Jon sits down with Christian Ruf to discuss why labor-intensive small businesses need both affordable global talent and battle-tested leaders who thrive in chaos. Christian’s specialty is recruiting former military personnel. He’s not just thanking veterans for their service, but also solving a specific problem for lower-middle-market companies stuck between drowning in operations and being unable to  afford a $250K president. Christian personally experienced the ego death necessary to understand what small business operators actually need. After all, he’s flown helicopters in special operations and power-washing patios for country music stars, earning more than $20/hour. All drawn from real and raw on-the-ground experience! Jon and Christian distinguish between two hiring categories. First, the premium tier: former special forces operators with MBAs commanding $180-250K as COOs and presidents. But the real volume, and arguably bigger impact, sits in the second category: former company commanders earning their undergrad at state schools, serving 5-7 years, then spending a few years discovering they hate wealth management. These leaders command roughly $10K/month and provide asymmetric value to small business owners who need someone to "just run the show." Only 1 of 55 placements had industry experience. Operators need to read between the lines of a resume to find these guys and girls. A pilot who flew night missions at 300 feet over Syria while being shot at can probably manage restaurant operations. The military community provides a translated skill set that small business owners struggle to evaluate: leadership under chaos, accountability systems, and the ability to link strategic intent to tactical execution. TIMESTAMPS:(01:23) From Special Operations Helicopter Pilot to Small Business Operator(05:42) The Handyman Ego Death: Power Washing Investor Patios(10:17) Strategic Partnership: 50% Off Executive Recruiting for Sagan Members(13:35) Two Categories of Military Hires: Upper vs Lower End(15:07) Category One: Special Forces + MBA = $180-250K Leadership(20:56) Why Industry Experience Doesn't Matter(22:20) Category Two: The $10K/Month GM Who Just Runs the Show(31:50) Translation Services: Flying at 300 Feet Over Syria vs Restaurant Stress Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter tackle the hardest pivot for operator-minded entrepreneurs: recognizing when systematic optimization becomes a distraction from strategic leverage. Peter's consulting for AppFolio, a publicly-traded property management software company with thousands of customers in Crane's exact target market. He's speaking on stage with their CMO at conferences. Yet, up till recently, he was still grinding through membership drives like a bootstrapped startup. Jon's intervention is part confrontation, part masterclass in "deal guy" thinking. While Peter was perfecting his systems, Jon believed he was overlooking the partnership that could deliver more members in one email blast than six months of webinars. In short, Jon says that engineers optimize existing systems, while deal-makers architect new leverage points that make old systems irrelevant. Next, Jon and Peter discuss vehicle selection within industries. They believe that no operator is ever stuck in a bad business model, but that they’re likely adjacent to better ones. Property managers become software companies. Gym owners become SaaS founders. The question isn't whether your industry has potential, but whether you've chosen the right vehicle and identified your center of gravity. That single relationship or initiative that carries along a dozen minor results. Jon then introduces backwards planning from desired outcomes, the art of having your pitch ready when green lights appear, and why you must be prepared to "go all the way" in the moment. Peter explores the Rule of 40 as a forcing function: if your business isn't either growing fast or printing money, you're playing the wrong game entirely KEY TOPICS:(02:23) Why Jon Isn’t Into Clickbait for Top-of-Funnel(11:03) Stop Running Bake Sales and Just Close the Deal(17:20) Being a "Deal Guy" vs. Systems Thinker(19:00) The Center of Gravity: Marine Corps Strategic Thinking(22:08) Vehicle Selection Within Your Industry(26:00) Momentum in Deal-Making: Being Ready to Close(30:00) The Rule of 40 for Business Health(34:00) Competing With Your Customers or Vendors(41:23) Toyota Way Principles for Small Business(44:00) Crane Conference Insights and the Power of Pins Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon coaches Priscilla, a first-time manager at Sagan, through one of management's fundamental challenges: being accountable for everything while not doing everything yourself. Priscilla manages six recruiters and struggles with the classic new manager trap: when something goes wrong, she pulls control back and starts reviewing every email. Jon introduces the Marine Corps concept of "directed telescopes," where