This is a live recording from the 10th June 2025 at the National Association of Healthcare Fire Officers.
With guests Peter Aldridge
Jim Miller
and
Jak Ryan
You can join NAHFO at https://nahfo.org
This years event was sponsored by Birmingham Dogs Home
www.birminghamdogshome.org.uk
This episode looks at Volume 2 Chapter 24 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report specifically;
1. Celotex RS5000 Insulation
A. Introduction
B. Background
i. Key Personnel & Management
ii. The Acquisition by Saint Gobain
iii. Lambda Values
iv. The Change of Polyol
C. The Development of RS5000
i. Genesis of the "Above 18m Project": 2008 - 2012
ii. Allocation to Jonathan Roper: 2012 - 2013
iii. June 2013: Business Case
iv. Celotex's Investigations during 2013
v. Sotech and IFC: June - October 2013
vi. Discussions with BRE: May and October 2013
vii. The Roper-Evans Exchange: 1st November 2013
vii. 4th November 2013 Meeting - The 5 Options
viii. The Decision to Proceed
ix. Designing the Test
x. The First Test: 14th February 2014
xi. Reaction to the First Failed Test
xii. Decision to Restest
xiii. Design Changes
xiv. No New Drawings
xv. Source of Materials
xvi. The Second Test - May 2014
xvii. BRE's Knowledge of the Design Changes
xviii. Decisions Following the Second Test
xix. The Slide Show
xx. Instructions to Produce Slides "For General Business Use"
D. BRE Draft Report
i. Discussion of the Draft Report
ii. Decision not to Correct the Report
iii. Request to Remove Figure 18
iv. Internal Review and Issue of the Report
v. Mr Clark's Involvement in the BRE Test Report
vi. The RS5000 Classification Report
vii. The Abridged Report
viii. The Marketing of RS5000
ix. The RS5000 Marketing Literature
x. The Compliance Guide
xi. The Specification Guide
xii. Other Marketing Documents
xiii. Internal Launch of RS5000
E. Aftermath of the Launch
i. Relations with NHBC
ii. Problems in the Market
iii.LABC Approval
iv. Handover to Debbie Berger
v. Contact with BRE
vi. February 2015: Market Analysis Slideshow
vii. Desktop Study (March 2015)
viii. Exova's Draft Report
ix. NHBC's Reaction
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A follow up episode looking at the last 2 weeks events regarding EWS1 forms and the reactions from industry and people affected.
If you are happy to share your story get in touch at Podcast@fireninja.info
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You can view the twitter/X conversation at the following link
https://x.com/RH_residents/status/1887822347278721196
This episode will look at the current claims surrounding Adam Kiziak of Tri Fire and Tri Fire themselves.
Matt Hodges-Long of The Building Safety Register and Trackmyrisks https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthodgeslong/
And
Gavin Skelly of Fire Aware https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavin-skelly-fciob-miconstm-afa-6126071b0/
Guest starred on this podcast. This is a developing story and as such may receive further edits.
This episode looks at Volume 2 Chapter 23 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report and does contain swearing specifically;
1. Certification of Kingspan K15 by LABC - Local Authority Building Control
A. Local Authority Building Control
B. LABC's Certification Schemes
C. The First Certificate for K15: May 2009 - May 2012
D. Mr Jones' Meeting with Kingspan in December 2008
E. Concerns Raised about the LABC Type Approval for K15
F. Later LABC Registered Details Certificates for K15
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This episode looks at Volume 2 Chapter 22 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report and does contain swearing specifically;
1. Kingspan K15 Insulation
A. The Use of K15 Insulation on Grenfell Tower
B. K15 - The Product
C. Early Marketing
D. Large Scale Testing: May 2005
E. Kingspan's Presentation of the 2005 Test: 2005 and 2006
F. Fire Performance Claims for New Technology K15
G. Class 0
H. The Fire Performance of New Technology K15
I. Testing in Accordance with BAS 476 Parts 6 and 7
J. Testing under BS 8414
K. The First BBA Certificate: October 2008
i. "Will not contribute to the development stages of a fire..."
