In the intro, Jacob welcomes co-host Natalie (episodes 15 and 132) back to the podcast as they catch up on her life, career as a paramedic, and her perspective on seeing substance use issues in the field. Guest Ali shares her journey from early struggles with alcohol and opiates to years of dependence on kratom and the challenges of withdrawal. She opens up about the turning points that led her to seek help, including loss, motherhood, and finding faith. Finally, she reflects on her 18 months of sobriety, the power of community, and the hope that comes with rebuilding a life free from kratom.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7     QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com       CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety       https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety       https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety      https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety       https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety   https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social   https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety         CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com       https://kratomsobriety.com        PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424      https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5        https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00   

In the open, Charlie and Nolan talk about the YouTuber interview from a couple weeks ago. In the interview, Katja shares with Lily her story of discovering the kava and kratom bar scene while living in Brooklyn and later witnessing her partner’s descent into kratom addiction. She offers a candid look at how extract products, financial strain, and secrecy turned their lives upside down and how she found stability through Al-Anon and community support. Her reflections give loved ones and those quitting kratom a grounded view of addiction, recovery, and hope.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7     QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com       CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety       https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety       https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety      https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety       https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety   https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social   https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety         CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com       https://kratomsobriety.com        PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424      https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5        https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00     

This week features an interview Katie Herzog, author of the book "Drink Your Way Sober." Please be aware, you cannot use the Sinclair Method with kratom as it will cause precipitated withdrawals. The discussion explores medicated assisted treatment, harm reduction. the disease model for addiction, and a range of other topics. Drink Your Way Sober https://www.drinkyourwaysober.com/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7     QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com       CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety       https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety       https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety      https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety       https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety   https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social   https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety         CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com       https://kratomsobriety.com        PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424      https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5        https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00     

Nolan interviews Metta Beshay, who posted a video recently named "The Insane World of Kratom & 7-OH" on YouTube.  HEADS UP: This guest talks about recent kratom use and is not actively committed to kratom abstinence but shares a range of insights and information about kratom that many listeners may find interesting and/or helpful. Metta's YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/Pqx_bMGeGwc?si=6X8x6P-9-D3MyApvm   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7    QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com      CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety        CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com       PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

In the open, Nolan and Lily give tips on tapering. Nolan's quitting kratom book: https://a.co/d/b1cgJUJ   In the interview, David Hudnall, a journalist from the Kansas City Star, discusses his investigative reporting on 7-OH (7-hydroxymitragynine). The discussion covers the rapid rise of 7-OH in the U.S. market, particularly in Kansas City, and how is overtaking traditional kratom products in smoke shops and gas stations. The conversation highlights personal stories of addiction, the aggressive marketing tactics used by companies (such as free samples and loyalty programs), and the blurred lines between kratom and 7-OH in the marketplace.   7-OH and American Shaman - Part One‘It’s addictive, and it’s everywhere’: KC company’s pills hook users across US”By David HudnallSeptember 18, 2025 https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311991573.html     7-OH and American Shaman - Part TwoFrom loans to hemp to smoke-shop opioids, KC businessman pushes legal limitsBy David HudnallUpdated September 17, 2025 https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311969568.html     7-OH and American Shaman - Part Three‘Sinister industry’: Kansas City company behind 7-OH & a growing opioid epidemicBy David HudnallUpdated September 18, 2025https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article311767920.html     Inside The Star How we reported on American Shaman, Vince Sanders & the debate around 7-OH By David Hudnall Updated September 17, 2025 11:08 AMhttps://www.kansascity.com/news/local/inside-the-star/article312119075.html    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7    QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com      CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety        CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com       PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Jacob and Lily talk getting into hobbies during recovery. In the interview, Justine shares her quitting kratom journey. She turned to kratom to manage pain and escalated into a serious health crisis that resulted in a lengthy hospitalization. Justine warns about the dangers of unregulated substances and encourages others to seek help and not try to quit alone.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Lily and Jacob talk about hobbies in recovery. In this week's interview with Tori, an addiction professional in recovery, the growing presence of kratom in treatment settings is explored. She shares insights on client demographics, withdrawal symptoms, misconceptions about safety, and the importance of harm reduction and education, while also reflecting on her personal recovery journey and commitment to helping others.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Charlie and Jacob speculate about what is in the kava-kratom tonics to make them more addictive for so many people. Lauren shares her journey with Jacob of nearly five years of daily kratom use that escalated from capsules to extracts, ending in secrecy, shame, and worsening depression. With the support of her therapist and doctor, she tapered off and quit on April 10, 2025, and now celebrates five months free, emphasizing mindset, community, and confidence in sober living.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00  

