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No Longer Credentialed
Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs
27 episodes
6 days ago
Sports broke us. So we made a podcast instead of going to therapy.
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No Longer Credentialed
The Hidden Patterns That Shape Every Great Story (Including Yours)

This week on the show, we examine what it takes to be a good storyteller, and how these tried-and-true patterns, which have shaped all of humanity regardless of culture, can affect your career, your relationships with others and your own journey to fulfillment and happiness.

We’re very passionate about these things and think they can add a lot of richness to everything you encounter.

This episode is sponsored by The Ungratefully Dead As A Duck Collection and everyone’s favorite AI assistant, My Sports Pal. We’ll take IOU’s in these trying times.

Timestamps:

Rags to Riches— 8:44 

Man in a Hole: Resilience and Recovery — 32:36 

Authenticity in Storytelling: Sharing the Lows — 36:32 

The Icarus Arc: Flying Too Close to the Sun — 45:19 

Cinderella Story Arc: Rising Again — 53:38 

The Oedipus Arc: Fall, Rise, and Fall Again — 1:01:16 

Breaking Cycles: Lessons from the Oedipus Arc — 1:05:51 

The Simplicity of Storytelling — 1:10:07 

Story Arcs in Everyday Life and Work — 1:12:21 

The Story's Not Finished: Hope and Possibility — 1:15:10 

More on Story Arcs 

Kurt Vonnegut’s Shape of Stories (Video)


This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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6 days ago
1 hour 16 minutes 54 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
“Gemstone Cal”, The Age-Old Media Access Complaint And AI Recap Slop In MLS

After planning for a peaceful 25th episode of No Longer Credentialed, we took a U-Turn when we heard the latest from John Calipari and his take on NIL from SEC Media Days. Does he really believe what he’s saying? We’ll take a look at the absurdity of his comments and discuss whether this new era of player empowerment is cracking some of the old kingmakers of college basketball.

We then head to Barca’s old stomping grounds, MLS, to look into its AI slop, which they at least labeled and told us about, and their lack of access for reporters, even when it’s been collectively bargained with the players. Is the lack of access hindering the growth and popularity of their product? Especially with their horrible television deal and no eyeballs on their sport?

This “Silver Jubilee” episode is brought to you by The 5 AM Breakdown and Golden Image. Maybe we’ll get a private jet ride out of these latest partnerships.

Timestamps:

6:46 — Deep Dive: Calipari’s NCAA Scandals

9:41 — Top Transactional Coaches in College Sports

16:03 — MLS & AI Recaps Slop

28:00 — MLS Media Access Debate

32:40 — The State of MLS: TV Deals, Marketing, and Growth

57:07 — Comparing MLS to Other Leagues

1:04:47 — Final Thoughts on Media Relations and League Transparency

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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1 week ago
1 hour 3 minutes 40 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
An Examination of Coach Power In College Athletics: Is It Out Of Control?

In this week’s episode, we’ll dive back into the Bill Belichick saga at North Carolina and as we predicted in the early days of the podcast, it isn’t working well. We’ll then dig a few layers deeper and ask, “Who really runs the department?” and provide you with stories of the absolute power of a head coach in a high-major college athletic department and of the ridiculousness of some of their requests and the mental toll it can take on a staffer that’s just trying to do their job.

How did coaches gain so much power? Is there a way to curb it? How much does media coverage play into this dynamic? And what are some ways to change how coaches are perceived? 

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod

Timestamps:

UNC's Turbulent Belichick Era: We Told You So  — (03:36)

Do College Coaches Wield Too Much Power? —  (06:05)

The Cult of the College Coach —  (20:22)

Who Really Runs the Athletic Department? —  (26:01)

The Toll of Coach Ego and Burnout —  (31:03)

The Watergate Moment: Hot Mic Revelation —  (34:07)

Promoting The Coach And Forgetting The Players - (40:42)

Will the Power Structure Ever Change? —  (1:06:38)


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2 weeks ago
1 hour 11 minutes 42 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Chasing Meaning, Connection, and Purpose in Sports and Life

In this episode, we explore the search for meaning in sports careers, inspired by Viktor Frankl’s philosophy and his book, A Man’s Search For Meaning. We reflect on our own journeys, questioning whether fulfillment comes from titles, pay, or the deeper connections forged through teamwork and adversity. We discuss the universal nature of suffering, the importance of gratitude, and the challenge of finding purpose after setbacks or career changes. Through candid stories—ranging from service trips abroad to the grind of long hours—we reveal that meaning is often found in relationships, community, and the willingness to be vulnerable. 

