing for more meaningful connections, Jennifer’s advice is a game-changer. The episode concludes with actionable steps to cultivate curiosity, practice empathy, and deepen every interaction, from professional settings to personal relationships. Connect with Jenn: www.jlnconsultants.com Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How do we find healing for the unwanted sexual behaviors in our lives?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey begin by exploring the importance of closure in conversations and how it deepens authentic connection. Then, Jesse sits down with Nick Stumbo, Executive Director of Pure Desire Ministries, who opens up about his own journey through pornography addiction and the path to freedom. Nick sheds light on how secrecy, shame, and family dynamics fuel unwanted sexual behaviors, sharing powerful insights on breaking free through vulnerability and supportive community. This conversation is essential for anyone seeking to understand how past wounds impact present struggles—and how openness can lead to genuine transformation. Connect with Nick and Pure Desire Ministries: puredesire.org Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How does our anxiety impact our kids?” In this episode of the Say More series on the art of conversation, Jesse and Lindsey begin by exploring how an other-focused approach in conversations can deepen connection and empathy. Then, Jesse sits down with Sissy Goff, Executive Director of Daystar Counseling Ministries and a leading voice on childhood anxiety. Sissy shares how family dynamics and parental anxieties directly shape children’s emotional health and resilience. She offers practical insights on managing your own anxiety to model calmness for your kids, along with strategies for helping them navigate their fears. With humor and warmth, Sissy highlights why curiosity and connection are key to combating anxiety within the family. The episode wraps up with actionable advice for parents looking to break generational cycles of anxiety and raise resilient, confident kids. Connect with Sissy: www.instagram.com/sissygoff/?hl=en Sissy's podcast: www.raisingboysandgirls.com Daystar Counseling Ministries: www.daystarcounseling.com Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How can we ensure others feel seen and valued in the here and now?” For those struggling to show up fully for others—especially in a divided world—this episode of the Say More series offers clarity and direction. Jesse and Lindsey start by exploring how intentional questions can build deeper, more meaningful connections. Then, Lindsey interviews Faitth Brooks—activist, author, and host of Melanated Faith—who shares her passion for honoring and supporting others in real time, especially those often overlooked. Faitth discusses her own journey through racial justice work and the inspiration behind her book Remember Me Now, shedding light on how we can foster empathy, bridge divides, and make those in our lives feel seen and valued today. Listeners will come away with practical advice on overcoming discomfort, showing up with authenticity, and creating inclusive communities that celebrate each other fully. Connect with Faitth: www.faitthbrooks.com Books from Faitth: www.faitthbrooks.com/remembermenow Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How do our early relationships shape how we connect with others?” In this Say More episode, Jesse and Lindsey explore the power of intentionality in conversation—how asking thoughtful, meaningful questions can foster deeper connections. Then, Jesse sits down with Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley, a leading expert in attachment theory and author of The Four Relationship Styles. Dr. Anita breaks down the four attachment styles—Firefighter, Investigator, Security Guard, and Networker—explaining how each one forms and impacts the way we relate to others. From childhood experiences of neglect or trauma to the strategies we develop to survive, Dr. Anita offers profound insights into how attachment patterns shape our relationships as adults. She also discusses how these styles influence our connection with God and provides guidance on healing from unhealthy attachment wounds. The episode wraps up with practical advice on how to identify your attachment style and cultivate healthier, more secure relationships. Connect with Dr. Kuhnley: dranitakuhnley.com Books from Dr. Kuhnley: dranitakuhnley.com/collections/all Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How can we encounter God in the midst of our unmet longings?” As we continue the Say More series on the art of conversation, Jesse and Lindsey open by exploring how body language fosters trust and connection. Then, Lindsey sits down with pastor and author Trevor Hudson, who shares his journey of spiritual discovery, resilience, and finding joy in unexpected places. Trevor reflects on how embracing our deepest desires and disappointments can open us to a more authentic relationship with God. He discusses the transformative power of the Ignatian exercises, offers wisdom on holding both joy and sorrow, and challenges listeners to “walk in the light” by letting go of duplicity and living with genuine authenticity. The conversation wraps up with practical guidance for anyone seeking to deepen their faith while navigating life’s complex realities. Connect with Trevor Trevor's book: Seeking God Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How do we stay grounded and true to ourselves in high-stress environments?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey begin by discussing the value of preparing for difficult conversations, offering practical tips on setting the stage for open, constructive dialogue. Then, Jesse interviews Mike Alexander, a former police chief, ethics expert, and Enneagram teacher, who shares insights from his 40-year journey in law enforcement. Mike reveals how personal healing transformed his leadership, equipping him to face the ethical and emotional challenges of his career. His story shows how integrity, faith, and community support can help us confront our own brokenness and inspire meaningful change. The episode wraps up with actionable advice for those striving to lead with authenticity and build deeper connections with others. Connect with Mike: https://www.thelion.institute/ Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How does our family of origin shape our relationships?” As part of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey begin with a discussion on the importance of self-awareness in building trust and understanding. Then, Lindsey sits down with marriage experts Steve and Lisa Call, co-founders of the Reconnect Institute, to explore how our family histories impact our closest relationships. Steve and Lisa share candid insights into healing family-of-origin wounds, the transformative power of vulnerability, and staying connected even when life gets messy. With wisdom from decades of marriage, they offer guidance on holding both joy and sorrow, seeing our partner as both beautiful and broken, and cultivating authentic intimacy. The episode closes with practical advice for those longing to build deeper, healthier relationships. Connect with Steve and Lisa Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How does grief change us, and can it be put to good use?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey explore the concept of “marveling” in conversations—finding moments of awe and wonder together. Then, Lindsey sits down with John Onwuchekwa, an Atlanta-based pastor, entrepreneur, and author, to discuss how profound loss and grief have shaped his journey. John shares his story of facing unexpected tragedy, grappling with ambiguous loss, and learning to hold both sorrow and joy. Through his experiences with faith and community, John offers valuable insights on how hope can emerge even in life’s darkest moments. The episode wraps up with practical advice for navigating grief, building resilience, and discovering meaning amid life’s challenges. Connect with John Find Portrait Coffee Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles

“How does faith guide us through political and cultural conflicts?” In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey continue their teaching on the art of conversation. Then, Lindsey sits down with author and theologian Kaitlyn Schiess to dive into the intersection of faith, politics, and personal growth. Kaitlyn opens up about navigating her identity as both a Type 3 and a follower of Christ in polarized times. Reflecting on her journey from aspiring lawyer to theology student, she shares how her military-family upbringing shaped her resilience and drive for success. In a thoughtful conversation, Kaitlyn encourages listeners to hold space for differing perspectives and offers insights on engaging with faith and politics in ways that foster true connection and compassion. The episode wraps up with a fun lightning round, where Kaitlyn reveals her favorite dessert and the least Type 3 thing she’s ever done. Connect with Kaitlyn Find Say More cards and digital decks. Heather Holleman's The Six Conversations RelateBetter Resources Conversation Starters Books Workshops Video Courses Articles