What does it really mean to wait on God? To open our hands, release control, and trust His timing? In this conversation, Vivian Mabuni invites us into her story of returning to seminary later in life, writing her book Open Hands, Willing Heart, and learning to surrender with both courage and clarity. Vivian shares how waiting isn’t passive—it’s a steady, patient readiness that allows God to settle our hearts and bring clarity. She talks about what it means to live with a posture of surrender, not as resignation but as faithful obedience. We also explore the role of proximity and presence and why being with people who are different from us shapes our compassion, changes our language, and deepens our leadership. If you’ve ever wrestled with timing, struggled to let go of control, or wondered how to walk more faithfully in your calling, Vivian’s wisdom will encourage and challenge you in all the right ways.   Resources & Links Vivian’s site: vivianmabuni.com Her book Open Hands, Willing Heart: HERE Warrior in Pink:HERE Listen to Vivian on God Hears Her: godhearsher.org/podcast Follow Vivian on Instagram: @vivmabuni Justin & Trisha’s new book: One Choice Away from Change → Order Here Follow us on Instagram: @justindavis33 | @trishdavis_

In this powerful conversation, Trisha sits down with Cristina Baker to talk about her incredible journey from brokenness and addiction to freedom and faith in Christ. Cristina vulnerably shares her past struggles, including her arrest, suicidal thoughts, and feelings of hopelessness, and how God radically transformed her life. Together, they discuss: The reality of addiction, trauma, and living a double life How God met Cristiana in the most unexpected places The power of prayer and prophetic words in her journey to Jesus Why truth—not “my truth”—is what sets us free Encouragement for those who know Jesus but feel far from Him today Cristina’s story is a beautiful reminder that no one is too far gone, and that God’s love meets us in our darkest moments. Links & Resources Connect with Cristina on Instagram: @itscristinabaker Learn more about her ministry and resources: Cristina Baker Website  Follow Justin & Trisha on Instagram: @justindavis33 | @trishdavis_

Let’s be honest, life rarely unfolds the way we want it to. Sometimes it’s not just one challenge, but layers of messes: financial struggles, relational breakdowns, unmet expectations, that pile on top of each other until everything feels overwhelming. In this candid episode, Justin and Trish open up about what they call the messy middle. From a hilarious (and slightly cringe-worthy) vacation story Justin has never shared publicly before, to the very real struggles of shame, blame, and grief, this conversation explores what it looks like to stop hiding the mess and instead invite God into it. You’ll discover: Why the “quick fix” of sweeping problems under the rug doesn’t actually work The danger of trying to “move on” instead of “moving through” How grief can actually bring freedom and healing Biblical insights on how God meets us in our most unfiltered, unsanitized places If you’re walking through a season that feels overwhelming, this episode will remind you that your mess doesn’t disqualify you, it may just be the very place God wants to meet you. Links and Resources Follow Justin on Instagram: @justindavis33 Follow Trish on Instagram: @trishdavis_ Learn more about marriage, relationships, and resources at justinandtrisha.com

In this powerful and vulnerable episode of the Let’s Get Real Podcast, Justin and Trish sit down with bestselling author, speaker, and podcast host Mary Marantz. From growing up in a single-wide trailer in rural West Virginia to graduating from Yale Law School, Mary’s story is one of resilience, grit, and grace. Mary opens up about her journey of overcoming a scarcity mindset, wrestling with the wounds of childhood, and learning to expand her capacity for trust, worthiness, and calling. Together, we explore her latest book, Underestimated, where she takes a “systematic takedown of fear” and unpacks how fear shows up as perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, imposter syndrome, and even a fear of success. If you’ve ever felt like your past disqualifies you, or if fear and self-sabotage have kept you from stepping into what God has for you, this conversation will encourage you to believe that your story is not defined by where you started. Links and Resources Connect with Mary Marantz: marymarantz.com Mary’s book Underestimated: Order here Mary’s first book Dirt: Order here Listen to The Mary Marantz Show: HERE Follow Mary on Instagram: @marymarantz Connect with Justin & Trisha: Website: justinandtrisha.com Instagram: @justindavis33 | @trishdavis_ Book: One Choice Away from Change – Order here

