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Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
Dr. Shaunta D. Scroggins
61 episodes
1 week ago
Leaders should be well read, and Dr. Shaunta Scroggins takes on the task of providing reviews and recommendations for good leadership reads on her new podcast. The podcast is called “Leaders Lead, Leaders Read” (LLLR) and emphasizes leadership on every level. As a result, the book reviews include theory and textbook type leadership reads, biographies, and fiction. Leaders should be well read, and that means reading beyond personal preference. Leaders should read for challenge, for growth, and for comfort.
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Leaders should be well read, and Dr. Shaunta Scroggins takes on the task of providing reviews and recommendations for good leadership reads on her new podcast. The podcast is called “Leaders Lead, Leaders Read” (LLLR) and emphasizes leadership on every level. As a result, the book reviews include theory and textbook type leadership reads, biographies, and fiction. Leaders should be well read, and that means reading beyond personal preference. Leaders should read for challenge, for growth, and for comfort.
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Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E10: Navigating Transition

Thank you, Leaders, for arriving at the "end of the road" for season 6. This episode addresses navigating transitions. What are the necessary external and internal considerations for moving through transitions? Navigating transition also means navigating...

  • change
  • firsts and new things
  • altered states
  • waiting
  • the will of those who are decision makers
  • accessibility


Emphasis is placed on working on our trust, faith, and confidence. Trust our own mind, feet, hands, faculties, and training. Have faith that we are conditioned, through past completed transitions, to make the next right step.

Where we go for counsel and confirmation may change with transition. Navigating solo may be a reality check for some leaders, but does not make one a casualty. Know who is around and what is their purpose.

  1. Doers encourage action.
  2. Be-ers encourage mindfulness, thoughtfulness, and strategy.
  3. Connectors suggest resources.
  4. Builders and Strategists help assess the path and whether we are still on the path or diverted.
  5. Listeners let us vent and then challenge us to think ourselves out of stuck mindsets.


Congratulations leaders on taking the nuggets from this season to transition better. Lead well, read well!

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3 months ago
24 minutes 46 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E9: Mental Transitions

Are we paying attention to how we think and make mental transitions? And are our teams at the mercy of our mindsets? Do we, as leaders, have expectations of our teams that stem from strength or weaknesses in our ability to transition mentally?

This episode explores times of war, peace, and personal stress as initial examples of ways that we can pay attention to our thinking. Do our teams understand how we think and approach things? Are there any current misunderstandings due to miscommunications that track back to how we think?

Leaders have strong influence on the team's operations. Knowing how we transition mentally, and maybe learning how our team members transition mentally, can help with more clear communication. Please, take the next 5-10 business days and be mindful. Pay attention to thoughts and mental transitions.

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4 months ago
17 minutes 52 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E8: Moving

What kind of mover are you? Have you paid attention to your patterns of planning, packing, and moving? What patterns spill over into your leadership practice?

Listen as Dr. Shaunta Scroggins shares some personal lessons from reflection and observation about her moving history.

Our homework is to be thoughtful and grace-full in assessing ourselves. Look for change, growth, and patterns. Is our behavior constant or does it change when it's moving time? How much of our behavior is core to how we handle, manage, or lead other kinds of transitions?

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4 months ago
11 minutes 47 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E7: Language for Emotional Transitions

Click here for the link to a search result on "emotion wheel."

This episode emphasizes finding the best ways to use language during emotional transitions.

If ever asked how you feel, a tool to help communicate with simplicity and clarity is the emotion wheel. Dr. Scroggins explains how learning to find her words, and asking for time to do so, grounded her during transitions.

Let's practice saying what we mean in every situation, so that when important transitions arise, we will confidently speak up and know we are being authentic!


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5 months ago
14 minutes 22 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E6: Leading and Collaborating

This episode confronts the leadership trends of planting one's practice in only one model without room for growth and agility. Someone has to lead, AND there should be collaborative moments for team member contributions. We need both.

Models referenced: situational, servant, transformational leadership

Books referenced: Turn the Ship Around by L. David Marquet and Servant Leadership Characteristics in Organizational Life by DeGraaf, Tilley, and Neal

YouTube Interview with Captain Marquet: https://youtu.be/PbqTbGHd5K8?si=GmkQAvaBRiBO1-Fc

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6 months ago
14 minutes 51 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E5: Our Relationship to Time

This episode is about how we relate to time. Have we thought about how our earliest conditioning has helped or hindered how we transition with time? Deadlines, synchronizing schedules with others, making appointments, keeping appointments, deciding when our time is wasted or best spent, and more. What were your earliest lessons about time? Who taught you?

Take a day, a week, and pay attention. Pay attention to howyou show up in your life. On an average day,

  1. Do you wake up at your alarm or turn over?
  2. Do you have slow mornings or does your day begin with a rushed flurry of activity?
  3. Do you eat breakfast?
  4. Do you have a morning meditation or prayer time?
  5. Do you arrive to your work early—whether in a physical location or your home office?
  6. What about meetings?
  7. Do you take an offsite lunch?
  8. Do you work into the evenings on most nights?
  9. What about your deliverables? Do you plan your work and work your plan? Or do you work under pressure close to the deadline?
  10. Do you volunteer? Serve in a faith community? Take classes for continuing ed, a certification or degree?