ii. Class 0
iii. The BS 8414 Test in 2005
iv. "Advice should be sought from the certificate holder"
L. What the BBA did not Know
M. Amendments Proposed by the BBA: December 2008
N. Marketing and Challenges: 2008 - 2009
O. The LABC Certificate 2009
P. Amended BBA Certificates 2010 - 2013
Q. LABC, NHBC & Wintech: 2012 - 2013
R. BS 8414 Test: 2014
S. Conclusions
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This episode looks at Volume 2 Chapter 21 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report speifically;
1. The Review of The Reynobond Certificate
A. The BBA's Review Processes: An Overview
B. The Agreement with CSTB
C. Review Project 2011
D. Arconic Reynobond PE Testing in 2011
E. Review Project: 2013-2015
F. Maria Barbeito's Attempts to Review the Certificate: October 2013 - September 2014
G. Valentina Amoroso's Review: September 2014 - January 2015
H. Arconic's Submissions on the Review
I. Reissue Contract 2015
J. Review Project 2016
K. Technical Reissue: 2016 - 2017
L. Reissue September 2017
M. The Discovery of Reynobond PE & FR Test Reports
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This episode looks at Volume 2 Chapters 19 and 20 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
1. Chapter 19 - The BBA Certificate for Reynobond 55 PE
A. The Product
B. Behaviour in Relation to Fire
i) Section 6.1
ii) Sections 6.2 and 6.3: Class 0
C) The BBA's Evidence
D) Mr Wehrle's Statements
E) Section 6.3: The Unexposed Face of the Product
F) Section 6.4: Colour
G) Section 6.5: Resistance to Fire
2. Chapter 20 - Subsequent Testing & Marketing of Reynobond 55 PE
A. The Fred-Roderick Pohl Presentation: September 2007
B. Internal & External Communications: 2009 - 2010
C. Further Testing & Review
i) CSTB Testing: June 2010
ii) CSTB Testing of Reynobond 55 PE in Casette Form: 2011
D. The First BBA Review: February - July 2011
E. Concentrating on the UK Market: July 2011
F. The Tamwheel Tower Fire: November 2012
G. The Al Hafeet Fire & Monitoring of Projects
H. Supply by Arconic for use at Grenfell Tower
I. Further Testing & Classification: 2013 - 2014
J. Claude Wehrle's Message of 3 February 2014
K. The Lacrosse Fire: November 2014
L. The BBA Review: 2013 - 2015
M. Further Testing by CSTB: October - December 2014
N. Testing of Reynobond 55 PE with a Black Core: 2015
O. Arctics Involvement in the Supply of Reynobond 55 PE for use at Grenfell Tower: 2015
P. Arctics Reaction to Cladding Fires Overseas: 2015 - 2016
i) Fire at The King Fahd Medical Centre in Riyadh: October 2015
ii) The Address Dubai: 31 December 2015
iii) Place De Hagenau: January 2016
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This episode looks at Volume 2 Chapters 15, 16, 17 and 18 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
1. Part 3: The Testing & Marketing of Products
2. Chapter 15 - Introduction to Part 3
3. Chapter 16 - Arconic - Evidential Matters
A. The French Blocking Statute
B. The Gathering of Documents & Witness Statements
C. Gathering Evidence from Arconics Employees
4. Chapter 17 - Arconics Testing of ACM Panels 1997 - 2006
A. January 1997: Reynobond 160 PE
B. July 2006: Colin Southgate's Warnings
C. European Testing: 2004 - 2006
i) December 2004: Tests 5A & 5B
ii) Test 5A
iii) Test 5B
iv) 2003 - 2006 Tests on Reynobond 55 FR (Riveted Form)
5) Chapter 18 - Obtaining a BBA Certificate for Reynobond 55 PE
A. The Application to the BBA: August 2006
B. Negotiations Between Arconic & The BBA
C. Arconics Contract with the BBA: March 2007
D. Arconics Further Provision of test Data to the BBA: May - November 2007
E. Drafting & Issuing of the BBA Certificate: October 2007 - January 2008
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapters 13 & 14 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
Chapter 13: The Fire Safety Order
Chapter 14: The Local Government Association Guide
This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 12 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
1. Regulation of Fire Risk Assessors
A. The Initial Evaluation of the Effectiveness of The Fire Safety Order (March 2009)
B. Sir Ken Knight's Report on the Fire at Lakanal House (July 2009)
C. London Assembly Report - Tall & Timber-Framed Buildings
D. The Government's Initial Response
E. Jayne Boys's Review
F. The Fire Risk Assessment Competency Council
G. The Competency Council Guides
H. The Lakanal House Inquests
I. The Persisting Problem
J. Further Proposals: 2016 Onwards
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 11 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
