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Humans in the Loop
Seb Agertoft
4 episodes
1 week ago
A podcast for thoughtful technologists. Seb Agertoft - Coach to tech company founders and leadership teams - interviews founders, technologists, artists, investors, thought leaders and policymakers wrestling with the tough questions at the forefront of emergent tech like AI, quantum computing, renewable energy, web3, blockchain, robotics and autonomous vehicles. Not just can we build it, but how to build tech with human interests at heart.
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A podcast for thoughtful technologists. Seb Agertoft - Coach to tech company founders and leadership teams - interviews founders, technologists, artists, investors, thought leaders and policymakers wrestling with the tough questions at the forefront of emergent tech like AI, quantum computing, renewable energy, web3, blockchain, robotics and autonomous vehicles. Not just can we build it, but how to build tech with human interests at heart.
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Humans in the Loop
Rewiring Democracy with Godfather of Cybersecurity and public interest technologist, Bruce Schneier

This episode features an OG in the world of internet security, the Godfather of Cybersecurity, Bruce Schneier.Bruce describes himself as a public interest technologist, and has done many things under that banner - run companies, lectured at Harvard, testified before Congress, authored over a dozen books, and written a blog for over 20 years that has more than 250k regular readers - to name just a few.Key topics:- The need for better technical minds in policy making- The implications of AI for democracy (not as bleak as you might expect - Bruce’s new book Rewiring Democracy goes deep on the emerging implications and he remains largely optimistic)- Why the internet was not designed with security in mind- Why prompt injection makes AI applications inherently insecure for high stakes tasks- Threat modelling for personal security in an age of geopoliticsChapters00:00 What Bruce actually does03:58 The Journey to Becoming a Public Interest Technologist 06:54 Understanding Cybersecurity and the Internet Today 09:36 Advice for Online Safety and Security 12:39 The Role of Governments in Data Privacy 15:41 Geopolitical Implications of Cybersecurity 18:35 Cyber-Physical Systems and Their Risks 21:49 The Impact of AI on Cybersecurity 24:27 Rewiring Democracy in the Age of Technology 30:08 The Evolving Landscape of Cybersecurity and AI 32:21 Understanding Prompt Injection Vulnerabilities 36:30 The Internet's Security Flaws and Historical Context 39:25 Capitalism's Role in Cybersecurity Failures 46:11 Skepticism Towards Web3 and Blockchain 48:37 Rewiring Democracy for the Information Age 55:27 Trust, Power, and the Future of AI in GovernanceYou can find bruce at www.schneier.com

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1 week ago
57 minutes 45 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Tara Fung, Founder CO:CREATE - Life on the Frontier. Booms, busts & pivots

This episode features Tara Fung, co-founder of CO:CREATE - a digital platform for tattooing.

Tara and her co-founder raised $25m in seed funding from A16z at the height of the NFT hype with a technical vision for how to scale that ecosystem, but ultimately ran into hard times as the market for NFTs collapsed.

What followed was a journey into the unknown, seeking ways to successfully pivot the company into something they could build and scale.

Tattoos aren’t necessarily the first thing that spring to mind when you think of vc-backed businesses, but Tara’s own experience of getting tattooed served as a point of inspiration for CO:CREATE, coupled with a willingness to explore beyond the typical playbooks.


Key topics:

  • Facing uncertainty as a Founder
  • Supportive investors
  • Pivoting your company
  • Being sober about the nature of the startup game
  • Trust online


Chapters

00:00 The Evolution of CO:CREATE

12:57 Navigating the Fundraising Landscape

19:04 Navigating Investor Relationships and Pivots

23:48 Motivation and Purpose in Entrepreneurship

30:00 Finding Clarity in Direction and Focus

32:16 Breaking the Playbook: A New Approach to Entrepreneurship

34:23 The Future of Trust in a Distrustful World

38:17 Navigating Attention and Discovery in the Digital Age

42:12 Ethics and Technology: Balancing Business with Societal Impact

43:00 Exploring Trust, Ethics, and Technology

45:29 Empowering Artists in the Tattoo Industry

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4 weeks ago
46 minutes 38 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Granola AI Co-founder Sam Stephenson on designing for AI and Human Agency

This episode features Sam Stephenson, co-founder of ⁠Granola⁠ - one of the standout UK success stories in AI product building.

Sam and I discussed his background as a designer, his journey to becoming a founder, the trajectory of the company so far, and shares his thoughts on designing for human agency and the future of work.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Granola and Its Purpose

02:33 Sam's Background and Design Journey

05:19 Influences from Communal Living

09:36 The Origin of Granola and Co-founder Dynamics

12:01 The Messy Process of Finding the Right Project

16:12 Simplicity in Product Design

19:11 Growth Trajectory and User Experience

21:45 Balancing Short-term and Long-term Goals

24:12 Navigating AI Development Challenges

26:50 Balancing Innovation and Practicality in AI

29:16 The Pressure of Rapid Growth in AI Startups

32:43 The Future of Work with AI Assistance

36:51 Reducing Coordination Complexity in Organizations

38:28 The Human Element in AI Interactions

41:01 Agency and Control in the Age of AI

43:31 Envisioning a High-Leverage Future with AI

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1 month ago
44 minutes 51 seconds

Humans in the Loop
Artist founders and figuring out what AI is really for

In this conversation, I speak to William Morgan and Sylvan Rackham, the Co-Founders of Restless Egg, an incubator for Artist Founders, about the intersection of art, technology, and innovation.

They discuss the concept of the 'artist founder', the challenges faced by creative technologists, and the need for a supportive infrastructure to foster their ideas. The conversation explores the role of institutions, funding sources, and the future of technology, particularly in relation to AI. They emphasize the importance of agency in technology and the potential for artist founders to create meaningful experiences that go beyond mere productivity enhancements.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Restless Egg

01:21 Artist founders

04:18 Discovering the Community of Creators

10:10 Key Players in the Artist Founder Ecosystem

14:37 The Role of Philosophy and Technology

20:31 Bridging Art and Technology

25:32 Defining the Artist Founder

28:24 The Future of AI and Experience

29:20 The Role of Artist Founders in E-commerce

32:41 Funding the Creative Frontier

36:58 The Shift in Investment Perspectives

41:03 The Future of Technology and Agency

44:29 AI: Tool or Evolutionary Break?

51:45 The Playful Nature of Innovation

58:59 Empowering Agency Through Technology


Where you can hear more from William and Sylvan

www.restlessegg.com

William's substack


Some of the organisations mentioned:

  • Antikythera
  • Restless Egg
  • Strelka
  • Medialab


Some of the people mentioned:

  • Benjamin Bratton
  • Refik Anadol
  • Daisy Ginsberg
  • Ian Cheng


Other resources referenced:

  • Sam Altman blog post about ideas people
  • My post about Creative Outsiders
  • A piece written by friend and collaborator, Danya Shults
  • An artificial history of natural intelligence
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3 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes 9 seconds

Humans in the Loop
A podcast for thoughtful technologists. Seb Agertoft - Coach to tech company founders and leadership teams - interviews founders, technologists, artists, investors, thought leaders and policymakers wrestling with the tough questions at the forefront of emergent tech like AI, quantum computing, renewable energy, web3, blockchain, robotics and autonomous vehicles. Not just can we build it, but how to build tech with human interests at heart.