Today’s guest on Getting to 3rd Space is Christie Vilsack. She describes herself as a "Teacher, writer, wife, mom and gramma. Proud Iowa first lady, congressional candidate, and USAID education advisor. A world traveler but an Iowan by birth and choice. I write about people living close to the land, who believe in community and the public good. I tend to favor underdogs.” She is also the sponsor of the U.S.S. Iowa, a nuclear submarine commissioned earlier this year.
This podcast is Part 1 of 2. In this episode Christie talks about her Substack column “Common Ground,” speaking truth to power and authority, the pride she has in her Iowa roots, and, of course, what it means to sponsor a Navy submarine. Part 2 will air on Tuesday, November 11, 2025.
A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of Kindness
Inspired by our recent conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions:
What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you?
What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?
You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5
Learn more:
Common Ground - https://christievilsack.substack.com/USS Iowa (nuclear submarine) - https://ssn797.com/about-us
American is Sliding Toward Illiteracy, by Idrees Kalhoon in The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/10/education-decline-low-expectations/684526/?gift=OkCOMnff83tE105ER-Egr9RBJ6X_L1UNSsOAWWYxod8&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
The Anxious Generation, by Jonathan Haidt - https://a.co/d/8tWME8n
Disagree Better, An Initiative by the National Governor’s Conference - https://www.nga.org/disagree-better/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites.
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Help us grow our audience by sharing this post. It is public and can be shared without obligation or cost. Thanks!Recorded October 16, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland, Kansas, and Iowa, USA; Original Publishing Date, October 28, 2025.
Lamar and Tom talk with Senator Ethan Corson about his decision to run for Governor the State of Kansas. Ethan emphasizes the importance of bipartisan leadership and staying focused on the everyday issues that matter to families. He shares insights on maintaining civility in political campaigns, the significance of community colleges, and his vision for making Kansas an affordable state. Throughout the discussion, Ethan Corson highlights the value of kindness and mentorship in politics as he reflects on his own path into politics. His own experience highlights the importance of fostering positive engagement with the next generation.
Learn more:
Ethan’s Kitchen Table Campaign Ad: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QBerwoq1ovk
To learn more about how Republican colleagues view Ethan Corson, see: https://pro.stateaffairs.com/ks/elections/ethan-corson-kansas-governor Or download and read here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AfU1f3Q7IKAttNR-Ua4z_e7MKm7B7hTw/view?usp=sharing
Meet Ethan Corson (Wikipedia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Corson
Ethan Corson Campaign Website https://www.ethanforkansas.com/about
Senator Ethan Corson at the Kansas Statehouse https://www.kslegislature.gov/li/b2025_26/members/sen_corson_ethan_1/
A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of Kindness
Inspired by our recent conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions:
What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you?
What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?
You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded September 16, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, October 14, 2025.
About this Episode
What happens when two Hawkeyes get together in person? Well, there are some are stupid jokes as well as good conversation. Join Lamar & Tom for a Getting to 3rd Space episode from Tom's home studio.
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus recorded this episode in person in Tom’s Frederick, Maryland home studio. They talked about Lamar’s experience with a new (and very small) camper he and his spouse used to camp en route from Kansas. Lamar pulls off a golf joke with Tom and Tom flubs a joke with Lamar. They talk about a couple places they visited during Lamar’s stay and challenges with GPS vs. Google Maps. On a more serious note, they discuss the importance of positive dialogue in the face of tragedy and the distinction between debate and dialogue. Before grousing that their day at the Great Frederick Fair is a rain out, Lamar and Tom also explore the role of leadership in decision-making.
A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of Kindness
Inspired by Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions:
What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you?
What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?
You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5
Learn more:
Shepherdstown, West Virginia: https://shepherdstown.info/
Evergreen. Colorado School Shooting: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/colorado-student-shot-2-peers-and-then-himself-at-high-school-authorities-say
Charlie Kirk Assassination: https://www.pbs.org/video/charlie-kirk-murder-backer-1757622641/
The Great Frederick Fair: https://thegreatfrederickfair.com/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded September 17, using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from a home studio location in Maryland, USA; Original Publishing Date, September 29, 2025.