We’ll challenge you to reconsider what truly matters: Is it the accolades, or the impact you have on others? The episode closes with a reminder that the search for meaning is ongoing, and that embracing curiosity, kindness, and inspiration can transform even the most difficult experiences into something profound.

Key Moments and Timestamps

0:00 — Introduction: The hosts set the stage, inspired by Viktor Frankl’s search for meaning.

1:47 — Why meaning matters in sports and life; the pressure and purpose of coaching.

7:10 — Suffering & Setbacks: Losing a job, facing adversity, and realizing suffering is universal.

17:54 — The Power of Relationships: Meaning found in community, not just career achievements.

24:51 — Service Trip Story: Brandon’s transformative experience in Tanzania, finding purpose beyond work.

29:54 — Gratitude & Belonging: The importance of gratitude, diversity, and belonging in sports.

38:16 — Vulnerability & Boundaries: Honest talk about setting boundaries and the difficulty of leadership.

54:00 — Letting Go of Control: Wrestling with control, technology, and the ongoing search for meaning.

1:09:00 — Closing Reflections: Embracing curiosity, kindness, and the journey to find meaning.

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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3 weeks ago
1 hour 7 minutes 6 seconds

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AI in Sports: How Embracing Technology Will Define the Next Generation of Sports Careers

In this episode of "No Longer Credentialed," we dive deep into the transformative power of AI in the sports industry. We’ll discuss how AI is reshaping workflows, content creation, and communication strategies for sports professionals. From practical tips on using ChatGPT for copywriting and PR to the importance of maintaining a human touch, the conversation is packed with real-world examples and candid stories from decades in the field. 

Barca is Up To His Ears with certain content traditions that are overdue for retirement. 

Whether you’re a comms pro, coach, or just curious about the future of work. We’ve got it all.

We’re also sponsored by, shoot we forgot because we generated it in AI. Either way, we hope that the check is in the mail.

Timestamps:

0:00 – Introduction: Why AI matters in sports

1:17 – The real story behind sports comms careers

3:17 – Main segment: Practical AI tools for workflow and efficiency

5:41 – Copywriting, brand voice, and the role of AI

14:21 – PR, media relations, and AI’s impact

45:00 – Rethinking social media: this idea needs to head to retirement home

61:33 – Final thoughts and what’s next

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod

 


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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes 10 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Life After Sports: The Journey of Andy McNamara And Shouting Into The Wind About The Absurdity Of Conference Realignment

In this episode of 'No Longer Credentialed,' we interview Andy McNamara, a legendary collegiate athletics communicator who spent nearly 13 years at the University of Oregon (3:19). We cover Andy’s significant contributions, including spearheading two Heisman Trophy campaigns and leading the Ducks football communications effort in two national championship runs. The conversation also delves into Andy's transformative experience after leaving the sports industry in 2017, his perspective on the demise of the Pac-12, and the unusual but liberating transition to a different pace of life. Anecdotes feature special moments like traveling with Heisman finalists and behind-the-scenes experiences at high-profile events, including a memorable encounter with Bob Seger and Emma Stone at the Ed Sullivan Theater on The Late Show With David Letterman. We wrap up by discussing the impact of conference realignments on collegiate sports and the importance of maintaining a work-life balance in the sports industry. 

Are we really this stupid? Boggs is 'Up to His Ears' about the impracticalities and logistical challenges of the current college sports conference alignments, proposing a swap of three schools each between the Big 12 and the ACC for a more sensible setup (39:46). 

Sponsors for this week’s episode are The Third Lane Booster Club and Get Off Your Ass and Refill the Damn Printer Paper (36:16). Our Venmo is NLCPod. 