In this episode of the Let’s Get Real podcast, Justin and Trish talk with their son, Micah E. Davis, about his new book Three Strikes and You’re Forgiven and his personal journey with forgiveness. They explore topics like cancel culture, the four movements of forgiveness, and how honesty and community lead to healing. Micah’s story offers practical and emotional insight for anyone navigating the challenges of forgiveness in everyday life.

Why do we keep doing the very things we don’t want to do? In this candid episode, Justin and Trisha open up about the beliefs, choices, patterns and cycles that can feel impossible to break: from scarcity mindsets to generational habits passed down without us even realizing it. They share personal stories, honest struggles, and the surprising key to change: naming the cycles that keep us stuck. Because when you can name it, you can begin to change it. Whether you’re wrestling with family patterns, fear, or simply the belief that “this is just who I am,” this conversation will encourage you to take one small but powerful step toward freedom.   Links and Resources: Connect with us: justinandtrisha.com Follow Justin on Instagram: @justindavis33 Follow Trisha on Instagram: @trishdavis_ Subscribe to our YouTube channel: Let’s Get Real Podcast  

Author Zach Windahl joins Justin and Trish to talk about his new book The Bible Simplified and how to make Scripture less overwhelming and more life-changing. They discuss overcoming doubt, finding Jesus throughout the Bible, and practical tips for reading God’s Word with confidence.

Season Six Wrap-Up: Reflections, Redemption & One Choice Away Episode DescriptionIn the Season 6 finale, Justin and Trish Davis reflect on their favorite moments and powerful conversations from the past few months. From themes of reconciliation and church hurt to parenting, addiction, and spiritual growth, this episode highlights how transformation begins with honesty and continues with courage. They revisit impactful interviews with guests like Derwin and Vicki Gray, Ian Morgan Cron, Brandon Heath, Lisa Whittle, Dr. Alison Cook, and Steve Carter—each offering a unique story of resilience and faith. Trish vulnerably shares about the loss of her father and how the journey toward forgiveness reshaped her life. Justin opens up about navigating hurt and healing in leadership and church settings. The Davises also share a personal announcement: they’re going to be grandparents! (Yes, seriously!) Season 6 may be wrapping up, but this episode is packed with encouragement, wisdom, and a call to trust God and take that next courageous step. Links and/or Resources🎧 365 Connecting Questions for Couples by Casey & Meygan Caston: Buy on Amazon📖 One Choice Away from Change by Justin & Trish Davis: Get Your Copy📖 The Fix by Ian Morgan Cron📖 Grieve, Breathe, Receive by Steve Carter📖 I Shouldn’t Feel This Way by Dr. Alison Cook📖 Lit Up With Love by Dr. Derwin Gray📍Have topic ideas for Season 7? Email us: admin@refineus.org📲 Follow Justin on Instagram: @justindavis33📲 Follow Trish on Instagram: @trishdavis_💬 Share this episode and leave a review to help others find real conversations that lead to real transformation.

Episode Title: Restoration, Intimacy & The Truth About Marriage (with Tony & Alisa DiLorenzo) Episode Description: Tony & Alisa DiLorenzo from One Extraordinary Marriage join Justin & Trish to share their powerful story—from a near-divorce to launching a global marriage movement. In this episode, they unpack how a 60-day sex challenge became a catalyst for healing, how to build all 6 types of intimacy (not just sexual), and why 2025 is a year of restoration for relationships. If you’ve ever felt stuck, disconnected, or unsure how to move forward in your marriage, this conversation is filled with hope, humor, and practical tools to help you grow stronger together. Links & Resources: Website: oneextraordinarymarriage.com Podcast: One Extraordinary Marriage Show Book: The 6 Pillars of Intimacy Justin & Trish: justinandtrisha.com Rate, review, and share with a friend!

