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In the Church Library
Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis
22 episodes
1 month ago
Send us a text Join Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life. Things mentioned in the episode: -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2 -Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel withi...
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Send us a text Join Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life. Things mentioned in the episode: -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2 -Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel withi...
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Christianity
Arts,
Kids & Family,
Religion & Spirituality,
Books,
Parenting
Episodes (20/22)
In the Church Library
A Conversation with Andrew Remington Rillera about Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA)
Send us a text Join Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life. Things mentioned in the episode: -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2 -Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel withi...
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1 month ago
1 hour 30 minutes

In the Church Library
Final Episode: Q&A and Book Launch Updates
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In this final episode for S1, they answer: 12:52 Q: Could you describe the survey process you used? 22:44 Q: Where on the theological/denominational spectrum do most of these resources fall? What about your book? What about your biases? 36:25 Q: Can you speak to the parallels between authoritarian parenting and penal substitutionary atonement (PSA)? 38:25 Q:How a...
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2 months ago
1 hour 9 minutes

In the Church Library
Nancy & Colin Campbell and their "Above Rubies" ministry
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss Nancy and Colin Campbell's Above Rubies ministries, as well as some of their resources—The Power of Motherhood and Be Fruitful and Multiply—and their connection to CCM's Newsboys. Mentioned in the episode: Orphan Fever: The Evangelical Movement's Adoption Obsession, by: Kathryn Joyce You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter...
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2 months ago
1 hour 3 minutes

In the Church Library
A Conversation with Tia Levings, author of the best-selling memoir A Well-Trained Wife
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Tia Levings, author of the best-selling memoir A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy. Connect with Tia online: Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Substack You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, Bl...
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3 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes

In the Church Library
To Train Up A Child, by: Michael & Debi Pearl
Send us a text Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of child mistreatment, abuse, and death. Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book To Train Up A Child, by: Michael and Debi Pearl. You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook And Pre-ord...
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3 months ago
1 hour 14 minutes

In the Church Library
A Conversation with Sunita Theiss about Neurodiversity in Faith Communities and Family Systems
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Sunita Theiss to discuss neurodiversity in faith communities and families Connect with Sunita online: Instagram, LinkedIn, Substack Mentioned in the conversation: --Use code LIBRARY for a discount for her upcoming workshop and Q&A: Parenting PDA Children with Grace & Hope: A Christian Perspective on Understanding, Supporting, and Raising PDA Children (8/14/25 at 9AMPT...
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3 months ago
1 hour

In the Church Library
Parenting, by: Paul David Tripp
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book Parenting: 14 Gospel Principles That Can Radically Change Your Family, by: Paul David Tripp. You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook And Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Pr...
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3 months ago
1 hour 15 minutes

In the Church Library
A Conversation with Pieter Valk about James Dobson's "Bringing Up Boys"
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Pieter Valk of Equip Ministries to discuss James Dobson's Bringing Up Boys, masculinity, and the implications of popular Christian parenting teaching for LGBT+ people. Connect with Pieter online: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter Mentioned in our conversation: Equip's Parent Course You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, T...
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4 months ago
1 hour 3 minutes

In the Church Library
Gary & Anne Marie Ezzo and Growing Kids God's Way, Part 2
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 2, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their curricula Growing Kids God's Way, and the controversy surrounding their methods. For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/ "The Parent Trap," by: Jensen Davis takes an in-depth look at the Ezzos' approach You can connect with Kelsey an...
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4 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes

In the Church Library
A Conversation with Catherine McNiel & Jason Hague, authors of Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, and Dead Ends
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Catherine McNiel and Jason Hague, authors of the book Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, and Dead Ends. Connect with Catherine online: Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Twitter/X Connect with Jason online: Facebook You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, You...
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4 months ago
53 minutes

In the Church Library
Q&A: Ask Us Anything! Part 2
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 2, they answer: 1:27 Q: How do you internally & externally handle criticism of your toddlers displaying developmentally appropriate but situationally inappropriate behaviors that children trained under authoritarianism typically don't do? 11:09 Q: What recommendations do you have for church children's ministry training? We mention: Center for Faith an...
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4 months ago
1 hour 8 minutes

In the Church Library
A Conversation with Dr. Camden Morgante about Purity Culture
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Camden Morgante, author of the book Recovering from Purity Culture: Dismantle the Myths, Reject Shame-Based Sexuality, and Move Forward in Your Faith. Connect with Dr. Camden online: Instagram, Threads, Facebook, and her Substack Walking the Middle Path. You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky...
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5 months ago
59 minutes

In the Church Library
Q&A: Ask Us Anything! Part 1
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 1, they answer: 2:13 Q: What resources do you recommend? 17:06 Q: How would you measure a "healthy" church, especially in re: parenting teaching coming from the pulpit? 34:32 Q: Given 1 Timothy 3:4, is it honorable for all parents to "require obedience"? Note: For further discussion of these Bible passages, see Marissa's series on this: Part 1...
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5 months ago
1 hour 9 minutes

In the Church Library
Babywise, Gary & Anne Marie Ezzo, and the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire, Part 1
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 1, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their book On Becoming Babywise: Giving Your Infant the Gift of Nighttime Sleep, and the controversy surrounding their methods. For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/ "The Parent Trap," by: Jensen Davis takes an in-depth look at the Ezzos...
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5 months ago
1 hour 21 minutes

In the Church Library
Gentle Parenting, Attachment Parenting & L.R. Knost's book Jesus The Gentle Parent
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss gentle parenting, attachment parenting, and Jesus, the Gentle Parent: Gentle Christian Parenting, by: LR Knost. You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook And Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenti...
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5 months ago
1 hour 6 minutes

In the Church Library
The Christian Family, by: Larry Christenson
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss a popular, best-selling Christian parenting book from the 1970s: The Christian Family, by: Larry Christenson. In this episode they discuss the socio-political climate of the 1970s, the way mainline denominations folded into broader evangelicalism, viewpoints on household authority structures, and corporal punishment as a perceived essential ingredient to maintaining order. You can connect with ...
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5 months ago
1 hour 23 minutes

In the Church Library
A Conversation With Emily Hunter McGowin, author of Households of Faith: Practicing Family in the Kingdom of God
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Emily Hunter McGowin, author of the book Households of Faith: Practicing Family in the Kingdom of God. You can find more about Emily and her books here: https://www.emilymcgowin.com/ You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitt...
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6 months ago
42 minutes

In the Church Library
Shepherding A Child's Heart, by: Tedd Tripp
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the popular Christian parenting book: Shepherding a Child's Heart, by: Tedd Tripp. You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook And Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betraye...
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6 months ago
1 hour 30 minutes

In the Church Library
What Kinds of Books Are On Our Bookshelves?
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a sampling of books that represent different elements of popular Christian teaching. Episode One closed with the note that the next episode would cover Tedd Tripp's book Shepherding A Child's Heart, but that will be the topic for Episode Three. You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kels...
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6 months ago
53 minutes

In the Church Library
Browsing Our Bookshelves
Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation about some of the resources that they want to spotlight from their research. Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook And Pre-order The Myth of Good Ch...
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7 months ago
45 minutes

In the Church Library
Send us a text Join Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life. Things mentioned in the episode: -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2 -Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel withi...