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod

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1 month ago
1 hour 9 minutes 32 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Dear Formerly Credentialed: Conspiracy Theories, Our Favorite Brands, Corporate ADs, and Cats That Fetch

This week on the podcast. We’ve made it to episode 20 and we kick off the podcast with a new segment called "Dear Formerly Credentialed" where we read listener submissions from the sports industry community (3:00). 

We shout out Middle Tennessee State for their common-sense approach to football uniforms and have a get-off-of-my-lawn-old-man conversation about the absurdity of ruining brands, sometimes well-established brands, all in the name of recruiting and frivolous spending (10:53). 

We then go on-and-on about two of our favorite brands, Chick-fil-A (22:35) and Buc-ee’s (38:31), and Barca is Up To His Ears about whether current athletic directors are equipped to handle today’s world of college athletics (29:16).

And just when you think you’ve heard it all, we hear about Boggs’ cat’s very doglike skillset (47:22).

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod

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1 month ago
56 minutes 41 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
"If I Knew Then, What I Know Now" Career Redraft

This week on the podcast. We have some fun and go back in time to advise our younger selves about some career paths we’d encourage them to take (2:37).

Some advice may be absurd. Some may be futuristic. Either way, sit back and hop in the time machine with us as we embark on the inaugural “If We knew Then What We Know Now Sports Career Redraft”.

Today’s episode is sponsored by The Quiet Quits Retirement Home and the  Sweatshop TI-81 calculator (22:51). We need the check, ASAP!

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod

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1 month ago
52 minutes 36 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Brayden Figueroa: Quitting His Dream Job To Begin His Dream Company

Brayden Figueroa is the definition of betting on yourself.

For five years, he worked as a video producer for the LA Lakers. Then one day, he woke up, quit his job with one of the biggest sports franchises in the world, and decided to chase his dream of starting his own business.

As a Barca protege at the University of Oregon, Brayden didn’t have the best video equipment, but he still made some dope shit. And more importantly—he gave a shit. He’s always had that “it” factor. He was a leader among his peers, always learning, collaborating and pushing to get better.

Fast forward to today—he’s the host of The 505 Podcast, a hub spotlighting some of the best creators and marketing minds in the world, while helping others learn and grow. Recent guests include industry titans like Gary Vee and Seth Godin.

The 505 Podcast is closing in on 200 episodes, with more than 20,000 YouTube subs, 80,000 followers on IG, and 1.2 million likes on TikTok. He’s also the co-founder of Blue Stripe Studios, a full-service creative production company making stories built for mobile.

What separates B Figgy from the rest is his generous advice and stories of the mistakes that he has made on his business journey. That this whole thing is more than just being creative with a camera.

In this episode, you’ll find out that the time is ripe for creatives to reshape and reinvent how we think about communicating in the digital space. He’ll talk about the beginning of his business journey (6:11), how and why he quit the Lakers (8:19), how being on-the-go early in his career set him up for success with his own company (15:17), how he handled hitting his ceiling in a job (17:42), how sports creatives and workers can toot their own horn more (19:19), did he ever think about what he was worth as a freelancer when he was working for someone else (24:18), how he develops pricing plans for projects (29:29), how he makes money and adds value for clients (35:22), what he thinks about AI in the creative space (40:09), why he thinks sports teams are stuck in their same-old ways when it comes to digital media (45:07), two pieces of advice for people who want to go out on their own (47:35), and how he arranged and secured a podcast with industry leader Gary Vee (50:18). 

You can connect with Brayden on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/bfiggy/ and on TikTok at https://www.tiktok.com/bfiggy/.

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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2 months ago
58 minutes 36 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
An Interview With ExtraPoints’ Matt Brown And Our Free Advice To Athletic Directors

Another week, another damning article about working in sports, this time by AthleticDirectorU.com titled D1 Administrative Burnout, Exhaustion & Disengagement, Part 2: Qualitative Analysis, where many athletic department staffers, at all levels, express their dismay about working in the business. Many of the complaints are the same ones you have heard on our show. 

So, we decided to bring in an industry expert, Matt Brown, the author of the ExtraPoints newsletter and a longtime reporter on off-the-field and business happenings in college sports, to talk to us about what he’s hearing about the crisis from his sources and if changes are in the works to stem the tide of the brain drain and exhaustion felt by the entire industry (2:41).