1. Combustible Cladding: Warnings to Government
A. Introduction
B. 2012 - 2013: International Cladding Fires
C. November 2013 to January 2014: Questions From BRE
D. An FAQ?
E. More International Cladding Fires
F. February 2014: Wintech's Intervention
G. April 2014: Discussions with BRE
H. 2nd July 2014: The CWCT Meeting
I. Brian Martin's Reaction
J. Dr. Colwell & The FAQ
K. A Missed Opportunity to Clarify Approved Document B
L. The Confusion Between Class 0 & Limited Combustibility
M. 2nd July 2014: Brian Martin's Friendly Warning
N. NHBC's Response
O. The Department's Reaction
P. Contact with the BBA
Q. The Department's Omissions: K15
R. August 2014: BCA Technical Guidance Note 18
S. Option 1 & the 'Linear Route'
T. 21st February 2015: The Fire at the Torch
U. June 2015: NHBC's Question
V. January 2016: The Fire at the Address Downtown, Dubai
W. 16th February 2016: Correspondence with Booth Muirie Ltd.
X. Evidence & Statistics
Y. 24th February 2016: More Industry Concerns
Z. 17th March 2016: The Second Meeting of the CWTC
AA. 28th March 2016: The Fire at Ajman One, Dubai
AB. 7th July 2016: The NHBC's New Guidance
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 10 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
Specifically this episode examines;
1. The Department for Communities and Local Government: 2013-2017
A. Introduction
B. The Officials
C. The Ministers
D. De-Regulation
E. The Departments Response to the Coroners Rule 43 Letter
F. Submission to the Junior Minister
G. Submission to the Secretary of State
H. The Appointment of Stephen Williams as Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Communities & Local Government & Richard Harral as Head of Technical Policy: 2013-2014
I. Lord Wharton Becomes a Junior Minister: May 2015
J. Merger of the Review of Approved Document B with the Review of Building Regulations Policy and Building Control: Summer 2015
K. The Effect of De-Regulation on Ministers & Officials
L. Ministerial Submission: November 2015
M. Further Delays in 2016
N. Lord Barwell becomes a Junior Minister: July 2016
O. Further Delay in the Publication of the Discussion Document
P. Other Work on Fire Safety
i) The Save Workstreams
ii) Research on the Spread of Fire over External Walls
iii) Usability Study
Q. Engagement with the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Fire Safety
R. The Management of the Department
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 9 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
Specifically this episode examines;
A. Investigations Immediately Following the Fire
B. Sir Ken Knight's Report to The Secretary of State
C. Further Testing by the LFB of the External Wall Panels
D. BRE's Investigation of Real Fires Report: November 2009
E. Failure to Learn Wider Lessons from the Lakanal House Fire
F. The Inquests into the Deaths at Lakanal House
G. Class 0 & Combustibility
H. Approved Document B
I. The Jury's Verdicts
J. The Coroner's Rule 43 Letter
K. Conclusions
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 8 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
More specifically this episode examines;
1. The Investigation of Real Fires Project
A. Introduction
B. Background
C. The Operation of The Project
D. A Change in the Scope of the Project: October 2012
E. Findings in Reports
F. Sudbury House & Taplow House Fires: 2010-2012
G. Identification of Patterns & Trends
H. Concerns About Downward Fire Spread & Flaming Droplets
I. International Fires
J. Conclusions
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 7 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report and is the second of 2 parts.
