This week, Alessio and Jude explore the intersection of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy and neurodivergence, as they ponder intriguing questions about the Self and neurodivergence.
This is the third episode in their exploration of Self-energy, queerness and neurodivergence. With reference to Nick Walker's pioneering work on Neuroqueering, they navigate the shifting cultural and historical contexts of neurodiversity, offering listeners an understanding of what it means to embrace cognitive differences within societal norms.
As we draw on the hardware-software analogy, where the body serves as hardware and the self and its parts as software, we delve into the nuanced relationship between neurocognitive functioning and personal identity. Referencing the perspectives of several different thinkers in the field, they challenge the scientific community's attempts to measure the intangible aspects of The Self. This conversation highlights the complexities of Self-energy as it weaves through gender identity, culture, ethnicity, and neurodivergence, raising questions about advocacy for neurodivergent selfhood.
Connect with us as we continue to foster a community engaging with neuroqueer themes through workshops and projects. Our shared journey is one of curiosity and openness, encouraging listeners to appreciate diverse perspectives and question binary paradigms.
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Contacts
Isabelle Vrod, LMSW (she/her) is the Director of OCD | Care Coordinator | Therapist
Alessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.com
Jude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Sound editing by Forbes Coleman
In this episode, Jude Carn and Alessio Rizzo explore the keys to neurodivergent-affirming practices in IFS (Internal Family Systems) therapy, and psychotherapy and counselling more broadly, exploring how therapists can better accommodate clients’ diverse needs.
Jude and Alessio share their experiences and offer practical advice on creating inclusive and supportive therapeutic spaces for neurodivergent individuals, emphasising adaptability and client-centred approaches.
Key discussion points include sensory considerations, flexible scheduling, and the importance of open communication.
Get in touch with us if this sparks interest in you, and please consider subscribing to help us get the word out there.
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Contacts
Alessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS Institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.com
Jude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Sound editing by Forbes Coleman
Ever wondered about the difference between the medical and social models of disability? 🤔 This episode dives deep! Join Jude, Alessio, and Isabelle, as they explore how society creates barriers, the impact of cultural backgrounds, and practical applications within IFS therapy.
This is a fascinating conversation, uncovering the real-world challenges faced by those who are disabled in, and by society, and how to support their journeys.
Social Model of Disability, IFS Therapy, Internal Family Systems, Disability, Medical Model, Neurodivergence, Therapy, Accessibility, Client Experiences
00:00 Welcome and Introductions
03:56 Diving into the Social Model of Disability
06:43 Contrasting Models: Social vs. Medical
10:03 Cultural Perspectives on Disability
15:02 The Intersection of Medical and Social Models
23:00 Access Fatigue and Self-Advocacy
30:02 Finding Community Among Neurodivergent Folks
31:03 The Impact of Support on Disability
32:40 Navigating Neurotypical Expectations
36:12 Privilege and Adaptation in Workspaces
39:03 Invisible Burdens of Neurodivergence
42:01 Breaking the Cycle of Internalized Expectations
45:12 Reflections and Future Conversations
Get in touch with us if this sparks interest in you, and please consider subscribing to help us get the word out there.
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Contacts
Isabelle Vrod, LMSW (she/her) is the Director of OCD | Care Coordinator | Therapist
Alessio Rizzo (He/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Trainer with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.com
Jude Carn (She/They) is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Sound editing by Forbes Coleman
In this podcast, Alessio Rizzo and Jude Carn discuss the complex process of shame, which we all have experienced. Queering how we might understand and see this through and IFS lens.
Many books have been written about shame, but, perhaps, there is something that we have missed out about the various layers of shame. Listen up to find out what it is!
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified IFS psychotherapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Find out more about Alessio at www.therapywithalessio.com
And Jude at www.anchoredinself.co.uk
In this podcast Jude (She / They) and Alessio (He / They) discuss with their guest Anna Thomas (They / Them) about the importance of bringing awareness to the impact of "gender binary" on all our lives.
Anna Thomas and Alessio present some of the ideas that have inspired them to offer an online retreat called "IFS Gender Journeys", which is an affinity space for queer and queer-adjacent IFS trained professionals, who want to honour the disenfranchised grief associated with the discovery and acceptance of not being cisgender.
To know more about IFS Gender Journeys and book, if places are available, please click https://www.therapywithalessio.com/ifs-gender-journeys
Contacts
Dr Anna Thomas Tijsseling can be contacted on https://authentiekepraktijken.nl/en/home-en
Alessio is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Assistant Trainer (AT) with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) - www.therapywithalessio.com
Jude is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute - www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Sound editing by Forbes Coleman
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
In this episode Jude (She/They) and Alessio (He/They) continue their conversation on the Self, which is such a central concept in IFS Therapy.
Jude and Alessio dive further into questions of Self or Self-Energy in IFS through a queering lens. They ask, is the Self queer? Where is queerness in the system? And where does the question of the qualities of Self even come from?