🎙️ Episode Title: Take the Stairs, Face the Storm: Rory Vaden on Leadership, Calling, and Running Toward Hard Things   In this powerful conversation, Justin & Trish Davis sit down with Rory Vaden—NYT bestselling author of Take the Stairs and co-founder of Brand Builders Group—to talk about calling, imposter syndrome, and why the storms we fear most are often the doors to transformation. Rory shares his journey from crying on a street corner to coaching leaders like Ed Mylett, Amy Porterfield, and John Maxwell. He unpacks the Buffalo Principle, explains how fear is often spiritual distraction, and challenges listeners to serve the person they once were. This episode is packed with wisdom, truth, and encouragement for anyone who feels called to more. 🔗 Resources Mentioned: 🧠 Brand Builders Group 📘 Take the Stairs (book) 🦬 Be the Buffalo (kids book) 🎯 Free Brand Strategy Call Rate & review to help others discover real conversations that spark real transformation.  

🎙️ Episode Title: One Choice Away from Change: A Launch Day Conversation with Our Son Micah It’s book launch day! In this special episode, Justin & Trish invite their son Micah—a pastor and church planter—to lead a raw and hope-filled conversation about their new book, One Choice Away from Change. They reflect on the hard conversations, healing, and grace that shaped their family story and inspired this message. You’ll hear how God has used pain, forgiveness, and intentional growth to break cycles and bring transformation. Whether you’re single, married, or somewhere in between, this episode is for you. 🛒 Get the Book:👉 One Choice Away from Change on Amazon Thank you for your support on launch day! Every share, purchase, and review helps more people discover the freedom that comes from taking the next right step. Let me know if you'd like a short Instagram caption or graphic quote next.

Episode Title:Grieve, Breathe, Receive: Finding Healing in the Desert with Steve Carter Episode Description:In this powerful episode, Justin and Trish sit down with their friend, pastor, and author Steve Carter to talk about grief, leadership loss, betrayal, and spiritual resilience. Steve shares the story behind his book Grieve, Breathe, Receive and how a personal season of pain and disillusionment became an invitation to deeper healing and transformation. From navigating the fallout of a public church scandal to rediscovering God's presence in the desert, this honest conversation is full of wisdom for anyone walking through disappointment, deconstruction, or transition. Steve opens up about his unexpected resignation from Willow Creek, what it taught him about grief and spiritual formation, and how God reshaped his heart for ministry during years in the wilderness. Whether you’re in a season of letting go, waiting in uncertainty, or learning to forgive, this episode offers hope, direction, and real talk about the messy middle of spiritual growth. Links and Resources:🔹 Grieve, Breathe, Receive by Steve Carter🔹 The Craft & Character Podcast🔹 Learn more about Steve Carter🔹 Christ Church of Oak Brook🔹 Preorder One Choice Away from Change🔹 Follow Justin & Trish on Instagram  

🎙️ Episode Title:I Shouldn’t Feel This Way: Integrating Faith, Psychology, and Honest Healing with Dr. Alison Cook 🎧 Episode Description:In this rich and vulnerable conversation, Justin and Trish sit down with psychologist, author, and spiritual mentor Dr. Alison Cook to talk about emotional honesty, faith, shame, and the healing power of self-awareness. Dr. Cook shares the inspiration behind her book I Shouldn’t Feel This Way, and why integrating faith and psychology is essential—not contradictory—to spiritual formation. They explore the difference between conviction and shame, the danger of spiritual bypassing, how to stop "performing goodness," and why naming what’s hard is the first step toward healing. Whether you're a leader, a parent, or someone simply trying to live more whole and holy, this conversation offers deep wisdom and refreshing clarity. 🔗 Links & Resources: 📘 I Shouldn’t Feel This Way – Dr. Alison Cook 🌐 Dr. Alison Cook’s Website 🎧 The Best of You Podcast 📘 The Best of You (book) 📘 Preorder Justin & Trish's book – One Choice Away from Change 📲 Follow Justin & Trish on Instagram  