Barca and I then rattle off some free advice for athletic directors everywhere, with many of the ideas costing very little or nothing at all (39:22). We know that being an athletic director is hard, so we’re here to help. Take notes AD’s and our DM’s are open if you need us to come in and keep your people from leaving.

This week’s episode is sponsored by Total ReKool and We’ve Got Colors (36:55). Check is in the mail, right?

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod

 


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2 months ago
1 hour 24 minutes 48 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
The Greatest College Sports Office Prank (10 Years Long!) With Ryan Schulz

A prank that lived for over 10 years? Is that possible?

It is indeed possible, and we have the mastermind behind a prank that had Boggs fooled for over a decade. Former colleague Ryan Schulz joins us this week to relive the moment and recounts how he pulled off the joke of the century (2:03), one that would probably still be going on if everyone still worked in the same office.

We’ll also take a look back and some other infamous pranks and stories from around the office (42:09), and Schulz lets us in on an improbable story from a trip to the NCAA Tournament (52:31)

This week’s episode is sponsored by Gone, But Not Forgotten, Funeral Home and Drinks of Delusion (39.58). We’re still waiting for payment - maybe they put our direct deposit account number wrong?

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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2 months ago
55 minutes 45 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Scott Fitzgerald: Can We Cut Through The Noise And Find Joy?

We are honored and thrilled this week to share our conversation with Boggs’ graduate school buddy, Scott Fitzgerald, who recently started Purscial, a coach and support system for coaches, executives, and administrators who serve others in environments where performance matters. It’s like a caddy for coaches - someone in their corner to lighten the load and help them perform at their best.

We dig into a multitude of topics that apply to all people working in sports, and frankly, all humans, and how we face adversity, discover more about ourselves, and how we can find joy in the work that we do and the people we can become.

We’ll ask how he got the idea to start his business (3:19), how the conversations with coaches get started (8:32), what are the main things he has his clients focus on (11:03), the idea of joy and can coaches truly find it (15:21), burnout with coaches in general (18:31), how long does the process take for change to take place (21:53), strategies for results-oriented coaches (24:00), how many of his clients are trapped in fear (26:43), how passion influences decisions and self-exploration and how to harness it (28:36).

After an ad break from our loyal sponsors Lloyd Christmas IOU’s and The Dead Media Society (33:45), we continue our conversation and ask Fitzy about the glamorization - or lack thereof - of being a coach (36:18), people taking advantage of our passion (39:32), who checks on the wellness of our coaches (42:32), how cultivating coaches saves departments and organizations money (45:15), being honest is the only way to make progress and how receptive coaches are to it (53:35), the fear of perfection and how it hinders to be your best (58:06), how he wants coaches to feel after meeting with him (1:00:27), and two things that help relationships (1:04:44).

You can find Scott at https://purscial.net/ and can email him at scott@purscial.net.

We also wanted to list the books that Fitzy mentions on the podcast. 

The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin

Tao Te Ching: A New English Version by Lao Tzu

The Inward Trilogy by yung pueblo

The Tough Stuff: Seven Hard Truths About Being a Head Coach by Cody Royle

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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2 months ago
1 hour 11 minutes 21 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
We’re Three Months In And Mainstream Media Is Already Stealing Our Ideas, ESPN Better Be Ready To Open Their Checkbook, and The Worst Hire In College Sports We’ve Ever Seen

A lot to get to this week on the podcast. Maybe next time an outlet tries to lift ideas from us, we’ll get cited. 

After The Athletic decided to take our idea about ownership in college sports (2:49), we’ll examine their top-10 list of college football valuations - and where we think they made a big mistake. Either way, college presidents are seeing dollar signs. When will they be crazy enough to act on this idea?

After seeing this intriguing article from Nielsen on media consumption, our minds shifted to sports television rights (17:47) and why we think ESPN is going to have to pay the piper for college football. We unpack behind-the-scenes details of the origins of the SEC Network and why those early philosophies may doom the Worldwide Leader moving forward.

And finally, when we thought we’d seen it all in college sports, we found an athletic director who outdid everyone for stupidity (43:44). Boggs is Up To His Ears and lets him know about it.