managers selectively sample their team's work rather than monitoring everything. Instead of being CC'd on every email, he advises Priscilla to periodically dive deep into specific projects, checking calendars, reviewing select emails, and asking targeted questions during one-on-ones. This creates "fingertip feel", or knowing what's happening without being in every meeting. The conversation reveals a critical distinction between mistake types. Jon embraces "aggressive mistakes" (errors made while pushing boundaries or exercising judgment) and has zero tolerance for "sloppy mistakes" stemming from laziness or lack of attention. When a team member pushes back too hard on a client, Jon backs them up. When someone leaves AI prompts visible in an email, that's unacceptable. Priscilla can't work her way out of this problem by staying later and reviewing more emails. She must think her way out by developing her team. The goal is getting her voice into their heads, so they anticipate her standards without needing constant oversight. Drawing from his own experience with mentors, Jon describes how effective leaders create space for growth while maintaining clear expectations and documentation through proper feedback frameworks. KEY TOPICS(01:40) Why Leaders Need to Foster Accountability Without Being a Control Freak(04:55) "Directed Telescopes": The Marine Corps Sampling Method(06:51) Creating "Fingertip Feel" Without Micromanaging(09:31) Mistakes of Aggression vs Mistakes of Sloppiness(12:51) The Four Steps of Giving Feedback Framework(20:11) Getting Your Voice Into Your Team's Heads(24:12) Rose-Colored Glasses: Priscilla's Leadership Strength and Weakness Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter crack open the real opportunity in AI for small businesses (hint: it's not what most operators think). Forget personal productivity hacks that save you five minutes on email. Forget launching the next big SaaS product that becomes a customer support nightmare. The gold sits squarely in category two: internal tools for your team. Jon's built $50-100K of monthly value at Sagan using Replit and some API connections. Not by selling software, but by solving their actual constraint: screening 1,000 applicants for a single role. What used to take a week and a half now happens instantly, with AI dynamically ranking candidates so humans can start at the top of the list. Peter's advice for the last 12 years was "conform your business to the tools." Things are a little different now. With AI coding assistants, you can build exactly what you want, how you want it to work. No more spaghetti workflows. No more feature requests. No more conferences. The framework is deceptively simple: identify your constraint, then attack it with AI and automation. For Sagan, it was screening speed. For property managers, it might be lead flow. Jon and Peter then go tactical. If you want to blow past your competitors, have AI monitor their listings, identify the property owner, generate custom direct mail with an impressionistic rendering of their house, and dynamically select messaging based on which competitor they're using. Total cost: $130 in Replit credits. Big companies have thousand-person software teams building internal tools. Now that capability is democratized. Your maintenance guy can get an optimized route with required tools pulled from inventory. Not because you're a 20,000-door operation, but because you spent two hours in Replit. TIMESTAMPS:(01:00) Three Categories: Personal, Internal, and External Tools(02:04) Why Internal Tools Are the Sweet Spot(11:54) Theory of Constraints: Finding Your Attack Vector(18:25) Property Management Lead Flow Constraints(22:04) Building an Owner Portal in Two Hours(25:46) Sagan's AI Screening System: 1,000 Applications Ranked Instantly(39:12) Automated Competitor Targeting with Custom Direct Mail Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter explore how stepping away from your business acts as the ultimate forcing function for operational excellence. Peter's "Crane break" concept (taking a month off annually) isn't about vacation; it's about exposing every bottleneck, dependency, and broken process that keeps you chained to daily operations. By putting the break on the calendar five months out and announcing it to his team, Peter creates urgency around solving constraints. First it's password resets. Then payroll. Then exception handling. Each solved constraint buys more freedom. Jon introduces a crucial framework: businesses exist to serve their owners, not the other way around. This isn't about neglecting customers. It's about recognizing that an exhausted, trapped owner serves no one well. He describes entrepreneurship as climbing Maslow's hierarchy: first you make payroll, then get health insurance, then finally ask bigger questions about mission and meaning. Many entrepreneurs get stuck at lower levels, never graduating to consider whether they even like