What is the power in a name? How do you have challenging conversations about difficult to break personal habits, even addiction? These are just a couple of things discussed in today’s Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar & Tom.
In this conversation, Stan “The Man” Martin discusses his extensive work in community engagement and public health, particularly focusing on the fight against menthol tobacco. Stan is a native son of Buffalo, NY where he continues to live and work today. In this interview he tells Lamar and Tom about the touching origin of his nickname, “Stan the Man.” ThroughHe emphasizes the importance of authentic engagement, listening to community needs, and the impact of marketing on health disparities. Stan shares personal stories and insights on navigating difficult conversations, building collaborative efforts, and the role of kindness in creating positive change within communities.
A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of Kindness
Inspired by our recent conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions:
What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you?
What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?
You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5
Learn more:
Stan “The Man” Martin’s website: https://www.stanmartinconsulting.com/
How the tobacco industry targeted Black Americans with menthol smokes: https://www.npr.org/2022/04/29/1095291808/tobacco-industry-targeted-black-americans-with-menthols
The Master Settlement Agreement (with tobacco companies): https://www.naag.org/our-work/naag-center-for-tobacco-and-public-health/the-master-settlement-agreement/
Congress Investigates Tobacco Industry: https://www.c-span.org/program/congress-investigates/tobacco-industry/638858
2022 Buffalo Shooting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Buffalo_shooting
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded August 6, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA and Buffalo, NY; Original Publishing Date, September 15, 2025.
It’s Labor Day! But how much do you really know about it? Take Tom’s Labor Day quiz with Lamar and learn three other things they think you need to know.
In this engaging Table Talk, Tom Klaus and Lamar Roth explore the significance of Labor Day, the challenges facing the agricultural sector as harvest looms, and the implications of current political trends. They discuss the origins of Labor Day, the serious issues surrounding workers' rights, and the impact of tariffs on grain storage. The conversation takes a lighter turn as they talk about the “wurst” accidents of the past couple years. This Table Talk balances humor and serious topics, encouraging listeners to reflect on the state of society and the importance of activism.
A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of Kindness
Inspired by our recent conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind are now inviting listeners/viewers to participate in our ongoing “Acts of Kindness” poll. You can participate by answering two simple questions:
What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you?
What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?
You can participate through a Google Forms poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5
Learn more:
When Granaries are Full Before the Harvest https://youtu.be/Mg7Xin34prE?si=Fa4sFlf5cl96JAWN
The Handmaid’s Tale: Fact or Fiction in the U.S. today? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-than-handmaid-s-tale-becomi-mAsuiHO9QUSKB_ZxxmmtBQ
Christian Nationalist pastor on women’s role today in American society https://youtube.com/shorts/JGoymv33ZWc?si=bDhciSensQpldAJV
Hot Dog Spill Shuts Down Pennsylvania Highway https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-hot-dogs-crash-96a3994dc8d5c5ce8835ddf3928b35b6
The Oscar Meyer Wiernermobile crashes and flips https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/oscar-meyer-wienermobile-crashes-flips-on-its-side-on-busy-chicago-area-highway/3497299/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. © 2025. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded August 28, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, September 1, 2025.
What if…the world were a kinder place? What would it look like? What would it feel like? How would a kinder world begin? Lamar and Tom talk with Joolz Casey, the founder of #behumankind about these and other questions.
In this episode Joolz Casey introduces the #behumankind movement, which promotes kindness and empathy as essential components of living a fulfilling life. The discussion also touches on the significance of community care, the impact of language on perceptions of kindness, and the challenges of burnout in caregiving roles. Joolz describes the #behumankind model, its application for individuals, teams, and organizations, and the importance of kindness in fostering a supportive community. Joolz also shares insights on the international expansion of the movement, personal impacts of the #behumankind philosophy, and the significance of routines and habits in spreading kindness.
A 3rd Space Survey: Acts of Kindness
This week we introduce a standing poll on kindness, which was inspired by our conversation with Joolz Casey of #behumankind. We’d like to share results from this poll in each episode. You can participate by answering two simple questions: What is an act of kindness you’ve received that made a difference to you? What is an act of kindness you have done which you hope changed another person’s life?