This episode examines the following;
1. The Government & The Building Research Establishment
L. Experimental Testing Programme
M. Products Sold As Class 0 Did Not Achieve Class 0
N. Aluminum Composite Panel with Polyethylene Cores
O. Harmonisation & RADAR 2
P. The RADAR Research
Q. Transposition
R. The Retention of Class 0
S. The Transitional Period
T. Equivalence & The Note in Diagram 40
U. The Development of the BS 8414 Test Series & The 2nd Edition of BR 135
i) BS 8414 Part 1:2002
ii) BR 135, 2nd Edition:2003
iii) BS 8414 Part 2:2005
iv) BR 135, 3rd Edition:2006
V. Approved Document B 2006
i) The Background to the Amendment
ii) The 2002 Edition
iii) The 2006 Edition
iv) The Origin & Evolution of the Amendments
v) The Response of NHBC to the Consultation
vi) The Course of the Amendments
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 7 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report and is the first of 2 parts.
This episode examines the following;
1. The Government & The Building Research Establishment
A. Introduction
B. Knowsley Heights: 1991
C. 1994: Dr. Raymond Connolley's Ten Large-Scale Tests
D. 1996-1998: Fire Note 3
E. 1999: The Garnock Court Fire
F. Fire Note 9
G. 1999: Recommendations of the Parliamentary Select Committee
H. 2000: The Departments Response
I. 2000 - 2001: Review of BR 135
J. The Literature Review: 2000
K. The Survey
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 6 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
This episode examines the following;
1. Chapter 6 - Regulations & Guidance Relating to External Walls
A. Introduction
B. The London Building (Constructional) Bylaws
C. The 1965 Building Regulations
D. The Building Regulations 1972
E. The Building Regulations 1976
F. The Building Regulations 1985 & Approved Document B1985
G. The Building Regulations 1991
H. Approved Document B 1992
I. The Building Regulations (Amendment) No. 2 Regulations 1999
J. Building Regulations 2000 & Approved Document B 2000
K. Approved Document B 2000 with 2002 Amendments
L. Approved Document B 2006
M. Approved Document B 2007, 2010 &2013
N. Summary of the External Wall Requirement/Guidance Changes over Time
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 5of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
This episode examines the following;
1. Chapter 5 - Fire Testing
A. Introduction
B. National Reaction to Fire Tests
C. BS 476-4: Non-Combustible
D. BS 476-11: Method for Assessing Heat Emission
E. BS476-6: Method of Test for Fire Propagation of Products
F. BS 476-7: Surface Spread of Flame Test
G. Non-Combustible
H. Limited Combustibility
I. National Class 0
J. European Reaction to Fire Tests
K. BS EN ISO 1182: Non-Combustibility
L. BS EN ISO 1716: Gross Heat Combustion
M. BS EN 13823: Single Burning Item Test
N. BS EN ISO 11925-2: Single Flame Source Test
O. European Reaction to Fire Test Classification System
P. The European Classes Cited in Approved Document B
Q. Large Scale Testing to BS 8414 and Classification to BR 135
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This episode looks at Volume 1 Chapter 3 & 4 of the Grenfell Phase 2 Inquiry report.
This episode examines the following;
1. Chapter 3 - An Introduction to Part 2
2. Chapter 4 - The Development of the Regulatory Regime
A. Terminology
B. Local Acts & Byelaws: Prescriptive Building Regulation
C. Creation of the First Testing Standard for Building Construction
D. State-Sponsored Fire Research Organisation
E. The Move Towards Functional Requirements
F. The Building Regulations 1965
G. The Agrement Board (Later The British Board of Agrement (BBA))
H. Dissatisfaction
I. The Holyroyd Report
J. Move to Funtionality-Based Building Regulations
K. The Building Act 1984, The Building Regulations 1985 & The Approved Documents
L. The Building Regulations Applied to London
M. The Building Regulations 1991
N. The Building Regulations 2000
O. The Building Regulations 2010