Lily's interview with Mackenzie’s followers her journey with kratom, beginning with an initial exposure through wellness marketing and the rapid progression from casual use to daily dependence. After repeated withdrawal attempts, the toll on her mental and physical health was immense, and ultimately finding recovery through a five-week holistic treatment program in Sedona. The discussion also explores her shift in perspective on wellness, authenticity, creativity, and ongoing recovery practices, offering insight and encouragement to others facing similar struggles. Guest's Substack:   Words from Wisdom | Kenzie Wisdom | Substack https://mckenziewisdom.substack.com/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00      

Guest host Jazz (episode #41) talks with returning expert Dr. Casey Grover, an addiction medicine physician with both clinical expertise and lived experience of PTSD. Together, they explore the frequent intersection of trauma and addiction, breaking down how adverse childhood experiences, big “T” and little “t” traumas, and even intergenerational stress shape vulnerability to substance use. Dr. Grover discusses diagnostic criteria for PTSD, explains treatment approaches ranging from medications like prazosin and SSRIs to EMDR therapy and stellate ganglion blocks, and weighs in on newer options such as psychedelic-assisted therapy. The conversation also highlights the stigma around mental health in the medical community, the importance of trauma-informed care, and the healing potential of honesty and vulnerability.  Resource links from episode: Grover, Casey MD. Goodbye Emergency Medicine—I Wish I Could Say Thanks for the Memories. Emergency Medicine News 47(2):p 22, March 2025. DOI: 10.1097/01.EEM.0001108624.36353.82 https://journals.lww.com/em-news/fulltext/2025/03000/goodbye_emergency_medicine_i_wish_i_could_say.14.aspx DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for PTSD: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/ Addiction Medicine Made Easy (Dr. Grover’s podcast)https://addictionmedicinemadeeasy.com MDCalc – Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Calculatorhttps://www.mdcalc.com Last Day Podcast – Episode with Dr. Gabor Matéhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/addiction-17-trauma-with-dr-gabor-mat%C3%A9/id1468896686?i=1000488387968  Book: What Happened to You? (Oprah & Bruce Perry)https://www.oprahdaily.com/what-happened-to-you Book: The Body Keeps the Score (Bessel van der Kolk)https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/resources/the-body-keeps-the-score GeneSight – Pharmacogenomic Testinghttps://genesight.com Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR Therapy)https://www.emdria.org/about-emdr-therapy Stellate Ganglion Block (SGB) for PTSD – Informationhttps://www.stellateinstitute.com/sgb-for-ptsd   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00      

Lily & Charlie discuss - Is the last thing you quit the hardest? John, an engineer and outdoor enthusiast, recounts his decade-long struggle with kratom addiction that began as an alternative to pain pills, leading to escalating use (from 120 grams per day in the early 2010s to 7oh isolates in 2025), financial ruin, and the loss of a significant relationship. After multiple failed attempts to quit (including a relapse after 2 years kratom free), he ultimately finds success through a combination of medication, family support and cold plunges, and now shares his story to help others facing similar challenges.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00      

In the open, Charlie and Nolan discuss the fed's proposed 7OH ban. Jacob talks to interview guest Alyse about her journey from discovering kratom during bodybuilding training to struggling with addiction, multiple relapses, and ultimately seeking recovery through detox, medically assisted treatment, and support systems. While at time of this broadcast, she is kratom free for a couple months now, she is on a wait list to go to 30-day residential rehab to invest in long term abstinence from the green kava-kratom drinks, an addiction that caused her to lose a job and major strains on important relationships. To get in touch with this week's guest: https://www.tiktok.com/@alyse.heun   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7  QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com    CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety      https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety      https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety     https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety      https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety  https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social  https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety      CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com      https://kratomsobriety.com     PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424     https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5      https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

Jacob and Nolan open on how addiction is a lifetime journey thought not a permanent ongoing struggle. In the interview, Jonny became addicted to 7-OH in both liquid and tablet versions, which led to rapid tolerance and severe dependence. He ultimately quit after a car accident by entering a treatment facility, where he used Suboxone to help with withdrawal and later the Sublocade injection as part of his treatment plan, combined with structured recovery housing, community support, and daily routines like yoga and AA meetings. WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7 QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com   CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com    PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00   