You can find the poll at this link: https://forms.gle/5NQakn6bgeXpm2us5
Learn more:
Learn more about #behumankind: www.behuman-kind.com
Have a taste of the #behumankind member experience:
https://members.behuman-kind.com/spaces/6418576/content
Create a #behumankind account (free):
https://members.behuman-kind.com/feed?autojoin=1
Schedule a chat with Joolz Casey:
https://calendly.com/joolz/121-catch-up?month=2025-08
Visit the #behumankind LinkedIn page:
https://www.linkedin.com/company/72217530/admin/dashboard/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded July 31, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA and Yorkshire, UK; Original Publishing Date, August 18, 2025.
In this engaging conversation, Tom Klaus and Lamar Roth share their weekend experiences, discuss the art of civil discourse, and delve into various topics including sports, technology, and political promises. They explore the nuances of disagreement, particularly around golf as a sport, the Apple vs. Microsoft debate, and a review of Trump's campaign promises, especially regarding immigration policies. Throughout the discussion, they emphasize the importance of finding common ground and understanding differing perspectives.A 3rd Space Survey: Promises, Promises, PromisesTake a minute to complete our very brief poll. Thanks! https://forms.gle/s6nxYRjfxzfnQsST8Learn more: President Trump Has Kept His Promises…And Then Some: https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/07/president-trump-has-kept-his-promises-and-then-some/ Here’s what Trump has done on 14 of his major campaign promises:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-14-major-campaign-promises-rcna203436 MAGA-Meter: Trump’s Second Term: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/maga-meter-tracking-donald-trumps-2024-promises/ President Trump’s Campaign Promises: A 100-day Progress Report: https://nolabels.org/the-latest/trumps-campaign-promises-a-100-day-progress-report/Tracking Trump’s Presidential Promises: https://apnews.com/projects/trump-campaign-promise-tracker/ USA Facts: https://usafacts.org/ How We Check OurselvesFact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/ FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/ Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsAd Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive Meet Lamar and TomLamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry. Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions. Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics? Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.Credits:Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom KlausImages by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AIFinal review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc. Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com. No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.Recorded July 24, 2025, using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, August 4, 2025.
This throwback episode takes us back to Episode 7 in Season 3, when, on April Fools’ Day eve, Lamar and Tom had a bit of fun with some of the odd but true stories in the news. Hey, it’s still a heavy world right now and we still need an occasional break. We chose this as a throwback episode because it has been the most widely watched, downloaded, and listened to so far this season. Enjoy again…or for the first time.
Learn more:
News stories that inspired today’s show:
The price of eggs is coming down
Royal Shrovetide
Trump administration purges examples of diversity efforts in Defense Department:
Rachel Maddow on, “Clumsy execution turns a bad idea into another humiliation for Trump” https://youtu.be/CQ90aLXmbVY?si=_pYpPc9rmkP1uPDm
Deaths on Airplanes in Mid Flight - How would you like to sit next to a dead person on a flight?
Emergency Donuts
A toddler in Oklahoma, playing with an old cell phone that was still connected to 911, called for “Emergency Donuts.” Listen to the call here: https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2025/03/03/Moore-Police-Department-emergency-doughnuts/3521741028902/
Texas Deputy wrangles a kangaroo in a red jacket:
In Fayette County Texas deputies were called out to wrangle a kangaroo in a red jacket. https://www.facebook.com/FayetteCountySheriffsOfficeTexas/posts/649651740932201?ref=embed_post
If you are happy but you can’t show it, you can’t come to this comedy club.
Top UK comedy club bans audience members with botox after “numerous complaints” https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/botox-ban-comedy-club-london-b2710893.html
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded March 11, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, March 31, 2025, rerun on July 21, 2025.
If you are a listener from the United States, how patriotic do you feel at this time? Did you celebrate the 4th of July with enthusiasm and gusto or with an eye roll and a mumbled “Meh!”?