their industry. The discussion pivots to transaction costs and firm boundaries, exploring how falling costs create new business models. Where once you needed McKinsey and a Manila office to hire globally, now you can direct-hire through platforms like Sagan. Similarly, businesses like Yardzen unbundled design from installation, using Facebook ads and remote designers while letting local contractors handle execution risk. Jon and Peter challenge operators to think differently about constraints. Rather than collecting frameworks and tools hoping something sticks, use time freedom as your north star. Every operational decision should answer one question: does this get me closer to or further from my Crane break? Key Topics:(02:09) The Crane Break Concept: Taking a Month Off Annually(07:00) Property Management's Operational Intensity vs Other Sectors(09:23) Constraint-Based Thinking for Time Freedom(12:34) "A Business Exists to Serve Its Owner" Philosophy(15:14) Hierarchy of Entrepreneurial Needs: From Survival to Purpose(25:59) Negative Goals: Knowing What You Don't Want(32:48) The Yardzen Model: Unbundling Design from Installation(36:03) Global Hiring: From McKinsey to Direct Access Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter debate their contrasting approaches to building teams in small businesses. Jon champions a "build" philosophy - hiring entry-level talent, particularly global workers, and developing them into leaders over time. His approach is deeply influenced by Marine Corps culture, particularly when it comes to indoctrination, loyalty, and creating a distinct organizational ethos. He’s never hired a six-figure employee outside of commission-based salespeople, preferring to cultivate talent from within. Peter takes the opposite stance with a "buy" strategy, bringing in experienced professionals who command higher salaries but deliver immediate results. His engineering background shaped his preference for expertise and the ability to hit the ground running. Peter argues that paying premium rates for proven talent often delivers better ROI, particularly for critical business functions. Peter's property management company provided predictable recurring revenue, allowing for bigger bets on expensive hires. Jon operated with tighter cash flow constraints, making survival the priority. They explore the role of business coaches and consultants, with Jon skeptical of their value while Peter embraces external expertise. Both acknowledge their approaches have merit, suggesting the optimal strategy likely falls between their extremes, depending on business stage, cash flow, and growth objectives. Key Topics:(01:38) Jon’s “Build” Philosophy vs Peter’s “Buy” Strategy(05:39) Jon's Passion for Training and Developing People(12:43) Marine Corps Culture Influence on Organizational Philosophy(16:51) Higher Floor vs Higher Ceiling: Comparing Hiring Strategies(26:54) The Value of Business Coaches and Consultants(36:10) Building a "Presidential Guard" of Loyal Long-Term Team Members Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

In this episode, Peter sits down with Jon Matzner to discuss the integration of artificial intelligence in small business operations. They begin by exploring the host’s day-to-day challenges and how to stay on top of AI implementation within his own company. Jon shares how Sagan uses AI to streamline processes and emphasizes the importance of founders being actively involved in meaningful AI adoption. They also discuss how to differentiate between tactical and strategic uses of AI to create real value. The conversation dives into the need for a strategic vision to guide AI projects and how to build trust and consistency within the team. They offer practical advice on identifying opportunities for AI implementation by looking at company outputs and SLAs. Finally, the episode covers continuous process improvement, experimenting with new technologies, and rebuilding trust with teams. Listeners will gain key insights into leadership, AI strategies, and transforming workflows in small businesses. Key Topics:(00:46) AI at Work: Transforming Small Business(01:35) When AI Gets You Tangled in Ops-I don’t even know who does what in my company(06:31) AI Beyond the Buzz: Assistance vs Strategy(16:07) If you have AI, what is your manager’s job?(21:31) AI: Still an Art, Not a Science(26:25) Lean Lessons: Fix What Matters(31:40) We should get a factory, Jon! (or not?)