Books referenced in this episode are 86400: Manage Your Purpose to Make Every Second of Each Day Count by Lavaille Lavette and Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less by Greg McKeown. Listen to episode 8 in season 1 for a review of Essentialism.

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6 months ago
9 minutes 5 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E4: Rest is Resistance: A Manifesto by Tricia Hersey

This episode is a review of Rest Is Resistance: A Manifesto by Tricia Hersey.

Leaders, how are you resting in your transitions? What were you taught about rest? What do you believe about rest?

Some say, "I'll rest when I'm dead." Others say, "I'll rest when I finish this or that."

Tricia Hersey, founder of the Rest Is Resistance framework, shares other thoughts about rest. Much more than an exhortation to rest, this book faults capitalism and white supremacy--starting on plantations-- as the generator of what we know today as grind culture. Full of reasoning, anecdotes, inspirations and calls to action, Hersey has inspired many to set a rest practice with intention.

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7 months ago
21 minutes 18 seconds

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S6E3: I.O.U., Then and Now

In this episode, we are flung back in time to our 22-year-old selves. Were we leaders? Dr. Shaunta shares a recent experience in memory when reconnecting with a former boss and his wife. She realized his leadership and impact on her life and leadership practice at the end of this meeting.

Today we take a journey and consider if there's an I.O.U. anywhere for you. Is there anyone for you to thank? OR, how can you live your thanks by creating room for others?

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7 months ago
15 minutes 56 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E2: How to Walk Into a Room by Emily P. Freeman

This is a review for How to Walk into a Room: The Art of Knowing When to Stay and When to Walk Away by Emily P. Freeman.

In this season where we focus on transitions, this book provides a coach, guiding questions, appropriate anecdotes, and thought-provoking perspectives. Entering and exiting are the modes of our life. We are always moving in one of these directions. Where Emily P. Freeman applies pressure and places significance is the how. How we enter and exit rooms matter.

This is a faith-driven book for everyone. There are explicit references to God for believers in Jesus Christ. But if you are not a person of faith, there is much to be gained for personal reflection, growth, and practice.

If you have read this book, leave a comment with how it helped you. If you have not read this book, consider adding it to your library.

Lead well, read well.

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7 months ago
20 minutes 56 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E1: Expectations Around Transition

"Life is a book we read by circumstance, one after another."

In this season of transition, personal and organizational, leaders need to name our expectations. Our responses of deep frustration or deep appreciation clue us in to our expectations.

Asking for help in transition should be a universal expectation. Join Dr. Scroggins for this reflective episode on the expectations we have of ourselves, others, and entities during layers of nuanced transition.

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8 months ago
20 minutes

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S6E0: Intro -- Transitions

We're back, and ready to talk about transitions. Thanks for getting caught up on the other seasons.

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8 months ago
7 minutes 23 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E10: Cultural Intelligence, Part Two

The Livermore model of Cultural Intelligence is now complete: Drive, Knowledge, Strategy, and Action. Listen to the book review in season one, and then parts one and two for a deeper dive on practicing cultural intelligence. Consider adding cultural intelligence to emotional intelligence emphases and see more benefit in cross-cultural interactions. The bottom line is this, leaders: it is easy to grow. There is much we can to do improve our serve -- first to self, then to others, then to entities. A little practice consistently goes a long way. Give these thoughts a try, and add the Livermore book to your libraries. Take the quiz to determine your current CQ, practice some, and then take the quiz again. Let's plan for cross-cultural interactions and when we show up, be willing to learn and receive feedback.

Reference: Leading with Cultural Intelligence: The Real Secret to Success (2nd ed.) by David Livermore

The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter.



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2 years ago
20 minutes 22 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E9: Cultural Intelligence, Part One

How willing are we, leaders, to transform ourselves by addressing our biases and assumptions? This is the bottom line of our cultural competence in leadership, to work from the inside out on our views of others. In this episode, Dr. Shaunta uses David Livermore's book on cultural intelligence to discuss the first to quadrants of his CQ model: Drive and Knowledge. There are several ways to see the impact of culture in our workplaces and we are challenged to consider culture in our interactions with our teams. Cultural intelligence is not just for "overseas travel." Cultural intelligence applies to interstate travel, intrastate travel, locally in our cities, and with our next door neighbors. Let's be honest with ourselves, leaders, and push ahead in transformation. For the review of the Livermore text, see the first season of episodes.

Reference: Leading with Cultural Intelligence: The Real Secret to Success (2nd ed.) by David Livermore

The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter.