In this conversation, we reflect on the significance of the 4th of July and explore the concept of patriotism. We discuss personal experiences related to Independence Day, the meaning of patriotism in contemporary society, and the importance of acknowledging both the positive and negative aspects of American history. We emphasize the need for critical assessment of national pride and the role of civil discourse in creating a more inclusive understanding of patriotism.
Take Our Patriotic Survey:
We’d like to know how you spent your 4th of July this year and what it means to you to be patriotic, now that you know our answers to these. Please take a minute to visit this Google Form link where you can take our three question survey: https://forms.gle/f1Xsm112E8hVogJV7
Learn more:
The 4th of July, a Time to Celebrate…or Not? By Heidi and Guy Burgess - https://open.substack.com/pub/beyondintractability/p/newsletter-365?r=2ztkta&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
We asked the same questions of Perplexity AI that Heidi and Guy asked of Chat GPT 4o. We got similar answers. If you are curious, you can look at what we found on Perplexity using this link: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-you-tell-me-what-progressi-2It9P1PLSXWppcK6NPo0sQ
An excellent podcast that looks at what it means to be patriotic through the evolution of Captain America. Does America Need a Hero? From NPR history podcast Throughline: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/03/1255164467/does-america-need-a-hero
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Video from KCRG-TV and PBS News Hour.
Final review and approval by Jake and Ebie Dawgs Inc.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded July 3, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, July 7, 2025.
In just a few weeks, we’ll celebrate the two year anniversary of the start of this podcast and we’ll be approaching our 50th episode. It seems like a good time for us to take a step back and remember why we are doing this podcast and what we hope to accomplish with it. In this episode, Lamar touchbase with the foundation of Getting to 3rd Space.
Learn more:
Juneteenth: Sun, Sounds and the Spirit of Freedom (National Museum of African American History & Culture) https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/moments/juneteenth#:~:text=Juneteenth%20is%20an%20often%20overlooked,Lincoln%20signed%20the%20Emancipation%20Proclamation
Nathan Sage, Iowa Democrat for Senate - https://www.sageforsenate.com/
'Well, we all are going to die” (The Des Moines Register, May 30, 2025) https://www.desmoinesregister.com/videos/news/politics/2025/05/30/senator-joni-ernst-iowa-town-hall-well-we-all-are-going-to-die-butler-county/83945134007/
Iowans' responses to Joni Ernst: 'You just moved well beyond elitist' | Letters (The Des Moines Register, June 3, 2025) https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/readers/2025/06/02/joni-ernst-apology-video-reactions-medicaid/83993313007/
Joni Ernst posts sarcastic apology for Medicaid comments that “we all are going to die” https://youtu.be/gqdwSLKE554?si=jPYEgMlU1IEAle-h
Is the video featuring Caitlin Clark questioning the gender of Brittney Griner real or a deep fake? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-the-video-featuring-caitlin-cNWQhhRuSeGuKjpfFgk.PQ
11 rumors regarding Caitlin Clark we've addressed (Snopes.com) https://www.snopes.com/collections/caitlin-clark-rumors-collection/
Okay, even Getting to 3rd Space has an AI summary on the web that WE didn’t write. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=getting+to+3rd+space+with+lamar+and+tom&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Video from KCRG-TV and PBS News Hour.
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, All Rights Reserved. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and https://www.rothimages.com/
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Permissions: hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded June 19, 2025 using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, June 23, 2025.
