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Get REAL About Safety

Mike McCarroll & Pamela Fisher

46 episodes

1 month ago

This podcast is presented by PROSAFE Solutions. We talk about the new view of safety, human performance, leadership, and culture improvement. Pam and Mike will have ongoing conversations about these topics as well as interviews with other safety professionals on the journey of continuous improvement and learning.

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This podcast is presented by PROSAFE Solutions. We talk about the new view of safety, human performance, leadership, and culture improvement. Pam and Mike will have ongoing conversations about these topics as well as interviews with other safety professionals on the journey of continuous improvement and learning.

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Episodes (20/46)

Get REAL About Safety

Human and Organizational Performance - The Novolex Journey

Novolex is a large manufacturing firm specializing in flexible packaging. They began their HOP journey about 3 years ago. Mike interviews Courtney Kuykendall, Corporate Health and Safety Director and Jason Bell, EHS training manager about their success and challenges in integrating and sustaining the principles. This is a preview of a presentation we three will be co-presenting at the Georgia Safety Conference in Savannah, GA on September 6, 2024.

1 year ago

31 minutes

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Construction Safety - "The Way it Was"

Mike and Pam talk about how safety has changed on construction sites since they began their careers.

3 years ago

1 hour 13 minutes

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The Alec Baldwin Shooting Incident-A Human Performance Case Study

The recent Alec Baldwin shooting incident is an interesting study in human and organizational performance. Mike discusses some of the latent conditions, error precursors and error traps that are currently known.

3 years ago

48 minutes

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The Problems With Safety Training

Pam and Mike talk about the changes and evolution of safety training and ongoing need for improvement.

4 years ago

38 minutes

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The Problem With JHAs

Pam talks about the problems and potential solutions to those problems in conducting meaningful JHAs (pre-work meetings).

4 years ago

16 minutes

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Memories Are Not Evidence

Memories are often thought of as factual evidence during incident/accident investigations. In reality, memories are easily contaminated by others and likely to change over time. In event learning, we don't rely on memories as evidence but instead seek to understand the event context.

4 years ago

14 minutes

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That's NOT Human Performance!

Successfully integrating and sustaining Human Performance in an organization requires a holistic approach. Unfortunately, too many try to piecemeal HP by cherry-picking bits and pieces of this operating philosophy. This almost always results in failure of execution. Mike discusses common ways that organizations screw up HP.

4 years ago

22 minutes

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Assume The Worst

Despite our best efforts at accident prevention, sooner or later failure will occur. Serious and catastrophic events often involve outliers or anomalies that are unimaginable and beyond prediction. Mike discusses why organizations need to change the mindset that we can prevent everything. We need to move towards balancing preventative efforts with consequence-control and recovery efforts. We need to make it safe to fail.

4 years ago

21 minutes

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You Can't Fix Stupid

Pam does something stupid and decides to talk about how we are all human, we are all fallible and the need to move from shame and blame to learning.

4 years ago

18 minutes

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You Don't Have a Safety Problem

Often, safety problems are not safety problems at all. They are operating system problems. Safety professionals are often tasked to fix issues that they're unable to fix and can only be fixed by management. Human Performance is about understanding how operating systems drive errors and at-risk behaviors. Mike discusses some of the more common operational issues that get labeled as "safety problems".

4 years ago

17 minutes

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Get REAL....The Top 4 Motivators for Employee Engagement

Traditional "Crime & Punishment" models of safety tend to disengage workers. Mike discusses the largest and most statistically valid study ever conducted on employee engagement and motivation. Creating a safety culture based on the top 4 motivators will transform your organization.

4 years ago

19 minutes

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The Myth of Situational Awareness

Attention is a finite resource. However, many traditional "accident investigations" tend to identify lack of situational awareness as a cause rather than a symptom of a deeper issue. Mike discusses how organizations need to move beyond judgmental statements to understanding how attention works.

4 years ago

21 minutes

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Management Accountability - The Engine That Drives Safety

If there is any one area of safety management in which organizations struggle it is how to drive the safety performance of managers and supervisors. Mike discusses the difference between responsibility and accountability and some ways to develop a formalized accountability system.

4 years ago

51 minutes

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NFPA 70E-2021 and Human Performance

One mistake can get you killed in electrical work. NFPA 70E - 2021 addresses Human Performance. Mike and Pam discuss how errors occur in electrical work and how following HP principles help to not only reduce the potential but save lives.

4 years ago

38 minutes

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Managing crane rigging through the eyes of systems-thinking

Pam talks with Sam Socolow and Philip Greisen about the challenges of managing rigging, with the understanding that all riggers, no matter how experienced or qualified, will eventually make mistakes.

4 years ago

57 minutes

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Winter Is Coming

Pam talks to Lisa Capacik, Nicole Ivers and Hilarie Warren about the current status of COVID 19 in the workplace. We talk about the challenges of travel during the holidays, COVID fatigue and increasing issues with worker stress and anxiety.

4 years ago

1 hour 3 minutes

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Safety Stand Downs Are Stupid

Pam talks about how some safety Stand Downs are pretty stupid. However, they can be a great way to bridge the communication gap between management and workers. Some suggestions for improving your process are discussed.

4 years ago

12 minutes

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Complacency Is A Cop-out

Pam discusses the unfortunate default language, i.e. "complacency" and "failure to pay attention", often used post event. Use of these terms indicate a lack of understanding of human performance principles and does not offer value in event analysis.

5 years ago

12 minutes

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The Gorilla in the Room

Culpability is the gorilla in the room for most managers trying to understand Human Performance (or The New View of Safety). Mike will discuss a Human Performance approach to fair and balanced accountability.

5 years ago

22 minutes

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A Piece of Paper Never Saved a Life

Pam discusses our over reliance on paper for managing safety, especially after an event. Knee jerk reactions to creating procedures typically result in more complicated and unworkable procedures, particularly when done without worker involvement.

5 years ago

13 minutes