While awaiting for their check to come in the mail, we decided to let Nostalgia Gummies and 25-Hour Energy go ahead and run their ads (41:18). But, we promise this is the last time this is going to happen!

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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3 months ago
58 minutes 3 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Scheffler's Intriguing Press Conference, Has The House Settlement Pushed Higher Ed Too Far?, And Your Stories Hit Home

We’re back and better than ever. 

In Episode 13, we talk about the World #1's stunning press conference that sent shockwaves through the golf world. We unpack his brutally honest revelations and share how his powerful message can transform your own life's journey, both at work and at home (4:59).

Barca is Up To His Ears about the lunacy of higher ed and how universities are slapping on "student experience fees" while drowning in House Settlement debt. We expose the smoke and mirrors behind higher ed's latest money grab - and why you should be outraged (18:22).

And, in our final segment, we read one of your stories from the frontlines of sports and our emotional and candid conversation is one you won’t hear anywhere else (33:36).

Of course, we can’t go on any further without thanking our sponsors, although we’re still for waiting for payment, the Gaslight Group and Buy-In Or Get-Out (31:45).

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod

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3 months ago
56 minutes 16 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Mark Cohen, Longtime Collegiate Sports Communicator, Chats About His Career And Abrupt Departure

Longtime college sports communicator Mark Cohen probably slid into your social media feeds a little while back. The 36-year veteran of the business was abruptly let go in a four-minute meeting with his new athletic director at TCU earlier this summer, and the tributes poured in from all areas of sports to pay tribute to Cohen and his massive influence on the Horned Frogs’ most recent successes. I’m sure many of you were wondering, “Who is this guy?” Honestly, we wanted to get to know Mark, too.

So, we did. He joined us to talk about his journey as a college sports communicator (3:32), what he liked the most about working in college sports (12:51), how some things in sports can’t be replicated working in other fields (17:37), his non-negotiables (18:59), how being a true publicist is a lost art these days (29:55), how it felt to get such an outpouring of support on social media (31:46), what his immediate thoughts were after being relieved of a long career at TCU (35:19), what’s changed in the business in the last few years (40:59), what he thinks is next in college sports (46:04), did he think administrators took advantage of his passion? (48:34), and his involvement in the TCU community with two autistic sons (51:05). Also sprinkled throughout the podcast are his stories from the 2022 TCU national championship run - did he ever sleep?

We also had to inquire about his stint on “Stump the Schwab” (51:50) and his infamous flag in the 2018 Cheez-It Bowl (51:51).

This week’s sponsors of the podcast are The Four-MInute Exit Meeting and OnlyFans Sports Edition (28:04). Just in case sponsors were wondering, we do have Venmo. 

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

Find us on all of the socials at NLCPod.

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

X: https://x.com/nlcpod

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/nlcpo

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nlcpod

TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@nlcpod


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3 months ago
57 minutes 23 seconds

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Research Behind The Burnout: An Interview With Dr. Matt Huml

We’ve spent much of our time on this podcast speaking about the burnout associated with working in college sports and how it affected our personal and work lives. In this week’s episode, we speak to someone who has quantified our feelings into groundbreaking research.

Dr. Matt Huml, an Associate Professor at the University of Cincinnati, teaches sport administration courses in the College of Education, Criminal Justice, and Human Services. He is also on the forefront of the work issues that people working in college sports face every day. We ran across a piece in Sportico he and Dr. Elizabeth Taylor wrote in 2022 titled - Why Employees Are Fleeing The College Athletics Industry - and quickly chased down the rabbit hole of his work, which explains a lot about the current state of the business. We identified with his research, personified it, and we wanted to talk with him.

In 2019, he helped write a groundbreaking study titled Workaholism In Sport: A Mediated Model Of Work–Family Conflict And Burnout, which detailed the conflict that many of us have faced doing a job that we were passionate about. He’s also studied remote work for college athletic department personnel, he’s done research on the spouses of sports workers, and recently, published a study called Working to Live or Living to Work? How Daily Work Experiences Affect Sport Employees’ Biometric Health. 