Lily and Jacob explore the potential of cannabis becoming a substitute or cross addiction to kratom. Ryan talks to Lily about his struggles this past year relapsing on kava-kratom tonics, and escalating to other substances such as alcohol and opiates.    Heads up, this episode's interview includes talk of suicide. Remember to dial 988 to talk get help, or text HOME to 741-741 to reach the Crisis Text Line or www.Crisistextline.org   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7 QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com   CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com    PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00   

Charlie and Jacob catch up and discuss how easy access to kratom can influence use.  Violet discusses with Lilly her journey through Kratom addiction and withdrawal, highlighting its impact on her active lifestyle as an onsite seamstress and stylist for weddings, as well as her experiences with Ecstatic Dance and sobriety. She shares insights on the effects of Kratom on her daily routines, the vital role of support systems in recovery, and her personal history with addiction, including the influence of her community and her various coping mechanisms during recovery.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7 QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com   CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com    PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00 

Lily and Nolan open to discuss methods to improve well-being after quitting, emphasizing the importance of slowing down and staying present, including a focus on withdrawals and tapping into ideas found in yoga. In the interview, Jacob sits down with Seth, who shares his journey of overcoming kratom addiction. Seth talks about emotional challenges and his experiences with treatment centers, as well as his ultimate decision to use buprenorphine and its impact on his recovery. They also touch upon the importance of a support system, Seth's hobbies, and his advice for others battling addiction.    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7 QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com   CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com    PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00 

Jacob opens. Lily interviews James K.   WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7   QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com     CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com       PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00      

Lily and Nolan talk about sleep issues in the weeks after you quit kratom. NOTE: Jen and Matt are living in FEMA temporary housing post a Florida disaster and have a pop-up emergency internet connection, which caused audio issues in the interview recording. We did the best we could to improve the quality but there are several spots were the guests fade out a little, so please accept our apologies. This week, a couple discuss their quitting journey with Jacob. Born in the 1960s, Matt and Jen both turned to kratom to get off of stronger prescription and street drugs. About 13 years ago, Matt ALMOST (this was one of the audio snafus) lost his leg during a surgery and was prescribed fentanyl patches for pain. Later using kratom as a ramp off and a substitute to such pharmaceuticals, Matt was up to 60g of powder a day and then switched to extracts as he could not stomach kratom powder anymore. After many relapses trying to quit kratom and other drugs, they both decided to try Medicated Assisted Treatment (MAT) in January 2023. Matt plans to taper off buprenorphine with the injectable option known as Sublocade this year. Despite many tough times, including the losses of a pet, car and home, they successfully interrupted their kratom addiction, and have not become dependent again over the last couple years. Matt warns against the use of 7ohm based on a week of him turning to this kratom alkaloid isolate product when he was out-of-town without buprenorphine.    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7   QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com     CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com       PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

Lily and Jacob open discussing the dubiousness of kratom product marketing.  In the interview, Dylan has been off kratom since August 2024, after almost an average 20g per day habit over almost a decade. Despite lingering PAWS, Dylan's life has become much richer since quitting.     WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7   QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com     CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com       PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00    

Nolan interviews expert guest Eli Cohen, a personal injury attorney at the Wetherington Law Firm in Atlanta, Georgia. Eli specializes in product liability and kratom-related wrongful death cases. A former SWAT officer and current Army Reserve intelligence officer, he brings over 17 years of combined legal and law enforcement experience to his advocacy for consumer safety. In this episode, Eli discusses the lack of federal regulation around kratom, the misleading use of “not for human consumption” labeling, and the legal strategies used to hold manufacturers accountable for harm.  He offers his cell number at 470-880-8222.  https://wfirm.com/attorney/eli-cohen/    WANT TO TELL YOUR STORY ON THE PODCAST? https://forms.gle/VWrjhLSTPHqJyVhw7   QUITTING KRATOM SUPPORT MEETINGS https://www.kratommeetings.com     CONNECT WITH US https://www.instagram.com/kratomsobriety     https://twitter.com/kratomsobriety     https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0ms0briety    https://www.youtube.com/@KratomSobriety     https://www.facebook.com/kratomsobriety https://bsky.app/profile/kratomsobriety.bsky.social https://www.threads.net/@kratomsobriety     CONTACT THE SHOW Voice: 313-437-7720 Email: kratomsobriety@gmail.com     https://kratomsobriety.com       PLEASE LEAVE A REVIEW https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kratom-addiction/id1685569424    https://www.audible.com/podcast/Kratom-Addiction/B0C3YHDLV5     https://open.spotify.com/show/4GkQiYu6S8IBn8qswyVm00