🎙️ Episode Title:Breaking Bitterness and Embracing Grace: A Candid Conversation with Lisa Whittle 🎧 Episode Description:In this powerful and deeply personal episode, Justin and Trish sit down with long-time friend, speaker, and author Lisa Whittle for an honest conversation about breaking toxic cycles, including bitterness, shame, and unmet expectations. Lisa reflects on navigating grief, growing up as a pastor’s kid, surviving her father’s public ministry fall, and what has anchored her faith through decades of leadership. She shares the deep work God continues to do in her life—particularly around bitterness and entitlement—and how shame shows up even when we think we’ve healed. If you’ve ever struggled with comparison, grief, or feeling “not enough,” this conversation will remind you that you are not stuck, and Jesus really does change everything. 🔗 Links & Resources:📘 God Knows by Lisa Whittle📘 The Hard Good by Lisa Whittle🎧 The Jesus Over Everything Podcast🌐 LisaWhittle.com📘 Preorder Justin & Trish’s book – One Choice Away from Change📲 Follow Justin & Trish on Instagram

🎙 Episode Title:Brandon Heath: Naming the Ache, Finding the Healing 📝 Episode Summary:Award-winning singer-songwriter Brandon Heath joins us from his tour bus for a raw and hope-filled conversation about music, father wounds, forgiveness, and the ache we all carry. Brandon opens up about the inspiration behind his 2024 album The Ache and shares how songwriting helps him process pain, find healing, and offer comfort to others. We talk about the tension between seeking approval and remaining faithful, the discipline of forgiveness, and how ordinary people can find holy confidence to share their stories—mess and all. This one will stir your heart. 💬 In This Episode: Why Brandon titled his latest record The Ache Growing up in Nashville and discovering music as a calling The childhood memory that shaped the album’s central theme Songwriting as a tool for processing grief and loss Wrestling with wanting to be heard vs. needing approval Breaking cycles of unforgiveness and practicing daily grace Encouragement for anyone who doesn’t feel “ready” to share their story The beauty of doing scary things—and trusting God with the results Brandon’s very Nashville answer to the California question 😄 🎵 Featured Album:The Ache by Brandon Heath (2024) – available now on all platforms. Start with track 1 for the full story experience. 🔗 Resources & Links: Listen to The Ache on Spotify Follow Brandon Heath on Instagram Connect with us at JustinAndTrisha.com 📣 Stay Connected:If this episode moved you, share it with a friend and tag us! And don’t forget to subscribe, rate, and review—it helps others find healing too.

Ian Morgan Cron joins Justin for a raw and hope-filled conversation on addiction, recovery, and transformation. Drawing from his new book The Fix, Ian shares how the 12 Steps—originally created for alcoholics—offer a powerful path to peace for everyone, not just those in crisis. They unpack the hidden addictions we all carry, the shame that keeps us stuck, and how honest community brings lasting change. Ian also explains how the Enneagram can help you recognize and overcome your core struggles. This episode is an invitation to freedom. In this episode:• Why addiction is more common than we think• The deeper spiritual problem behind every addiction• Ian’s relapse and recovery journey• How the 12 Steps create peace with God, self, and others• What the Enneagram reveals about our compulsions• How to help someone you love who is stuck• Why community is the opposite of addiction Resources & Links:→ Get The Fix + companion workbook: ianmorgancron.com→ Follow Ian on Instagram: @ianmorgancron→ Learn more about our work: justinandtrisha.com 🎧 Subscribe, share, and leave a review—it helps more people find healing and hope.