Lamar and Tom welcome Allen Schrag, an innovative Kansas farmer and business person with a lifetime of experience in farming. In this conversation, they discuss the current state of agriculture, comparing it to the 1980s farm crisis, and explore the risks and challenges faced by farmers today. Allen, and his son Paul, operate Silver Creek Farms where they utilize an array of innovative farming techniques, including the use of biologicals to enhance crop production and to maintain soil health for future generations. To learn more about Allen, Paul, and their approach to farming, visit this website: https://locusag.com/grower-spotlight/allen-schrag-silver-creek-farms/
Learn more:
The Farm Crisis, a 2013 documentary by Iowa Public Television (film, approx. 90 minutes): https://www.pbs.org/video/iptv-specials-farm-crisis/
The Farm Crisis of the 1980’s, a short-course based on the 2013 documentary above: https://www.iowapbs.org/iowapathways/mypath/2422/farm-crisis-1980s
Country (1984 film starring Jessica Lange and Sam Shepard): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087091/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
The River (1984 film starring Cissy Spacek and Mel Gibson): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088007/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
The Farmer’s Wife (1998 Frontline Series from PBS):
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/farmerswife/
Also, check out these concepts described by Allen:
Biologicals in agriculture: https://locusag.com/blog/agricultural-biologicals/
Carbon offsets: https://www.climatefarmers.org/blog/carbon-credits-for-farmers-what-are-they-and-what-benefits-do-they-bring/
Chapter 12 bankruptcy: https://www.vermontlaw.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Chapter-12-Bankruptcy-Brief.pdf
Sustainable Airline Fuel (SAF): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_biofuel
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded May 15, 2025, using Riverside.fm - http://riverside.fm/ - from “home studio” locations in Maryland, Kansas, and Arkansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, June 9, 2025.
In this conversation, District 7 Kansas State Senator Ethan Corson discusses his background, career, and the importance of civil dialogue in politics. He shares insights on navigating a Republican supermajority in the Senate, the differences between federal and state politics, and the significance of communication and listening skills in legislative processes. Ethan Corson emphasizes the need for respectful conversations and the role of civil dialogue in preserving democracy, while also reflecting on his personal motivations for entering politics and the challenges faced in today's political climate.
Learn more:
Meet Ethan Corson (Wikipedia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Corson
Ethan Corson Campaign Website https://www.ethanforkansas.com/about
Senator Ethan Corson at the Kansas Statehouse https://www.kslegislature.gov/li/b2025_26/members/sen_corson_ethan_1/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded May 7, 2025, using Riverside.fm from Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, May 26, 2025.
The Constitution has been the guiding document for the United State of America for nearly 250 years. The documents cover a wide range of issues which make it possible for people in a large, diverse country to live peacefully and harmoniously, most of the time. One of the important topics it addresses is the issue of which powers are “reserved” for States and which powers are “enumerated” for Federal government. Of course, it is not always so clear. In this episode, Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus discuss the concept of states' rights, exploring its historical context, evolution, and current implications, particularly in relation to education. They examine the tension between federal and state powers, the role of the 10th Amendment, and the influence of federal policies on local education systems. The discussion highlights concerns over public funding and the quality of education, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach to governance.
Learn more:
The Constitution: From the National Constitution Center https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution
What are States Rights and What is Federalism? (From PBS WHYY “Your Democracy”) https://youtu.be/4xKPhMesFPo?si=K9DXvbsHiYp7oo2m
Federalism: Balancing State vs. Federal Powers https://pluralpolicy.com/blog/state-vs-federal-powers/
In what ways are States Rights coming into conflict with Federal Rights today in the Trump Administration? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/in-what-ways-are-states-rights-iMg.uze2Sv6dmfLDJ6Dq0w
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded May 1, 2025, using Riverside.fm from Maryland and Kansas, USA; Original Publishing Date, May 12, 2025.
Do you “buy American?” If so, what does that mean?
Does it mean you “buy American” all of the time? Does it mean you purchase only those items that are both sourced and manufactured in the United States? Or, does it mean you purchase items that are “made in the USA” but with materials that come from outside the country? What about services?
To “buy American” may not be as easy as it once was, with or without tariffs. In today’s podcast Lamar and Tom talk about their experiences of buying American, how it has changed over time, and explore what it might mean today.
Learn more:
2024 Cars.com American-Made Index: Which Cars Are the Most American? https://www.cars.com/articles/2024-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-484903/
Silicon, USA: Technology That's Actually Made in America https://www.pcmag.com/news/silicon-usa-technology-made-in-america
What Farm Tractors are Made in the USA? https://www.hometownstation.com/news-articles/what-farm-tractors-are-made-in-the-us-365943
It’s Your Turn: We suggest you Google this question: What percentage of food consumed in the USA is actually produced in the USA?