(35:18) Strategic Choices and Competitive Advantages(42:48) Leading with Trust and Consistency, not with AI(58:20) The baby formula (better with twins) - final thoughts Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon sits down with Aizik Zimerman, who bought J. Blanton Plumbing three years ago at $6 million in revenue and has since grown it to a $25 million run rate—without acquiring a single company. His secret? He doesn't think he runs a plumbing company at all. "We're a consumer sales and marketing business," Aizik says. "We just happen to install plumbing." This mindset shift explains why he has two full-stack developers, a fleet of overseas recruiters, and runs 10 marketing events per week across Chicago. Jon talks to Aizik about his unconventional approach to the skilled labor shortage. While competitors struggle to find plumbers, he's built a 40-person global team handling everything from inbound calls to permit pulling. This allows him to pay his field technicians $4-6 above market rates without raising prices, creating what Jon calls "labor specialization at $10 million instead of $200 million." They dive deep into the power of obsession. Aizik admits he listens to home services podcasts for fun and treats business like a game where you need to master both consumer branding and blue-collar labor management. As Jon notes, channeling Naval: "It's hard to be the best plumber in the world, but straightforward to be the best plumber-marketer combination." They also break down bet sizing, multichannel marketing density, and why organic growth beats acquisitions when you're printing money. Aizik's approach is to find what works, then do 10x more of it. Key Topics:(05:40) From 20 to 130 Employees: The Growth Story(13:51) Solving the Skilled Labor Crisis with Global Talent(18:56) Single-Task Global Employees and ROI(22:37) Labor Specialization: The $10M Company Secret(25:27) Revenue Stair-Steps: $6M to $25M Journey(32:21) Multichannel Marketing and Geographic Domination(35:17) The Naval Principle: Being the Best Combination(44:21) Bet Sizing and Risk Management Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Why do some businesses thrive on cold outreach and educational content while others find these tactics completely ineffective? Peter draws on his own recent experience where, despite running monthly webinars all year with heavy promotion across multiple channels, his property management company barely attracts 20 live attendees (half being employees). Meanwhile, a hastily organized webinar for his other audience of property management business owners pulled 250 attendees with minimal effort. "You can't cold call somebody and say, 'Hey, do you have any leaky pipes?'" Jon quips, making the point that property management marketing differs from other industries. When someone needs a plumber, they need one NOW. When someone needs a property manager, they either desperately need one or they don't. There's no middle ground you can market your way into. Next, Jon and Peter talk marketing economics. With a $45,000 lifetime value but a one-year payback period where they lose money, Peter's property management business faces unique challenges. Jon proposes radical solutions: downselling to free management forever (monetizing through maintenance fees) or creating intro offers that recover customer acquisition costs immediately. They explore the difference between home services (search-driven, time-sensitive, skilled labor constrained) and home improvement (demand creation, higher ticket, schedulable). Property management sits awkwardly between these models, explaining why consolidators prefer acquiring 150-door portfolios over organic growth. Finally, Jon pushes Peter toward more aggressive marketing tactics: exploding offers, upsell sequences, and the Hormozi principle that "sales create sales." While Peter worries about cheapening his brand, Jon argues he's nowhere near that danger zone. Understanding your industry's fundamental dynamics matters more than copying tactics from other sectors. The real work of leadership is setting and showing the standard, whether that's in marketing strategy or morning standups. Key Topics:(04:34) Why Companies Acquire vs Grow Organically(17:23) The 3% Buyer's Pyramid Problem(25:05) Free Management Forever Downselling Strategy(32:05) The Power of Enriched Data Collection(36:50) Hormozi's "Sales Create Sales" Philosophy(42:55) Setting Standards as Leadership Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter crack open one of the most perplexing puzzles in modern B2B marketing: why Peter's tiny 15,000-subscriber newsletter drives a significant fraction of what Daring Fireball makes with 2.5 million monthly visitors. And why Shaan Puri, with his top-10 business podcast, converted exactly 6 customers from 550 referrals to Somewhere. The conversation starts with their origin stories - Jon's 2009 CrossFit philosophy blog that got him flown places at 24, Peter's Twitter journey that Moses Kagan pushed him into -but quickly evolves into something more profound. They're seeing a fundamental shift in how skeptical business owners make purchasing decisions. The old playbook of interrupt marketing, Facebook ads, and growth hacking for maximum eyeballs is dying. Replacing it are high-trust vertical communities where people actually pay to participate. In fact, Jon says that he’d rather own a vertical community than a vertical SaaS right now. In an era of AI-generated