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2 years ago
28 minutes 7 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E8: Observing Patterns / Coaching Opportunities

All people bring baggage into the workplace. Some people manage well, disassociating to get the work done. Others have permanent baggage that cannot be resolved or escaped, and can have lingering effects in the workplace. Or, there could be simple bad habits like tardiness and a lack of consideration for others. How long do/should leaders wait to address patterns through coaching? In this episode, Dr. Shaunta presents three scenarios where team members demonstrate patterns that long term, could inhibit morale, productivity, or the team member's promotability. Keeping in mind that there are factors over which leaders have neither influence nor control, what is the best practice for action when observing patterns?

The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter.


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2 years ago
18 minutes 15 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E7: Quiet Quitting, Quiet Firing, Silent Treatment... or Simply Shy
Today's topic is about the combinations of behaviors we can observe in the work environment. When it happens, how do we know with certainty which behaviors we see and experience from team members? When is the best time to take action, and which actions should we take? People who are shy can be limited without support and some understanding. Quiet quitters will not flourish in an organizational culture that prizes doing more that what is required. Listen as Dr. Shaunta considers these scenarios. The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter. 
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2 years ago
18 minutes 29 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E6: Pulling Rank

Today's topic is about pulling rank in today's work environment. When it happens, why does one pull rank? Longevity is not as big a prize as it once was in the working world. Depending on the industry, changing roles every two years or less is the norm. So then, is pulling rank a toxic behavior? Listen as Dr. Shaunta considers potential reasons why pulling rank is problematic.


The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter. 

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2 years ago
11 minutes 21 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E5: Hoarding Information

Today's topic considers whether hoarding information is a toxic behavior. Dr. Shaunta presents a few scenarios where, if leaders withhold information to sadistically experiment with teams, hoarding information is toxic. Leaders, what is your conviction about sharing information? Do you enjoy having the information simply because others do not have the information? Do you want to see how innovative your teams will be only partially informed? How open is too open to be with your teams? Has a previous experience shaped your conviction about sharing information?

References mentioned: Servant-Leadership Characteristics in Organizational Life by Don De Graaf, Colin Tilley, and Larry Neal

The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter. 

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2 years ago
10 minutes 2 seconds

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S5E4: Parenting Leadership?

Today's topic is inspired by a statement of my coworker. "Sometimes, you have to treat them like your kids." Yes, you read that right. In an intergenerational office setting, younger workers (and the rest of us too, if we're honest) act like children in the workplace. We become needy or destructively resistant: whining, excessive complaining, avoiding responsibility, making excuses, claiming a lack of understanding, and placing motivation in the same bucket as preference. Dr. Shaunta considers the question "where is the line" for accountability, policy, and action in the workplace. How long is long enough for coaching, training, and repeating? When is the right time to act -- from demotion, to work reallocation, or termination?

The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter. 



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2 years ago
18 minutes 6 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E3: Boomerang Empowerment

Today's topic is about Marquet's idea of empowerment versus emancipation and team members who resist the challenge to autonomous work. Younger workers enter established office environments for the first time or are new to the industry. They perform well in interviews, look great on resumes, but have difficulty adjusting to a free work setting. Dr. Shaunta considers the ideas of empowerment, emancipation, accommodations, and reciprocation in the leader-teams dynamic. Why can't everyone lead?

References mentioned: Turn the Ship Around! by L. David Marquet

The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter. 



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2 years ago
18 minutes 10 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
S5E2: Is Toxicity Terminal?

Today's topic asks whether toxic leadership is terminal. The answer is no, toxic leadership can be addressed successfully and replaced with transformational policies and practices. Dr. Shaunta refers to Alma Ortega's six scenarios that are not toxic leadership from Ortega's book Academic Libraries and Toxic Leadership (2017). These scenarios inspire leaders to think more broadly about defining toxic leadership beyond opinions and experiences.

  1. Dynamic leaders with high and reasonable expectations
  2. Self-starters who value discipline and set realistic deadlines
  3. Absences for good reasons, such as overlapping duties on committees
  4. Leaders who ask for transparency when teams do not fulfill responsibilities
  5. Personality clashes
  6. Incompetence

References mentioned: Academic Libraries and Toxic Leadership by Alma Ortega; Transforming Toxic Leaders by Alan Goldman

The Leaders Lead, Leaders Read Podcast is sponsored by the Center for Legacy Driven Leadership. Sharing the language of leadership through toxic leadership awareness and prevention, and leader development. Follow us on social media @legacyleadershipcenter. 

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2 years ago
18 minutes 47 seconds

Leaders Lead, Leaders Read with Dr. Shaunta Scroggins
Leaders should be well read, and Dr. Shaunta Scroggins takes on the task of providing reviews and recommendations for good leadership reads on her new podcast. The podcast is called “Leaders Lead, Leaders Read” (LLLR) and emphasizes leadership on every level. As a result, the book reviews include theory and textbook type leadership reads, biographies, and fiction. Leaders should be well read, and that means reading beyond personal preference. Leaders should read for challenge, for growth, and for comfort.