🎙️ Episode Title:Leading Yourself and Loving Your Neighbor with Dr. Derwin & Vicki Gray 🎧 Episode Description:In this powerful episode, Justin & Trish sit down with Dr. Derwin and Vicki Gray—authors, pastors, and founders of Transformation Church—for a deep and honest conversation about emotional health, marriage, leadership, and multiethnic ministry. The Grays share wisdom from three decades of marriage and ministry, reflecting on how leading yourself well flows from your identity in Christ—and how a healthy marriage is often the first ministry. They also unpack the challenges and rewards of pastoring a multiethnic church, and why true gospel transformation must move beyond personal salvation into reconciliation with others. This episode is packed with practical truth and encouragement for anyone who wants to grow spiritually, love others more deeply, and live lit up with love. 🔗 Links and/or Resources:🕊️ Derwin L. Gray's Website📘 Preorder Lit Up With Love by Dr. Derwin L. Gray: Available Here🏠 Transformation Church Sermons & Resources📕 How to Heal Our Racial Divide by Dr. Derwin L. Gray: Amazon Link💬 Follow Derwin on Instagram: @derwinlgray

Episode TitleChoosing Resilience: How One Choice Can Change Everything Episode DescriptionIn the Season 5 finale of the Let's Get Real Podcast, Justin and Trish Davis reflect on a year marked by resilience, loss, hope, and transformation. From setting goals that scare you to healing from trauma and disappointment, this conversation explores how intentional choices—even small ones—can lead to major breakthroughs. Trish vulnerably shares her two-year journey of returning to college and graduating with a degree in life coaching. From wrestling with imposter syndrome to celebrating alongside her family, friends, and Zumba community, her story is a powerful example of how resilience is built through the “messy middle.” Justin unpacks how goals become growth only when paired with vulnerability and accountability. This episode is an invitation to start where you are and embrace who you’re becoming. Whether you’re recovering from heartbreak, starting over professionally, or just trying to dream again, this heartfelt conversation will inspire you to take the next brave step toward becoming the person you want to be in 2025. Links and/or Resources📘 Preorder One Choice Away from Change: Break the Cycles That Hurt Your Relationships and Hold You Back — coming March 2025: Preorder Now🎙️ Listen to featured Season 5 episodes:– Episode 46: Davie Blackburn – Nothing Is Wasted– Episode 48: Adam Weber – Grief, Therapy, and Grace– Episode 50: Nick Conley – Panic, Anxiety, and God’s Presence📲 Follow Justin on Instagram: @justindavis33📲 Follow Trish on Instagram: @trishdavis_💬 Share this episode, tag us on socials, and tell someone the one choice you’re making as you head into the new year.

🎙️ Episode Title:From Roommates to Teammates: How to Rebuild Connection in Your Marriage 🎧 Episode Description:In this deeply relatable episode, Justin and Trish sit down with Casey and Meygan Caston, the founders of Marriage365 and authors of 365 Connecting Questions for Couples. The Castons share candidly about how their own marriage nearly ended in divorce and how they fought to rebuild not just their relationship—but their emotional intimacy and friendship.They unpack the journey of moving from “roommates” to true teammates, why emotional safety is the foundation of connection, and how childhood wounds often show up in our most intimate relationships. Whether you’re in a rough season or simply want to deepen your bond, this conversation will give you hope, tools, and laughter along the way. 🔗 Links and/or Resources:📕 Get 365 Connecting Questions for Couples (Revised & Updated)💬 Follow Marriage365 on Instagram: @marriage365🌐 Learn more about Marriage365📣 Stay connected with Justin & Trish📱 Follow on Instagram: @justindavis33 | @trishdavis_

On this episode of the Let's Get Real Podcast we are joined by author Kristen Hallinan. Kristen is the author of a new book called, Legacy Changer: Heal Your Hurts, Redeem Your Story, Create Hope for Your Family. You can follow Kristen on Instagram HERE You can check out Kristen's website HERE You can buy her book, Legacy Changer HERE