content slop, business owners will increasingly retreat to closed communities for their most important decisions. Jon and Peter dissect why generic business influencers fail while niche operators thrive. The secret sauce isn't just authenticity - it's having skin in the game and being willing to piss people off. As Jon puts it, channeling Chappelle: "You don't always have to be funny, but you always have to be interesting." Key Topics:(08:15) The B2B Marketing Crisis: Why Vendors Can't Reach Customers(11:00) Shaan Puri's 1% Conversion Rate Problem(19:29) Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook(22:58) Why Vertical Communities Beat Vertical SaaS(27:57) The Peter Playbook vs. The Media Playbook(32:21) Authenticity and Showing Up Online(35:47) The Michelin Guide Strategy for Customer Acquisition(41:00) Having Skin in the Game: Why Business Influencers Fail(45:46) Final Thoughts: Automatic Blinds and AI Customer Databases Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter dive into one of those ideas that sounds crazy at first but might actually be brilliant: buying luxury vacation properties as a business expense that doubles as a killer member benefit. Jon's been noodling on this concept for months, and it's finally survived his brutal idea-filtering process (which involves annoying everyone from his CFO to random Twitter buddies until the bad ideas die off). Here's the pitch: Sagan would purchase several properties—think ski chalets, beach houses, maybe something in Mexico—and offer them to members at 50-75% below Airbnb rates. The kicker? Thanks to bonus depreciation and some creative tax structuring, the whole thing could essentially pay for itself while adding a premium benefit that helps with member retention. Peter initially pushes back hard on the operational nightmare this could become. Nobody wants to field calls about broken ice makers or dirty towels. But as they hash it out, the vision gets clearer: professional property management with multiple layers between Jon and any actual guest issues, properties strategically located for both vacations and corporate retreats, and a focus on serving their high-trust member base rather than random Airbnb guests. Successful entrepreneurs develop strategy not through formal PowerPoints and weighted decision matrices, but through relentless debate, pattern recognition, and asking "will this actually f***ing work?" over and over until the answer becomes clear. Key Topics:(01:49) The Art of Business Ideation: Volume Shooting vs. Analysis Paralysis(11:56) Introducing the Vacation Property Concept for Sagan Members(15:29) Bonus Depreciation and Tax Strategy Explained(21:29) Solving the Property Management Problem Before It Starts(27:51) Facilitating Global Team Meetups at Member Properties(31:11) Location Strategy: East Coast, West Coast, International(34:06) Building the Management Structure and Avoiding Operational Headaches Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon sits down with Wes Gay, a StoryBrand certified consultant who's been living and breathing the framework for almost a decade. He’s here to break down why most business messaging falls flat (and how to fix it). The conversation dives deep into the seven-part StoryBrand framework, which treats your customer as the hero of their own story while positioning your business as the guide. Wes walks through each step: hero (your customer), problem (what they're struggling with), guide (you, with empathy and authority), plan (clear steps to success), call to action (what they should do next), and success or failure (the stakes). What makes this framework so powerful is its simplicity. Instead of talking about how great your company is or listing features, you focus on solving specific problems for specific people. Wes shares real examples, from CarMax's three-step car selling process to how changing one button from "Schedule a Demo" to "Talk to an Expert" increased leads by 40%. The second half gets tactical about finding your ideal customer. Wes reveals his favorite exercise: asking business owners to identify their favorite customers from the last two years - the ones who paid full price, said yes fastest, and became repeat buyers. Usually, one type emerges as 85% of the business. They wrap up discussing how StoryBrand thinking can help refine Sagan's messaging, moving beyond "we provide global talent" to something more specific about helping growing companies hire affordably. People don't buy what's best, they buy what they understand best. Key Topics: (01:36) The 7-Part StoryBrand Framework(21:58) Why Sagan's Messaging Could Be Clearer (And How to Fix It)(32:22) The Exercise That Reveals Your Real Target Customer(46:20) How One Button Change Increased Leads by 40%(47:08) Ideas for Using AI to Mine Customer Testimonials for Better Messaging Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon sits down with Brian Wilson, a retired Marine Corps Major who