As Alessio and Jude grapple with this question, they start to think in terms of neurology, parts, Self and physiology to understand where sexuality and gender “come from”, but they end up wondering why there is so much interest in knowing whether the Self is queer or not… is this a legacy burden after all?
Contacts
Jude Carn - https://www.anchoredinself.co.uk/
Alessio Rizzo - https://www.therapywithalessio.com/
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
In this episode, Jude (she/they) and Alessio (he/they) with their guest speaker, Ali Bushell (he/him), talk about sexuality and reflect on how we speak about sexuality within the IFS and therapeutic communities.
Ali Bushell, IFS Therapist, supervisor and author of the book "The Sex Party Handbook", shares with us his views and perspective on the impact of norms, and in particular heteronormativity, on the discourse about sex and sexuality. What lenses are we seeing sex through, and how does it impact our work with clients? Perhaps the "P of Passion" should be added to the qualities of Self.
Contacts
Jude Carn - https://www.anchoredinself.co.uk/
Alessio Rizzo - https://www.therapywithalessio.com/
Ali Bushell - https://www.alibushell.com/
Ali's book - https://www.alibushell.com/the-sex-party-handbook
Sound editing by Forbes Coleman
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Join Alessio Rizzo and Jude Carn as they kick off a multi-part journey into Queering the Self in Internal Family Systems (IFS).
In this episode, they unpack the challenges of defining Self and Self-Energy in IFS, wrestling with the limits of language and why clear definitions matter to some parts of us. They explore self-energy within parts, the Self as energy, and its role as the system’s anchor, leader, or central organiser.
This is the first of a series of episodes in which exploring the intersection between the Self, queerness and neurodivergence
Jude is an Approved Clinical Consultant and Psychotherapist and can be found at can be found at www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Alessio is an Assistant Trainer with IFSI, an Approved Clinical Consultant and a Psychotherapist, and can be found at www.therapywithalessio.com
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Join Alessio and Jude this week as they talk about pronouns. Something they are both passionate about in supporting clients to have an inclusive and affirmative experience in their therapy. Not just the importance of checking out and using the client's pronouns, but also doing this with their parts.
Jude (she/they) and Alessio (he/they) talk about their pronoun journeys, and that of their parts as well as their work with clients and consultees/supervisees.
Alessio and Jude talk about the importance of asking, and not assuming gender or pronouns in a system, regardless of the client's gender and pronouns.
Alessio is a Certified IFS psychotherapist, IFS Assistant Trainer (AT) with the IFS institute, and Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC).
Jude is a Certified IFS psychotherapist and an Approved Clinical Consultant (ACC) with the IFS Institute.
Sound editing by Forbes Coleman
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
Today, Jude Carn and Alessio Rizzo discuss neurodiversity. Join them in conversation. Neurodiversity does not originate in parts, through the IFS lens. It is natural and innate to humans and includes the mind and the body.
We talk about some of the main neurodivergences under the umbrella and do a deeper dive into why we have to see neurodivergence as the hardware of the system, not a 'part' that needs to be fixed in IFS terms. Alessio and Jude distinguish between parts and the system, talking about their experiences and how we can support our parts to understand and accept neurodivergence, and how important is it to have a therapist that understands this too.
Alessio Rizzo - www.therapywithalessio.com
Jude Carn - www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Referenced in today's episode:
Christiansen, C., & Martinez-Dettamanti, M. (2023). Embodying IFS with neurodivergent clients: A neuro-inclusive approach for therapists. In Riemersma, J (Ed),Altogether US: Integrating the IFS model with key modalities, communities, and trends
Middleton, E (2023) UNMASKED: The Ultimate Guide to ADHD, Autism, and Neurodivergence.
Nick Walker - Neuroqueer Heresies Autonomous Press
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
In today's episode, we have an introduction to Jude and Alessio and why they wanted to start this IFS (internal family systems) podcast for the queer and neurodivergent IFS community.
Alessio and Jude talk about why they are here, how they met, sharing pronouns. Why it matters that therapists understand their client's queerness, neurodivergence, gender sexual and relationship diversities. How we understand parts and self and trauma. They talk about queering, queerness, neuroqueering and how IFS can allow us to queer the mind.
Alessio Rizzo - www.therapywithalessio.com
Jude Carn - www.anchoredinself.co.uk
Books referenced:
No Bad Parts - Richard Schwartz
Neuroqueer Heresies - Nick Walker
Disclaimer
This podcast is hosted by qualified therapists who share personal reflections and professional insights into therapy and mental health. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers or guests and are personal to them.
While we talk about therapy, this podcast is not therapy. It’s for information, reflection, and conversation only, and should never be considered a substitute for professional mental health support, diagnosis, or treatment. Listening to this podcast does not create a therapist-client relationship.
Some episodes may touch on sensitive topics, so please take care while listening. If you're struggling, we encourage you to reach out to a qualified therapist or mental health professional in your area.
Guest opinions are their own and don’t necessarily reflect those of the hosts.