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded April 16, 2025; Original Publishing Date April 28, 2025
Civil conversations and dialogue are made more difficult when participants are not speaking honestly, are simply parroting the ideas of others, or are unwilling to consider being changed through dialogue. In this episode, Lamar and Tom talk about conversations in which truth is illusive, and truthiness is not valued.
Learn more:
The work of Alan Yarborough and his organization, Habits of Discourse, was part of the inspiration of this episode:
https://www.habitsofdiscourse.com/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Recorded April 3, 2025; Original Publishing Date April 14, 2025
On this April Fools’ Day eve Lamar and Tom have a bit of fun with some of the odd but true stories in the news. Hey, we all need a break when things have been pretty heavy in the world, right? Thankfully we have April Fools’ Day to help us out.
Learn more:
News stories that inspired today’s show:
The price of eggs is coming down
https://www.newsweek.com/price-eggs-rising-falling-cost-2042992
Royal Shrovetide
Trump administration purges examples of diversity efforts in Defense Department:
Rachel Maddow on, “Clumsy execution turns a bad idea into another humiliation for Trump” https://youtu.be/CQ90aLXmbVY?si=_pYpPc9rmkP1uPDm
Deaths on Airplanes in Mid Flight - How would you like to sit next to a dead person on a flight?
Mid flight deaths are precipitated by in-flight medical emergencies (IMEs). The data on IMEs is not very complete for three reasons: https://emottawablog.com/2022/05/is-there-a-doctor-on-board-in-flight-emergencies/:
One study claimed there were 24 mid flight deaths in the United States in 2024 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11671026/
Emergency Donuts
A toddler in Oklahoma, playing with an old cell phone that was still connected to 911, called for “Emergency Donuts.” Listen to the call here: https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2025/03/03/Moore-Police-Department-emergency-doughnuts/3521741028902/
Texas Deputy wrangles a kangaroo in a red jacket:
If you are happy but you can’t show it, you can’t come to this comedy club.
Top UK comedy club bans audience members with botox after “numerous complaints” https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/botox-ban-comedy-club-london-b2710893.html
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
Recorded March 11, 2025; Original Publishing Date: March 31, 2025
President Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of nearly 1,600 people who committed “certain offenses” at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. As these folks return to their homes, how do their communities respond to them? Inspired by a story of one such J6 defendant in the New York Times, Lamar and Tom have a Table Talk on crimes, punishments, and pardons.
Learn more:
Pardoned for January 6, She Came Home to a New Reality: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/21/nyregion/jan-6-capitol-pardon.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zU4.-MQ9.AiB_aYF8KsAL&smid=url-share
Presidential Actions: Granting Pardons and Commutation of Sentences for Certain Offenses Relating to the Events at or Near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021:
Presidential Pardons Under Article II (of the U.S. Constitution): https://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/presidential-pardons-under-article-ii.html
A presidential pardon (forgiveness) does not expunge (erase) a person’s conviction. https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions
Expungement and pardoning are two separate processes. https://www.koffellaw.com/blog/little-known-facts-about-expungement/
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Original Publishing Date: March 17, 2025
What is new was old. What is old is new again. This is true of many things, including politics. On January 20th Donald J. Trump became President of the United States again for the second time. It has been a fast-paced and interesting (some would say “frightening”) few weeks. In this podcast Lamar and Tom scootch up to the kitchen table, pour a cup of coffee, and talk about what has been happening. Join us!
Learn more:
News stories that inspired today’s show:
What is Elon Musk’s job? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/19/us/politics/elon-musk-job-white-house-trump.html?smid=url-share
White House Shares Photos of Donald Trump Dressed as a King
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-donald-trump-king-time-2033574
How We Check Ourselves
Fact Checking: Because there are a lot of things happening…some true, some false, some unbelievable…we use the following fact checking sites. Take a look for yourself:
Snopes - https://www.snopes.com/
FactCheck.org - https://www.factcheck.org/
Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/
RealClearPolitics - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Because media can have its own biases, we also rely upon these sites to help us get balanced coverage:
Media Bias/Fact Check - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
All Sides - https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart - https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Original Publishing Date: March 3, 2025
Part 2 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado.