now heads Sagan's Knowledge and Automation group, to break down why most business owners are terrible at implementing AI and automation (and it's not for the reasons you might think). Right off the bat, Brian gives us a reality check: most people creating content about AI and automation have never actually turned wrenches in a real business. They're content experts, not practitioners. He shares stories from live training sessions where it takes 23 minutes just to get someone to admit what their actual problem is, because everyone's been conditioned to think they need complex tech solutions instead of addressing the real issues. They dive deep into the "duct tape and zip ties first" philosophy: why you should always try the simplest possible solution before building anything fancy. Brian tells the story of talking a nonprofit out of a $20,000 custom CRM when a $1,600/year data entry person could handle everything with a spreadsheet. The second half gets into the psychology of why business owners get seduced by shiny new tools instead of mastering the fundamentals. Using Marine Corps doctrine and CrossFit analogies, Jon and Brian explain why the most successful people use the simplest tools with virtuoso-level execution. They wrap up by introducing Sagan's new "skill sprints", 30-day challenges designed to build real automation habits through daily practice with a cohort, starting with company wikis in August. Key Topics:(03:08) Why Most AI Content Creators Have Never Actually Solved Real Problems(11:18) When SaaS Solutions Actually Make Your Problems Worse(16:08) The "Duct Tape and Zip ties First" Philosophy of Automation(24:36) Why Action Produces Information (And Planning Doesn't)(34:27) The Power of 30-Day Skill Sprints for Building Automation Habits Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter tackle one of the most stressful parts of running a business that nobody talks about: getting sued. Or threatened with lawsuits. Or dealing with angry lawyers sending nasty letters demanding ridiculous amounts of money. It happens to almost every business owner, but nobody shares war stories because of shame, legal settlements with gag clauses, and the general awkwardness of admitting you're in legal hot water. Jon and Peter break that silence with practical advice from the trenches. They cover how to tell the difference between someone who's actually dangerous (rich people who can afford to throw $20K at a lawyer just to mess with you) versus someone who's all bark and no bite (anyone who mentions their "brother-in-law the lawyer"). You'll learn why the person who can afford legal fees longest usually wins (regardless of who's actually right). The conversation gets into the nitty-gritty: when to involve your attorney, how to respond to demand letters without making things worse, and why having an employee handbook might save your ass even if you never look at it. They also discuss the psychology of disputes and how staying calm and professional can defuse situations that could otherwise cost you thousands. Plus, they touch on going on offense: when it's worth suing someone (spoiler: almost never) and how AI is starting to level the playing field in legal disputes. Key Topics:(00:47) Sagan Command Center: Building Simple Tools That Actually Work(10:18) Peter’s Game-Changing Browser Extension for Organizing Links(18:23) Dealing with Legal Disputes as a Business Owner(31:51) How to Recognize Serious Legal Threats vs. Empty Bluster(46:51) Demystifying the Economics of Litigation(57:14) Going on Offense: When to Sue and When to Walk Away Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Peter unpacks what he learned from taking a full month off (his fourth annual sabbatical) including what worked, what didn’t, and how stepping back clarified his relationship with work, team leadership, and systems. Spoiler: nothing broke. The business ran just fine. And that’s the point. Jon and Peter dive into how structured time off isn’t just a luxury - it’s a leadership test. It exposes whether your team and systems are truly ready to stand without you. But it also creates clarity: Over time, through his yearly retreats, Peter rediscovered the joy of meaningful work. The second half of the conversation takes a sharp turn into business frameworks with a breakdown of the Danaher Problem Solving Process, a step-by-step method so effective it’s taught to every new employee at billion-dollar manufacturer Danaher. Jon lays out the form they now use at Sagan to rigorously define, diagnose, and permanently fix recurring business issues. You’ll also learn how to apply a structured framework to define problems clearly, trace them to their root causes, and implement fixes that actually stick. More importantly, Jon and Peter show how to embed those solutions - through SOP updates, team communication, and accountability - so your team isn’t just reacting to surface-level symptoms or solving the same issues over and