In this episode, we’ll talk to Dr. Huml about some of the things he found out in his initial work on burnout (5:04), his findings and insight into work-family dynamics (9:55), the jaw-dropping turnover rate in collegiate sports (12:02), what burnout really is (18:21), how culture applies to actions on the field and not for the athletic department (27:45), do athletic directors really understand what’s happening (29:50), would staffers ever walk out (35:25), what he learned from actual staffers to try to even out work-life balance (36:50), and his advice for senior leadership to address burnout and to actually value the time of their staffers (37:20).

Dr. Huml also answers questions about generational trends in the industry (40:28), whether higher-ups will start building athletic culture around real family (41:30), and what would be the one big thing he would recommend for athletic directors (44:39). We wrap up the interview with Dr. Huml asking us a big question (58:46).

Special thanks to Dr. Huml for his time and insight for this fascinating interview. 

For more of Dr. Huml’s research, you can find it here.

Oh, and before we forget, we want to thank our newest sponsors, Slim’s Magic Carpet Rides and We Build Moats (32:19). We hope to see their multi-figured check in the mail soon. 

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

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3 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes 2 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Five Alarm Fire in College Sports, Wild Stories, And A Fresca To The Face

In Episode 10 of No Longer Credentialed, Barca is joined by special guest host Eric "Stooche" Jones, filling in while Boggs is on vacation. To mark the milestone 10th episode, Barca opens with a full Kenny Powers–style eulogy, declaring that Boggs now lives through him (0:30). Hell yeah, dude.

Then it’s a five-alarm fire rant (4:30) aimed squarely at athletic directors, as Barca torches leadership for their role in the House Settlement fallout and the mass layoffs sweeping college sports.

From there, it’s Wild Stories Working In Sports, a greatest-hits set of absurd moments from the trenches: A fan threatens to storm the office and fight Barca after Signing Day content doesn’t meet his donor expectations (10:00); A staff parking ticket sparks a lobby blowup and nearly turns into a fistfight (25:54); A gameday volunteer is crushed when a coach tosses her full can of Fresca from the podium in the trash (33:53); An elderly elevator operator accidentally strands an entire visiting coaching staff at the end of a game (40:57).

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

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3 months ago
49 minutes

No Longer Credentialed
A Summer HodgePodge, Our Full Zombie AD Lists, And Are Influencers The Next Frontier For Social Media Managers?

In our summer hodgepodge episode, we’ll give another run at HR and Leadership (2:35), we’ll recap our full Zombie AD lists from the House Settlement episode (20:07), and Barca is Up To His Ears about the current state of social media and wonders if social media influencers should be running the whole shabang (25:38).

This week’s episode is once again sponsored by Never Getting Promoted and Find My Boss. You remember - the Chiquita commercial (19:03).

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

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4 months ago
42 minutes 15 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
Players We Never Thought Would Make It And Are We Trying To Kill Men’s College Basketball?

In this episode, we take a look back at our over 40 years of experience working on the front lines in sports and reveal our top two players who have shocked us with their success in the professional ranks (2:35).

This week’s episode is sponsored by a metatarsal and a robot (19:50).

And while Boggs is concerned with all of the business aspects of men’s college basketball, he’s Up To His Ears about the structure of the game ON the court(38:55). Are we trying to kill it?

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

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YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NLCPod

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4 months ago
52 minutes 6 seconds

No Longer Credentialed
House Settlement Industry Fallout, We Go “ZombieAD”, and How Much Is Alabama Football Worth?

With the House Settlement finalized, we take a deep dive into the fallout of the agreement (2:39) and how it will impact the labor force in the industry (HINT: It’s a 5-alarm fire). We’ll also put on our ZombieAD hat and take a stab at ways to cut costs and raise revenue in these challenging times and introduce some ideas that college presidents surely have thought about. Is a major college football brand worth as much as the top-valued team in Major League Soccer? 

Our sponsors this week remind everyone working in sports about the grim times ahead (24:48), and Barca is Up To His Ears about cute job postings in the sports industry that really aren’t funny (47:17).

This episode was produced and written by Brandon Barca and Andy Boggs.

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4 months ago
53 minutes 1 second

No Longer Credentialed
Sports broke us. So we made a podcast instead of going to therapy.