In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution.
As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States.
In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI)
The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics.
To Learn more:
Beyond Intractability (BI) Website: https://www.beyondintractability.org/
BI Newsletter: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/
The US in 2024: An Election that Worked and a Democracy that Doesn’t by Heidi and Guy Burgess: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/p/newsletter-306
"Massively Parallel Problem Solving and Democracy Building: An Ongoing Response to the Threats to Democracy in the U.S": (https://toda.org/policy-briefs-and-resources/policy-briefs/report-200-full-text.html)
The Perception Gap: https://perceptiongap.us/
BeHumankind at Really Useful Change: https://www.reallyusefulchange.com/
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Original Publishing Date: February 17, 2025
Part 1 of 2. Lamar and Tom talk with Heidi and Guy Burgess who have been life and professional partners for more than 50 years. They received their PhDs in sociology in the same year from the University of Colorado.
In the late 1980s they received a grant from the Hewlett Foundation to start a conflict resolution "theory-building center" that is now known as the Conflict Information Consortium. In addition to directing the Consortium, both Guy and Heidi taught peace and conflict at the University of Colorado, the University of Denver, and in George Mason University's School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, now the Carter School for Peace and Conflict Resolution.
As Co-Directors of the Consortium, the Burgesses have been able to self-design rather unusual careers which combined theory building, practice, and teaching using theories and strategies from many disciplines, not just sociology. Drawn to complexity and systems theory very early by Kenneth Boulding's work, they almost always tried to focus on the big picture, focusing particularly on difficult conflict problems from international conflicts to environmental and public policy conflicts in the United States.
In the early 1990's they also began focusing on the use of computer-based information systems and the Internet to disseminate conflict knowledge to as many people as possible. This resulted in the development of two extremely large knowledge bases: CRInfo (The Conflict Resolution Information Source) and the follow-on Intractable Conflict Knowledge Base Project which produced a second very large online knowledge base called Beyond Intractability (BI)
The Burgess' current focus is on hyper-polarization and constructive approaches to conflict. They have a free Substack newsletter that focuses on those topics, and will soon be releasing (on BI) a free guide (i.e., growing online book) on those topics.
To Learn more:
Beyond Intractability (BI) Website: https://www.beyondintractability.org/
BI Newsletter: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/
The US in 2024: An Election that Worked and a Democracy that Doesn’t by Heidi and Guy Burgess: https://beyondintractability.substack.com/p/newsletter-306
"Massively Parallel Problem Solving and Democracy Building: An Ongoing Response to the Threats to Democracy in the U.S": (https://toda.org/policy-briefs-and-resources/policy-briefs/report-200-full-text.html)
The Perception Gap: https://perceptiongap.us/
BeHumankind at Really Useful Change: https://www.reallyusefulchange.com/
Meet Lamar and Tom
Lamar Roth and Tom Klaus are lifelong friends exploring how to get to a 3rd Space - a space where two or more people with opposing viewpoints, ideologies, and worldviews can come together to hear, listen, share, and connect with one another. Together Lamar and Tom hope to carve out a 3rd Space where everything can be on the table for open, straightforward, honest, and, yet kind and respectful inquiry.
Want to watch us do the podcast? Visit the Klaus Haus Productions YouTube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/@KlausHausProductions.
Comments? Suggestions? Ideas for guests or topics?
Send us a voice message on Spotify or email us at lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com and tom3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Credits:
Wild Opinions and Nonsensical Musings by Lamar Roth & Tom Klaus
Images by Getty Images, Pexels, Pixabay, Roth Images, and Cyberlink AI
Photos by Lamar Roth are copyrighted by Roth Images, all rights reserved. For more information, visit https://www.rothimages.com/. For permissions or additional information: lamar3rdSpace@gmail.com.
Getting to 3rd Space with Lamar and Tom is produced and sponsored by Klaus Haus Productions LLC and Acorn Consulting, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
For permissions or additional Information contact hello@klaushausllc.com.
No living creature was harmed in the production of this film but a lot of Colombian coffee was consumed.
Original Publishing Date: February 3, 2025