over again. Key Topics:(02:05) What Taking 30 Days Off Can Reveal About Your Business(16:28) Danaher’s Problem Solving Process: A Breakdown(23:00) The One-Page Problem-Solving Form Every Team Should Use(31:04) Other Ways the Danaher Process Unearths Issues in Your Company(34:08) Using AI to Coach Yourself Through GTD and EOS Workflows(44:55) Using Claude to Build Dynamic Business Models Without Spreadsheets Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Hiring a VA is easy. Turning them into a leader? That’s where most founders stall out. Jon and Binsi unpack how to stop recycling task-doers and start developing talent, explaining why reframing roles is the first step toward long-term leverage. Jon breaks down the difference between delegation and development, while Binsi - Sagan’s newly minted managing director - shares firsthand what it looks like to grow from an assistant role into real leadership. Together, they walk through the cultural, structural, and emotional shifts that separate low-autonomy task-doers from high-impact operators. They explore why title inflation doesn’t equal real promotion, how neglected onboarding is sabotaging retention, and why ambition is the heartbeat of every high-performer - no matter where they’re from. They also preview Sagan’s new initiative: Global Talent 101, a five-day onboarding bootcamp designed to shortcut the ramp-up time for overseas hires. The goal? Better communication, clearer expectations, and real context for working in American business environments. This episode isn’t just about semantics - it’s about systems. Because the distance between VA and executive isn't measured in miles or time zones. It’s measured in trust, training, and the belief that leverage is a two-way street. TIMESTAMPS(01:04) VA vs. Global Talent: What’s the Real Difference?(03:55) Why Title Matters—and When it Doesn’t(06:58) Signs You’re Still Hiring Like a “Level 1” Leader(10:18) The Quiet Ambition of High Performers(18:19) Designing a Better Onboarding with Global Talent 101(24:00) Inbox Zero, Slack Habits, and Building AI Fluency(27:00) The Leadership Ladder: From Order-Taker to Operator(29:03) Common Onboarding Mistakes When Hiring for Potential Leaders Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

Jon and Peter explore a deceptively simple but powerful concept: architecting how work gets done. Inspired by Profit Coach and shaped through years of trial and error, it’s more than systems and tools - it’s about intentionally designing workflows that enable scale, accountability, and freedom. They start by defining what “done” looks like, then dive into tools like swimlane diagrams, task maps, and online forms - essential for hiring, training, delegation, and AI. Leverage doesn’t begin with tech - it starts with basics, like removing your phone number from the website so work flows through systems, not you. Peter adds “policy courage”: the discipline to enforce structure, like requiring form submissions over ad-hoc emails. It’s inconvenient short-term, but essential for long-term capacity. They share examples - from refund forms to recruiting flows - showing how small workflow improvements compound into major gains. This isn’t micromanagement - it’s about designing with intention, delegating clearly, and leading boldly. TIMESTAMPS(01:00) What “Architecting the Work” Really Means(03:05) Defining Done: Why Ambiguity Breaks Everything(13:27) Forms: The Most Underrated Business Tool(27:12) Swimlanes, Task Maps, and Trigger Discipline(37:57) The E-Myth, WhisperFlow, and Tools of Scale Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

While a ton of business owners today are chasing the next AI hack or automation craze, Jon and Peter return to a foundational truth: leverage isn’t a tactic - it’s a philosophy. Today they’re talking about “Matt’s Hierarchy of Leverage,” a napkin-sketch turned mental model that redefines how small business owners should think about time, talent, and tools. Rather than obsessing over AI for AI’s sake, they explore leverage as a quiet system of compounding returns: replacing complexity with clarity, chaos with delegation, and brute effort with thoughtful structure. At its core, the hierarchy isn’t about removing yourself from the business - it’s about repositioning your energy where it matters most. From global talent to smart systems, from automation to delegation, each rung down the pyramid creates space to climb higher in impact. AI isn't magic; it's just another train in a well-built transportation system, but that system still needs the roads, trucks, and drivers to lay the path. They challenge operators: What will you do with the margin you earn? More cash? Better product? A month off? There’s no right answer - only trade-offs. Jon and Peter aren’t interested in glossy tech dreams or lazy business hacks. They’re here for the long game - where leverage is earned, not bought. Where progress isn’t driven by viral trends, but by disciplined execution. And where the true win isn’t freedom from work, but freedom to choose the right work. In a noisy age of shiny tools, this is a blueprint for quiet scale. Key Topics:(02:00) Introducing Matt’s Hierarchy of Leverage(10:30) Systemization, SOPs, and Hiring B-Players(22:00) Saying No: The Key to Moving Work Down the Pyramid(37:12) AI Starts Taking Jobs (For Real This Time)(43:00) What Will You Do With the Increased Margin? Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

In a time where brands everywhere churn out content for clout, Jon and Peter make the case that there is power in focusing on niche over noise. They talk about the difference between running a media business—one dependent on clicks, views, and CPMs—and running a business powered by media. The latter isn’t chasing virality. It’s using content to build trust at scale, with the right audience. A single engaged viewer—one potential customer who finds real value—can be more powerful than 50 million passive scrolls. This mindset reframes media from a vanity metric machine into a quiet engine of asymmetric returns. A podcast that lands one high-value client? Worth more than thousands of empty impressions. A newsletter that converts 1.2% of readers into loyal customers? Incredibly high leverage, even if the list is modest in size. Still, they wrestle with the usual considerations all operators think about: Should we do short-form? Do we really have to play the algorithm game? Peter and Jon push back against performative content, advocating instead for authenticity, audience clarity, and compounding trust. Show up. Document. Speak with depth. Build a back catalog for the long game. If you're a business owner in 2025 wondering where to start, forget growth hacks. Instead, record a podcast. Write a blog post. Hit “publish” once a week. In a year, you'll be stunned by the optionality and leverage you’ve created—not from volume, but from intentional signal. In the end, lazy leverage is just focused effort, multiplied by time. Key Topics:(02:43) Media-Fueled Businesses vs Media Businesses(10:15) How SMBs Should Create Content for Top-Funnel vs Mid-Funnel(17:16) The Right Way to Do Short-Form Content(28:14) Running Ads Without Becoming a Sellout(35:12) Succeeding as a Niche B2B Brand(39:22) Getting Clear on Your Audience(43:30) Changing Up Your Environment Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com

In an age obsessed with scale, speed, and leverage, it’s easy to forget that the best long-term advantage might come from doing the exact opposite. Call it the "Low Leverage Advantage." When you're early in your career—or launching something new—there’s a strong case for diving into the work yourself. Not delegating. Not automating. Just doing. Need to onboard a new sales team? Write the first 20 cold DMs yourself. Building a new ops process? Sit next to the team member buried in outdated workflows and fix it together. Why? Because high leverage comes from judgment. And judgment comes from getting close to the metal. It’s why executives driving Ubers for a week makes more sense than another offsite. Or why a CEO helping troubleshoot a Dropbox error can spark more productivity than another strategy session. But the magic doesn’t stop at work. Trying to optimize your personal life with AI prompts and workflows? Terrible idea. Your kids don’t need you to delegate bedtime—they need you to show up. Presence is low leverage, but it’s high value. The trick? Learn to oscillate. Plant with intimacy, harvest with leverage. Create media, but still get your hands dirty. Record podcasts, but stay close to the customer. Don’t chase scale so hard that you forget where insights come from. Low leverage isn’t a step backward—it’s an intentional investment in depth. And if you document along the way, even the mundane becomes future leverage. Your dusty SOP doc? Might be the foundation of your next seven-figure business. Leverage and scale will come, but only if you show up, do the work, and remain consistent. Key Topics:(03:08) Why (and When to) Go Low Leverage?(10:19) How Low Leverage Activities Build Loyalty with Team Members(17:08) Laying the Groundwork Early on in Your Business(23:05) Learning New Skills with Low Leverage Work(31:00) Creating a Body of Work That Makes the Best Use of Your Time(40:25) Nurturing Growth by Encouraging Healthy Debates(48:22) Why Respectful Disagreement Between Team Members is Good for Business(53:27) Jon and Peter’s Latest AI Breakthroughs Stay connected for more insights and strategies by following:Jon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@MatznerJon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠lazyleverage.beehiiv.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Peter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@pslohmann⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on X and at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠peterlohmann.com