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Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
Katie Anderson
57 episodes
4 days ago
You’re a leader who knows that people are at the center of an exceptional organizational culture. You're excited to activate a culture of continuous learning – where everyone is capable, confident, and empowered to solve problems and innovate at all levels. This podcast is all about inspiring and equipping you to do that – through the power of learning and leading. Chain of Learning® is where the links of leadership and learning unite. Join your host, Katie Anderson, internationally recognized leadership consultant, award-winning author of “Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn”, and fellow learning enthusiast, for a journey that will help you master the skills to lead your organization from a traditional culture of “doing” into a vibrant, high-performing organization of continuous learning. Chain of Learning® is the trusted source for purpose-driven leaders and continuous improvement, lean, and agile practitioners seeking positive inspiration, innovative ideas, proven best practices, and actionable strategies to lead transformational change. Tune into each episode to gain the knowledge and skills you need to build a thriving people-centered learning culture, achieve needed business results, and expand your impact, so that you – and your team – can leave a lasting legacy. Subscribe and follow Chain of Learning® today so you never miss an episode! Share this podcast with your friends, fellow leaders, and colleagues, and let’s strengthen our Chain of Learning® – together. Podcast website: ChainOfLearning.com Katie Anderson’s website: KBJAnderson.com Connect with Katie Anderson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson/ Read Katie's book: LearningToLeadLeadingToLearn.com
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You’re a leader who knows that people are at the center of an exceptional organizational culture. You're excited to activate a culture of continuous learning – where everyone is capable, confident, and empowered to solve problems and innovate at all levels. This podcast is all about inspiring and equipping you to do that – through the power of learning and leading. Chain of Learning® is where the links of leadership and learning unite. Join your host, Katie Anderson, internationally recognized leadership consultant, award-winning author of “Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn”, and fellow learning enthusiast, for a journey that will help you master the skills to lead your organization from a traditional culture of “doing” into a vibrant, high-performing organization of continuous learning. Chain of Learning® is the trusted source for purpose-driven leaders and continuous improvement, lean, and agile practitioners seeking positive inspiration, innovative ideas, proven best practices, and actionable strategies to lead transformational change. Tune into each episode to gain the knowledge and skills you need to build a thriving people-centered learning culture, achieve needed business results, and expand your impact, so that you – and your team – can leave a lasting legacy. Subscribe and follow Chain of Learning® today so you never miss an episode! Share this podcast with your friends, fellow leaders, and colleagues, and let’s strengthen our Chain of Learning® – together. Podcast website: ChainOfLearning.com Katie Anderson’s website: KBJAnderson.com Connect with Katie Anderson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson/ Read Katie's book: LearningToLeadLeadingToLearn.com
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Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
56| Slow Down to Speed Up: The Power of the Pause to Accelerate Continuous Learning

How often do you find yourself racing from meeting to meeting, rushing through tasks, or filling every silence with your own voice? 


In our doing-oriented culture, pausing feels uncomfortable—even counterproductive. Yet left unchecked, our instinct for action and answers can limit learning, development, and innovation.


In this episode, I explore the power of the pause and why mastering it may be one of the most transformative leadership habits you can develop. 


Pausing with purpose—slowing down to create space for silence, reflection, and intentional action—actually accelerates your impact. It’s in the pause—the space between our “doing”—that learning deepens, decisions improve, and people grow. 


Whether you’re leading a team, coaching others, or developing your own learning mindset, this episode will help you discover the power of the pause to drive performance, engagement, and lasting change.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Why silence feels uncomfortable—and how our instinct to fill the space with our thinking limits growth, reflection, and learning
  • How embracing ma (間), the Japanese concept of “ meaningful space between”, creates the conditions for learning, understanding, and transformation 
  • The importance of intentional reflection (hansei) to cultivate a  learning culture rooted in continuous improvement
  • Why mastering the pause creates ripple effects across your team, transforms your leadership, and leads to better results
  • Three ways to develop the power of the pause as a transformational leadership habit to create clarity, ownership, and insight


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes with links to other podcast episodes and resources: ChainOfLearning.com/56 
  • Check out my website for resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


01:50 The benefits of mastering the pause 

02:12 Why silence is uncomfortable making us want to keep things moving
05:05 Katie’s aha moment of the telling habit
08:58 How to pause to create space for others to think

10:16 How the pause is used in Japanese culture
13:18 The meaning of ma (間) and how to apply this concept
15:41 How reflection (hansei) is deeply rooted in Toyota’s culture
16:17 An example of how Agustín created pauses in the busyness of the usual work routines to give space for conversations

17:47 Why the power of the pause is three-fold
17:51 [ONE] Restore the PDSA (Plan-Do-Study-Adjust) cycle
18:20 [TWO] Pausing gives others space to think
18:46 [THREE] The pause shifts you from being reactive to proactive
19:40 Three ways to practice the power of the pause
19:44
[FIRST] Count silently to 10 after you ask an open question
20:01 [SECOND] Schedule reflection and thinking time for yourself and for your team
20:22 [THIRD] Practice the Intention Pause
21:32 The benefits of holding back before sharing your idea

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5 days ago
23 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
55| Adopt the Mentor Mindset: How to Motivate, Guide, and Develop the Next Generation [with David Yeager]

Enter to Win a Copy of David Yeager's book "10 to 25: The Science of Motivating Young People" - Register to win before October 24th at 11:45pm Pacific: http://chainoflearning.com/55

How do you motivate, coach, or lead someone younger—without sounding critical, nagging, or controlling?

We’ve all heard the stereotypes:
“Young people don’t care.”
“They’re entitled.”
“They can’t take feedback.”

But what if those assumptions are what’s really getting in the way of growth, engagement, and connection?

In this episode, I talk with Dr. David Yeager, professor of psychology at the University of Texas at Austin and author of the bestselling book, 10 to 25: The Science of Motivating Young People.


David’s groundbreaking research—conducted with Carol Dweck, Angela Duckworth, and others—reveals how the right balance of high challenge and high support can unlock potential in the next generation and foster a learning culture where people feel valued, respected, and inspired to grow.

Together, we explore the “mentor mindset”—a practical approach to coaching and intentional leadership to help young people move from compliance to engagement and step into their full potential — and how you can provide feedback that creates connection and motivation, not conflict.


Whether you’re a parent, coach, teacher, or organizational leader, you’ll walk away with actionable insights to cultivate a continuous learning mindset and inspire empowered growth. 

YOU’LL LEARN:

  • How to lead with the mentor mindset to create a “learning zone” that combines high expectations with high support, empathy, respect and belief in people’s capability 
  • ​​What the “mentor’s dilemma” is—and why both the enforcer mindset (high challenge, low support) and the protector mindset (high support, low challenge) fall short
  • How great mentors balance rigor and flexibility that encourage people to produce high-quality work without enforcing rigid rules
  • The power of transparency and labeling your intent when giving feedback to build trust and clarity
  • The link between McGregor’s Theory X and Theory Y management mindsets and the mentor’s dilemma, and how these leadership mindsets show up in organizations such as Microsoft, GE, McDonald’s, and Walmart


ABOUT MY GUEST:

David Yeager, PhD, is a professor of psychology at the University of Texas at Austin and the cofounder of the Texas Behavioral Science and Policy Institute. He is the author of, 10 to 25: The Science of Motivating Young People, and best known for his research conducted with Carol Dweck, Angela Duckworth, and Greg Walton on short but powerful interventions that influence adolescent behaviors such as motivation, engagement, healthy eating, bullying, stress, mental health, and more. 


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes with links to other podcast episodes and resources: ChainOfLearning.com/54 
  • Check out my website for resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Connect with David Yeager: linkedin.com/in/david-yeager 
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Check out David Yeager’s book 10 to 25: The Science of Motivating Young People: A Groundbreaking Approach to Leading the Next Generation—And Making Your Own Life Easier: amazon.com/10-25-Motivating-Groundbreaking-Generation 
  • Reach out to learn more about the Athena App: https://txbspi.prc.utexas.edu/
  • Join The Power of the Mindset Masterclass: https://www.masterclass.com/classes/power-of-mindset
  • Subscribe to my newsletter: kbjanderson.com/newsletter 

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:

02:23 The misconceptions about young one that led to David’s research
04:23 What the mentor’s dilemma is and how to overcome it
05:53 The disconnect with giving and receiving feedback
07:43 Other alternatives to what mentorship can really be for young ones
09:06 The predicament young ones are in between wanting respect, but not having the rights of adulthood
10:50 The difference between the enforcer and protector mindset
11:32 The mentor's dilemma in withholding feedback or being too supportive
12:58 Characteristics of the enforcer mindset in the blame and shame approach and the problems it causes
14:02 Characteristics of the protector mindset includes low standards, but high support
16:37 Different types of leadership styles and why they can be referred to as “mindsets” instead
19:16 The conflicts between protector and enforcer mindsets
21:56 How to have a mentor mindset in dealing with challenges in the workplace or at home
22:26 Example of a mentor mindset in dealing with students in holding a high standard, while also providing support
28:44 Difference between intellectual rigor and logistical rigor
30:92 Benefit of holding a rigorous standard while also providing support in helping others meet their goals
32:51 Example of Stef Okamoto in transforming her old enforcer culture to embracing a mentor mindset focused on honesty and collaboration
37:14 Example of how to use the mentor mindset in correcting behavior in the workplace without being offensive
43:47 The Athena App created with Carol Dweck to help managers deal with conflict
45:41 The misalignment between the real experience in working in serving customers and what managers really need
46:34 Top tip for managers to show up with the mentor mindset in addition to asking questions
47:55 The importance of transparency in leadership to collaboratively troubleshoot issues
49:30 Why leading and mentoring young people isn't about lowering the bar or enforcing compliance, but holding high standards with support
50:41 Asking questions and providing encouragement to be a better leader
51:28 The power of labeling and making your intentions clear when giving feedback
52:37 Question to reflect on to shift into a mindset mentor

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2 weeks ago
52 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
54| BONUS - Build Influence and Get Buy-in: Elevating the Positioning, ROI, and Value of Lean and Continuous Improvement [with Betsy Jordyn]

What do people in other functions at your organization think lean is all about?

For many—in HR, OD, Finance, or operations—the answer is simple: process improvement, efficiency, waste elimination. 

And while those are pieces of the puzzle, they miss the bigger picture.

Too often, continuous improvement and operational excellence teams get pigeonholed as “process people,” making it hard to gain traction or build the partnerships needed for real transformation.

But lean isn’t just about processes—it’s about people. It’s a strategy for developing leaders, engaging employees, and creating lasting change.


If you’re struggling to get leadership buy-in for lean or continuous improvement, the problem likely isn't the results you deliver. It’s how you’re positioning the value of lean and your role as a change leader.


That’s why I teamed up with my friend and business positioning and branding expert Betsy Jordyn for a special bonus episode.

Together, we explore one of the biggest challenges you face as a lean and CI professional: how to position and frame your work so others see its true impact.

YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Why lean consultants – both internal and external – struggle with positioning
  • How to talk about what you do in language executives care about
  • Why people and learning matter more than tools
  • How to connect leadership behaviors to measurable business results
  • And why influence skills are just as important as technical expertise

Whether you’re an internal or external consultant, this conversation will help you reframe your work in ways that create greater traction and impact.


ABOUT MY GUEST:


Betsy Jordyn is a Brand Positioning Strategist that helps consulting and coaching business owners clarify their brand positioning and messaging, create a website presence that positions them as sought-after experts, land clients with ease and integrity, and take their place as thought leaders and influencers in their niche. Her mission is to help consultants and coaches monetize their best-at strengths and authentic passions to make a bigger difference in the world.



IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: https://kbjanderson.com/roi-strategic-positioning-lean-consultants/ 
  • Watch this bonus episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/kgCbr2Os3nA 
  • Connect with Betsy Jordyn: linkedin.com/in/betsy-jordyn
  • Listen to my conversation with Betsy Jordyn on Consulting Matters podcast: The ROI of Elevating Your Strategic Positioning & Messaging
  • Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson 
  • Learn about my Japan Leadership Experience program: kbjanderson.com/JapanTrip 
  • Download my KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 


TIMESTAMPS:

  • 01:00 – The challenge: how lean is misunderstood as process improvement
  • 04:00 – Why “lean” became associated with tools in the West
  • 07:30 – The “paint story”: respect for people in action at Toyota
  • 10:00 – Demystifying jargon like gemba and focusing on “going to see”
  • 12:00 – Creating conditions for frontline problem-solving
  • 15:00 – Respect for people = holding precious what it means to be human
  • 19:00 – Don’t lead with methodology: framing problems leaders care about
  • 22:00 – From tools to transformation: shaping client expectations
  • 24:00 – Linking behavior change to ROI and business results
  • 25:00 – The Katalyst™ model: building influence and communication skills
  • 27:00 – Why executives aren’t always on board—and how to change that
  • 33:00 – Silos among OD, HR, L&D, and lean consultants
  • 36:00 – Building cross-disciplinary partnerships for culture change
  • 41:00 – Positioning tips: language, boundaries, and when to reveal methods
  • 42:00 – Pairing technical expertise with influence for greater impact
  • 46:00 – Trojan-horsing people-centered leadership through process work
  • 48:00 – Quantifying value: behaviors, KPIs, and ROI
  • 54:00 – Wrap-up: The path forward for lean consultants

Register to win a pair of Nick Kemp's books: "Ikigai-Kan" and "Rolefullness" - enter to win by October 10th: http://chainoflearning.com/53

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1 month ago
1 hour

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
53| Rediscover Ikigai: What it Really Means for Your Leadership and Life Purpose [with Nicolas Kemp]

Enter to win a pair of Nicolas Kemp's books: "IKIGAI-KAN: Feel a Life Worth Living" and "Rolefulness: A Guide to Purposeful Living" - Register by October 10th at 11:45pm Pacific and be sure to share your lucky URL to increase your chances of winning: http://chainoflearning.com/53


Ikigai is one of the hottest buzzwords in leadership and personal development. But what does ikigai really mean?


When you think of ikigai, what do you envision? 


Is it the popular Venn diagram that claims to help you find your purpose by identifying “the sweet spot” where what you love, what you’re good at, what the world needs, and what you can be paid for overlap? 


The problem? That’s not ikigai at all. 


And in fact, the very process of putting ikigai into a framework contradicts the authentic meaning of the word.


To dispel what he calls the “ikigai hoax” and uncover its deeper meaning I’m joined by Nicholas Kemp—Japanologist, researcher and author of IKIGAI-KAN: Feel a Life Worth Living and the new book Rolefulness, co-authored with Professor Daiki Kato. 


We explore how ikigai is fundamentally about creating meaning, connection, and a life —and workplace—where people feel life is worth living


It’s about being before doing and cultivating simple joys, authentic relationships, and spaces where people feel safe, valued, and inspired, whatever roles you are playing in your life or at work.


Let’s rediscover ikigai—not as a trendy framework, but as a powerful principle to understanding personal purpose, leadership development, and how to cultivate organizations where every individual can thrive. 


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Why the popular Venn diagram version of ikigai is a myth—and what authentic ikigai really means in Japan
  • Why ikigai is an essential concept for leaders who want to create people-centered workplaces
  • The deeper meaning of kokorozashi and its connection to purpose, intention, and leadership impact
  • What “rolefulness” means and why understanding your roles in life can bring meaning into your relationships and workplace
  • Practical ways to apply ikigai in leadership and daily life to inspire individuals and build thriving teams


ABOUT MY GUEST:

Nicholas Kemp, known as The Ikigai Coach, is a coach trainer, public speaker, consultant, and author of IKIGAI-KAN: Feel a Life Worth Living and Rolefulness. He is the founder and head coach of Ikigai Tribe, a community of educators, psychologists, coaches, and trainers dedicated to serving their communities through the authentic practice of Ikigai. With decades of experience living in Japan and training leaders worldwide, Nick is the trusted voice on how Ikigai can be embodied—not just studied.


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes with links to other podcast episodes and resources: ChainOfLearning.com/53 
  • Check out my website for resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Connect with Nick Kemp: linkedin.com/in/nicholas-kemp 
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Check out Nick Kemp’s Ikigai Tribe website and get his books: https://ikigaitribe.com/
  • Download my free KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Learn more about my Japan Leadership Experience: kbjanderson.com/japantrip 

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:

02:20 What ikigai really means
03:11 The misconception people think ikigai is
04:10 The ikigai hoax of the popular viral Venn diagram
07:04 Why Nick calls himself a Japanologist and his deep understanding of Japanese principles
10:57 The different structures of ikigai to identify relationships, people roles, and hobbies
11:19 What “Kan” means in Ikigai-Kan that makes you feel that life is worth living
13:27 The concept of slowing down into “be” not just “do”
14:35 How to get back to the ikigai essence of life and work
15:00 The meaning of ibasho and that is built on three ideas that make you feel comfortable and have a sense of purpose
17:34 The importance of having a psychologically safe environment where continuous improvement thrives
19:54 What kokorozashi means to align our behaviors with intention
21:20 How Japan uses kokorozashi in their biggest business school
24:01 Breaking down the concept of kokorozashi to put ideas into action
25:38 What inspired Rolefullness to make it an extension of ikigai
29:03 Tips on how to understand your role in your own life whether at work or home
23:23 Three ways to enrich your life
30:22 The importance of meaningful conversations and expressing gratitude
32:26 How to be more roleful to make a change in your business and relationships and fulfill a specific role
36:07 The concept of authenticity to show up as you are with maximum impact
36:58 How to get started in getting more intentional in being your authentic self

38:12 The greatest gift of ikigai and allowing a person to pursue their work role
42:12 Cultivating ikigai, kokorozashi, and shiko to create space where people feel safe, valued, and inspired

43:24 Three simple ways to create ibasho to build a welcome place where people thrive 


Register to win a pair of Nick Kemp's books: "Ikigai-Kan" and "Rolefullness" - enter to win by October 10th: http://chainoflearning.com/53

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1 month ago
45 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
52| What You Love About Lean and Operational Excellence - And Your #1 Frustration: Executive Buy-In

What’s the #1 frustration most lean and continuous improvement practitioners face?

It's something that I bet you've felt too, no matter how passionate you are about the work, no matter what you call it: lean, agile, continuous improvement, operational excellence, or DevOps...

Too often, we struggle to clearly explain what we actually do as CI change leaders and why it matters. And when you can’t articulate the deeper value of lean or OpEx, it’s hard to get the buy-in needed to lead the organizational transformation you envision.


In this episode, I take you inside a qualitative survey of 100+ change leaders—from internal continuous improvement practitioners and leaders, to external consultants and coaches, executives and operations leaders—on what draws us to this field of organizational improvement, what fuels our passion, and what holds us back from the impact we know is possible.


Before listening to this episode, take a moment to reflect on:

  • What lights you up about your work?
  • What’s the top challenge you keep running into?


If you love lean and continuous improvement and are ready to overcome the frustrations holding you and your organization back from real transformation, then this episode is for you.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Three things we love the most about this work as continuous improvement and lean change leaders
  • The #1 frustration holding you back (hint: it’s not about the tools or frameworks)
  • Why a shift from McGregor’s Theory X (command and control) to Theory Y (empowered problem-solving) management mindset is critical to your impact—and why lean efforts fail without it
  • The paradox of trying to influence deeply ingrained management and leadership beliefs and behaviors
  • Three practical ways you can start changing both the story and the system 

IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes with links to other podcast episodes and resources: ChainOfLearning.com/52
  • Check out my website for resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my free KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Hear how Gustavo influenced significant business results after participating in my Japan Leadership Experience: https://youtu.be/I__pukPFHBQ 

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:

03:01 Reflection questions on your own experience as a lean and continuous improvement practitioner
03:53 Top three things that light us up and fuels our passion

03:58 [FIRST] Problem solving that directly impact people’s ability to work meaningfully

04:51 Survey examples of what leaders love about solving problems

06:16 [SECOND] People development and empowerment

07:07 Survey examples of what leaders love about empowering people to solve problems

08:50 [THIRD] Tangible and meaningful impact

09:52 Survey examples of what leaders love about creating meaningful impact for people, organizations, and systems

10:46 Change leader’s frustration: leadership buy-in 

12:57 The deeper truth in what’s stopping us from leading real organizational transformation

13:18 Challenges in changing mindsets and shifting behaviors in an organization

13:42 The meaning of Douglas McGregor’s Theory X and Theory Y and the relationship to lean

16:00 The paradox in changing mindset management and leadership for change leaders

17:12 Three practical tips to shift shift the story and the system

17:18 [FIRST] Acknowledge the size of the challenge

18:07 [SECOND] Speak the language of business

19:07 One of the best examples of how a leader effectively led change through influence 

20:54 [THIRD] Pair technical process improvement skills with influence and human-focused skills

22:54 The consistent themes from the survey of loving this work and wanting to make meaningful impact

23:54 Take the next step in expanding your influence skills

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1 month ago
25 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
51| Elevate Your Impact Beyond Tools: The Problem-Solver’s Toolkit [with Elisabeth Swan and Tracy O'Rouke]

Enter to win a copy of "The Problem Solver's Toolkit" by Tracy O'Rourke and Elisabeth Swan by September 12.

Organizations invest thousands of dollars and countless hours into lean, Six Sigma, and other continuous improvement training programs. Certifications get awarded. Belts get earned.


But nothing actually changes.


Technical problem-solving training alone isn’t enough to drive meaningful impact. Without guidance and support on how to apply problem-solving tools—and the people-side of leading change—improvements stall. 


In this episode of Chain of Learning, I'm joined by Tracy O’Rourke and Elisabeth Swan, co-founders of the Just-in-Time Café and co-authors of "The Problem-Solver’s Toolkit." With more than 50 years of combined Lean Six Sigma experience, they’ve trained and coached thousands of problem-solvers across industries—from healthcare and government to manufacturing and service—helping teams turn knowledge into real results.


Whatever problem-solving method you use—DMAIC, PDCA, or an A3—you’ll walk away with practical insights to help you bridge the gap between knowledge and action.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Why traditional training programs fail to create lasting problem-solving capability—and what to do instead
  • The importance of bringing others along in a change project and staying flexible and curious as the work evolves
  • Why successful and sustainable problem-solving requires both technical know-how and people skills
  • How to engage teams, navigate change, and keep momentum going while leading a process improvement team 
  • How to close the gap between learning and doing by turning skills into real-world results

ABOUT MY GUESTS:


Tracy O’Rourke is a Lean Six Sigma Master Black Belt, and co-founder of the Just-in-Time Café. As a sought-after consultant, instructor, and speaker with over 25 years of experience, Tracy specializes in cultural change, leadership development, strategic alignment, and process improvement. 


Elisabeth Swan is a leadership coach, keynote speaker, award-winning author of “Picture Yourself a Leader”, and co-founder of the Just-in-Time Café. Elisabeth brings decades of experience helping Fortune 100 companies and nonprofits embrace conscious leadership and continuous improvement. 


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/51
  • My website for resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Connect with Tracy O’Rourke: linkedin.com/in/tracy-orourke
  • Connect with Elisabeth Swan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisabethswan
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my free KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Get your copy of the “Problem-Solver’s Toolkit”: www.jitcafe.com/book 
  • My Japan Leadership Experience: kbjanderson.com/japantrip 


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


01:37 The inspiration behind the “Problem Solvers Toolkit” 

02:54 The disconnect between what is education and what leads to retention 

04:22 The aha moments in creating the revised second edition in leading process improvement

05:55 Potholes and detours as a metaphor in process improvements not going the perfect way

06:36 The journey of continuous improvement in taking your team on the journey with you

07:26 Incorporating road games in getting the team involved in problem solving

11:03 What led Tracy and Elisabeth to want to help people in leading process improvement

13:31 The real meaning of being a leader — more than just being a senior executive

16:04 The difference between lean and Six Sigma

18:24 Why the process steps matter more than the name

19:22 Why people feel lean has failed

20:38 Additional learnings in making the second edition of “The Problem-Solver’s Toolkit” 

21:53 Changes made in the second edition including graphics, examples and templates

22:19 What the Just-in-Time Café digital toolkit includes 

25:23 How to solve problems based on solving similar problems

27:19 The 5S Baby spoof music video inspired by process solving tools

29:12 The next spoof song based on root cause analysis

33:16 Elisabeth’s takeaways from the Japan Leadership Experience in seeing worker happiness

34:53 The importance of focusing on human happiness and engagement for growth

36:53 Tracy’s takeaways from the Japan Leadership Experience 

40:00 Top recommendation for being the most effective in getting traction in solving problems

41:41 The importance of building curiosity to get to know people and their experiences

43:34 What is involved in successful problem-solving

44:14 How to close the gap between learning and doing


Enter to win a copy of "The Problem Solver's Toolkit" by Tracy O'Rourke and Elisabeth Swan by September 12.

Apply today for the Japan Leadership Experience — last chance to join the November 2025 cohort. Applications also open for May 2026.

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2 months ago
46 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
50| Change the Culture: NUMMI and the Power of Leading Through Influence, Not Authority [with Isao Yoshino]

Apply for the Nov 2025 (limited spots remaining) or May 2026 Japan Leadership Experience
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 


“Change the culture!”

That’s exactly what longtime Toyota leader Isao Yoshino was tasked with during one of the most famous business transformations in history—NUMMI—Toyota’s joint venture with General Motors in the 1980s.

The challenge? 

Take GM’s worst-performing plant—plagued by absenteeism, low morale, and poor quality—and turn it around.

Within just one year, with the same American workforce but under Toyota’s leadership, NUMMI became GM’s best-performing site.

Behind the scenes was Mr. Yoshino, leading the design and delivery of a three-week training program in Japan for hundreds of NUMMI’s frontline and middle managers.


In this episode, Mr. Yoshino shares the inside story of NUMMI’s transformation—how an experiment in a business turnaround became a “New Me” moment for its leaders—and the leadership lessons you can use to influence culture change without relying on authority.


If you’re a lean practitioner or change leader wondering how to truly “change a culture,” this is a rare chance to hear the story directly from the person who lived it.

You’ll Learn:

  • Why you can’t force culture change—and what to do instead
  • How Mr. Yoshino and his team created  immersive learning experiences that shifted NUMMI leaders’ mindsets in just three weeks
  • Why the “Check” step in PDCA is the secret to Toyota’s sustained success 
  • How the andon process reshaped leaders’ views on problems—and how a “no problem is a problem” and no-blame mindset fosters learning and continuous improvement
  • Why NUMMI’s transformation was as much (or more) about people as it was about performance

ABOUT MY GUEST:


Isao Yoshino, worked at Toyota Motor Corporation for over 40 years—from the late 1960s to the early 2000s—and played an important role in the development of Toyota’s people-centered learning culture it’s now famous for. He was a key part of Kan-Pro senior leadership development program, which embedded A3 thinking as the process for problem-solving, communication, and leadership development across the organization—and has deep expertise in the practice of hoshin-kanri—Toyota’s strategy deployment process. He’s the subject of the Shingo award-winning book “Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn: Lessons from Toyota Leader Isao Yoshino on a Lifetime of Continuous Learning”


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes with links to other podcast episodes and resources: ChainOfLearning.com/50
  • Check out my website for resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my free KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Learn more about the Japan Leadership Experience: kbjanderson.com/japantrip 
  • For an even deeper behind-the-scenes look at NUMMI, read the dedicated chapter in my book: LearningToLeadLeadingToLearn.com 


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:

03:02 How Isao Yoshino felt to be tasked with changing the culture and attitude of NUMMI leaders

04:27 Creating the space for leaders to experience working in Japan and Toyota’s style

09:21 Positive results from employees changing their attitude mindset themselves without being forced

12:06 The importance of “check” in the PDCA process 

14:38 Making the “check” process a positive experience in learning how to improve systems without blame
18:10 The critical difference between the former GM culture and Toyota with their approach to problems
19:12 The mindset shift of “no problem is a problem” and the impact of pulling the andon cord

20:19 The positive results from lettings others learn and grow without force
23:09 Reflections from Isao Yoshino about being part of the Japan Leadership Experience and continuing to learn something new
24:38 The acronym for NUMMI and the deeper meaning of, “New Me” to become the best version of yourself


Apply for the Nov 2025 (limited spots remaining) or May 2026 Japan Leadership Experience
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 

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2 months ago
28 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
49| Shift Your Mindset, Shift Your Impact: 3 Reframes for Positive Leadership

Apply for the Nov 2025 (limited spots remaining) or May 2026 Japan Leadership Experience
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 


When you encounter challenges or setbacks, and it feels like things just aren’t going your way, it’s easy to get caught into a downward negative spiral.  


But could simple mindset shifts change not just how you feel, but how you move forward and influence those around you with positive momentum?


In this episode, I’m sharing three powerful reframes that have helped me reset, regain perspective, and move through challenges with intention and empowerment. 


These reframes aren’t just personal practices—they’re leadership strategies that can help you model resilience, learning, and agency, and inspire the people around you to do the same.


This episode isn’t about blind optimism or sugarcoating hard things. It’s about real, actionable ways to reframe challenges and move forward with greater clarity, strength, and purpose.


Learn the three reframes that have helped me (and the leaders I work with) get back up and lead with heart and intention.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • How to reframe your focus from negative to positive and rise with more clarity and confidence
  • The story behind the motto that inspires me daily –“Today’s a great day” – and how gratitude can ground you in tough moments
  • Why setbacks and failures aren’t the end, but an opportunity to learn your way forward
  • How the Japanese daruma doll became a lesson in resilience—representing the proverb “Fall down seven times, get up eight”
  • How to move from feeling powerless to empowered and why the ball is always in your court


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/49
  • Resources and ways to work with me: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my free KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Read my book featuring lessons from Isao Yoshino’s 40 years of Toyota Leadership: LearningToLeadLeadingToLearn.com 

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


01:56 [1st REFRAME] Find the good—even when it’s hard
02:03 Katie’s dad as the inspiration behind the motto, “Today’s a great day”
04:23 Isao Yoshino’s influence in learning how to shift from negative to positive
07:22 The importance of focusing on the good for improvement
09:23 [2nd REFRAME] Seeing failures and setbacks as learning opportunities
10:17 Why daruma dolls are a reminder of resilience and the Japanese proverb "Fall down seven times, get up eight"
12:04 Questions to maintain a learning mindset
12:33 The learning zone versus the performance zone from Chain of Learning Episode 5 guest Eduardo Bricino
13:37 Reframe exercise to reframe failure to learning opportunity
15:17 [3rd REFRAME] Moving from powerlessness to agency

15:51 Understanding, “The ball is in your court” to help how you respond to negative conditions
17:07 Achieving goals versus fulfilling your intention
18:14 Katie’s previous organizational role and how a reframe launched her consulting practice
20:19 How two executives used coaching and reflection to shift from solving problems themselves to enabling their teams
21:26 Stepping away from frustration and reframing the problem to influence things differently
22:51 Reframe exercise to move from inaction to action
23:33 Summary of the three reframes
25:31 Questions to help shape your day and impact


Apply for the Nov 2025 or May 2026 Japan Leadership Experience
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 

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2 months ago
29 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
48| Make Leadership Meaningful: From Tools to Purposeful Impact [with Josef Procházka]

Apply for the Nov 2025 or May 2026 Japan Leadership Experience
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/
 
You’re implementing the tools.

Making the improvements.

Delivering the project results.


But the same problems keep resurfacing and you’re left wondering: What’s missing?


In this episode, Josef Procházka, a lean consultant from the Czech Republic, shares his personal journey of transformation—from frustrated practitioner to heart-led coach—and the impact his shift in approach to consulting has had for his clients and for himself.


Josef began his career focused on tools, metrics, and deliverables. But something didn’t feel right.


After reading Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn and joining two of my Japan Leadership Experience programs, Josef experienced a transformation of both mind and heart. He found a more meaningful path: one centered on people, purpose, and intentional leadership.


Whether you're an external consultant, internal improvement or operational leader, or simply looking to grow your impact—Josef’s story is a reminder that real change doesn’t come from better systems alone. 


This episode will challenge you to rethink how you show up to lead change, what transformation really requires, and what it means to lead with intention.


YOU’LL LEARN:


  • How Josef shifted from tool-based delivery to people-centered transformation
  • What it looks like to reframe 5S (a workplace organizational practice) into a more meaningful, people-centered practice
  • The mindset change required to stop “doing Lean” for others and start leading change with them
  • Ways personal growth can unlock deeper change for your clients and organizations
  • Why sustainable improvement depends on connecting people and purpose—not just applying tools


ABOUT MY GUEST:


Josef Procházka is a Lean Six Sigma consultant from the Czech Republic with 20+ years of experience helping manufacturing companies improve productivity, streamline processes, and enhance quality through structured problem-solving and project leadership. He specializes in making Lean practices meaningful by translating tools like 5S and A3 into values-driven change that engages people at every level. 


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/48
  • My website for resources and ways to work with me: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my free KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst
  • Apply for the Japan Leadership Experience: kbjanderson.com/japantrip
  • Read my book that played a role in Josef’s leadership transformation: LearningToLeadLeadingToLearn.com


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


03:13
How the Japan Leadership Experiences influenced Josef’s transformation
05:27 The “aha” shifts that helped his transformation
07:59 Why Josef’s approach was not making an impact
11:00 Reframing 5S to meaningful 5S to increase productivity in a client’s workplace
17:30 The importance of bringing meaningfulness to create impact
20:03 The negative effect of short-term focus without a long-term view
22:33 Why Josef decided to come back to the Japan Leadership Experience
25:32 Why Katie is passionate about leading her Japan Leadership Experiences
28:12 The connection leaders feel after the immersive experience in Japan
29:07 Positive transformations from two clients Josef invited to the Japan Leadership Experience
33:29 Importance of continuing to learn and going towards the North star to be a better leader
37:52 Why real leaders practice lean for their team
39:21 Josef’s story on going to the Japan Leadership Experience
44:21 Advice to make a shift towards greater impact
46:21 7 key steps to create real long-term impact


Apply for the Nov 2025 or May 2026 Japan Leadership Experience
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 

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3 months ago
51 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
47| Develop Leaders the Toyota Way: Lessons from Kan-Pro [with Isao Yoshino]

A global economic crisis is dragging down sales.


Departments are working in silos and leaders at all levels are arguing about priorities. 


Managers are too busy to coach their teams.

You might think this describes your organization today—and it was the exact situation Toyota faced nearly 50 years ago.


This challenge sparked one of the most ambitious and influential—and least known outside Japan—leadership development programs in Toyota’s history: the Kanri Nouryoku Program, or Kan-Pro for short. “Kanri” meaning management, and “Nouryoku” meaning capability.


Kan-Pro helped establish the people-centered learning culture Toyota is famous for today and embedded A3 thinking as a foundational process for problem-solving, communication, and leadership development.


I invited Isao Yoshino—a 40-year Toyota leader who was one of the key team members who helped create and lead the program—to share his experience in two pivotal moments in Toyota’s evolution and how he learned to lead cultural leadership transformation from a place of influence, not authority. 


Join me and Mr. Yoshino—also the subject of my Shingo-award winning book Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn — as we celebrate its 5-year anniversary this month!

YOU’LL LEARN:

  • The problem Toyota was trying to solve—and how Kan-Pro emerged as the countermeasure
  • The leadership styles of Masao Nemoto vs. Taiichi Ohno—and how both shaped Toyota’s culture through the development of Toyota Way management culture and the Toyota Production System 
  • How Mr. Yoshino learned to coach and develop more senior executives as a mid-level internal change leader
  • The process that established A3 thinking as the standard for leadership development, communication, and problem-solving across Toyota
  • Critical leadership behaviors that led to Toyota’s success—which have come to be known as “lean management”

Stay tuned for Episode 50 where Mr. Yoshino shares his major assignment to “change the culture”—how he and his team, including Lean Global Network Chairman John Shook, led the training and transformation of frontline American leaders at NUMMI, the GM–Toyota joint venture in the 1980s.


ABOUT MY GUEST:


Isao Yoshino, worked at Toyota Motor Corporation for over 40 years—from the late 1960s to the early 2000s—and played an important role in the development of Toyota’s people-centered learning culture it’s now famous for. He was a key part of Kan-Pro senior leadership development program, which embedded A3 thinking as the process for problem-solving, communication, and leadership development across the organization—and has deep expertise in the practice of hoshin-kanri—Toyota’s strategy deployment process.



IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/47
  • My website with resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my free KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Learn more about the Japan Leadership Experience: kbjanderson.com/japantrip 
  • My book featuring lessons from Isao Yoshino’s 40 years of Toyota Leadership: LearningToLeadLeadingToLearn.com


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


03:51 The leadership shift behind the Toyota Way towards a people centered approach
06:03 How Taiichi Ohno shaped the Toyota Production System and Masao Nemoto shaped Toyota Way style leadership
07:41 Closing Toyota’s leadership gap and how Kan-Pro emerged as a countermeasure
12:41 Why committed top-down leadership ownership is essential to creating organizational culture
14:46 How seriousness and patience sets Toyota apart
15:17 Why Toyota created Kan-Pro to 're-tighten the belt' on leadership capabilities and why they need to refocus on leadership capabilities every generation

18:55 The leader’s role in setting direction and providing support to their people 

20:40 The mindset shift in top management to not to fake it
21:17 Mr. Yoshino’s experience coaching senior leaders through hands-on A3 learning
25:38 Key influence skills Mr. Yoshino learned from great Toyota managers
28:12 The importance of respect by senior leaders even when there’s resistance to change
28:58 Being a Yes-Minded Persuader – a key KATALYST™ Chang Leader competency –  in bringing leaders along in change
31:25 Lessons from coaching senior leaders using A3 thinking during Kan-Pro
35:45
The positive shift when leaders prepare the A3 themselves

37:48 Importance of handwritten A3s to senior executives
41:13 The significance of a leader stamping their hanko on an A3 document
43:35 Why an A3 at Toyota is different compared to most companies
45:16 Mr. Yoshino’s highlights in participating in Katie’s Japan Leadership Experience lean management tours
48:29 Leading change involves empathy, patience, and helping others change themselves
48:50 Questions to reflect on as a change agent in your organization


Apply for the Nov 2025 Japan Leadership Experience
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 

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3 months ago
51 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
46| Lead Change at Scale: Inside GE Aerospace’s Lean Cultural Transformation [with Phil Wickler]

Is it possible to lead a real, long-term cultural transformation in a publicly traded company—where shareholders often demand short-term financial results?


It’s challenging, yet possible. And GE Aerospace, with CEO Larry Culp at the helm, is leading the way. 


I invited Phil Wickler, Chief Transformation Officer, back to discuss the enterprise-wide shift toward lean at GE Aerospace.


We explore what it takes to build a lean management system across a global company of 50,000+ people and how GE Aerospace is embedding problem-solving thinking, leadership behavior, and capability building into every layer of the organization as the strategic approach to getting business results.


Discover the difference between “doing” lean and “being” lean and what it takes to shift from operational leadership and “being the expert” to transformational influence and building capability across the organization.

If you’re an operational leader, internal lean practitioner, external consultant, or if you want to lead change at scale, don’t miss this episode!


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • How to strengthen the positioning of internal change teams and continuous improvement efforts—with and without executive support
  • Why real transformation starts with leadership behaviors—not tools—and the key mindset and behavior shifts needed for lasting impact
  • How GE Aerospace is overcoming GE’s Six Sigma historic approach to improvement and leaders’ long-standing misconceptions about lean 
  • The purpose and elements of GE Aerospace’s proprietary FLIGHT DECK lean operating system and how it’s aligning lean fundamentals and behaviors across the organization
  • Why shifting the ROI conversation on capability-building (not just cost savings) is critical for long-term transformation success


ABOUT MY GUEST:


Phil Wickler is a Chief Transformation Officer at GE Aerospace where he has enterprise responsibility for EHS, Quality, Lean Operations, Sustainability and Transformation. Phil joined GE in 1995. He progressed through several operations roles, including Six Sigma Black Belt in assembly and component manufacturing, and as a facility manager. Then most recently, the Vice President of Supply Chain at GE, leading global manufacturing and supply chain operations.



IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/46
  • Connect with Phil Wickler: linkedin.com/in/philip-wickler
  • Check my website: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Learn more about lessons from Toyota Leader, Isao Yoshino: Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn  


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


01:54 Phil’s career journey to Chief Transformation Officer

04:28 Steps to lead culture change and build a thriving lean enterprise

07:23 Common leadership misconceptions

09:13 Helping leaders go to gemba with humility
12:14 Setting up hoshin kanri up for success

14:25 Importance of reflection for continuous improvement

16:41 Narrowing down objectives vs. working on everything at once

20:18 Moving from an operational leader to a transformational change leader

22:04 How centralized and decentralized lean teams support enterprise culture change

25:15 Integrating communications and HR functions in transformation & talent development

26:18 GE Aerospace’s proprietary lean management system – FLIGHT DECK

28:12 Mindset shifts that shaped Phil’s leadership

31:00 Measuring cultural change through lean and FLIGHT DECK

34:57 Starting with the basics is critical in leading change

37:55 Real-world example of progress at site level

39:21 How to strengthen the positioning of lean/Operational Excellence in your organization

41:55 One element that accelerated GE Aerospace’s transformation

42:31 How to get started/ bring senior leaders on board

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4 months ago
44 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
45| Manage on Purpose: Align Teams, Develop Strategy, Grow People [with Mark Reich]

Enter to win a copy of "Managing on Purpose" by Mark Reich, Chief Engineer of Strategy at the Lean Enterprise Institute (LEI). Giveaway open through June 20th.

How effective is your organization's strategy in achieving results?


If your team doesn't understand how their daily work connects to bigger organizational goals, you don't have a strategy—you have a gap. 


A gap in engagement. 


A gap in alignment. 


This gap leads to confusion, misaligned priorities, and wasted effort.


I’m joined by Mark Reich, author of “Managing on Purpose”, to explore how hoshin kanri – often translated as strategy or policy deployment – can bridge this gap and transform your strategy development and deployment process.


With 23+ years at Toyota and extensive experience guiding organizations through lean transformations, Mark reveals how hoshin kanri offers a different approach to strategy execution and management. It connects people to purpose, builds capability, and aligns cross-functional areas, turning vision into results.


Turn your strategy into action by aligning and building a purpose-driven organization.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Differences between hoshin kanri and traditional strategy management 
  • Common misconceptions around strategy deployment and what sets hoshin kanri apart
  • The role of catchball in connecting top-down and bottom-up processes
  • The importance of building reflection (hansei) and PDCA (Plan-Do-Check-Act) into the process
  • Real-world examples of organizations successfully transitioning to hoshin kanri strategy development and deployment

ABOUT MY GUEST:


Mark Reich is the author of “Managing on Purpose.” He spent 23 years at Toyota, including six years in Japan, seven years at the Toyota Supplier Support Center (TSSC), and over a decade leading Toyota’s North American hoshin kanri process. Today, he’s the Senior Coach and Chief Engineer of Strategy at the Lean Enterprise Institute (LEI), where he guides organizations and their executives on lean transformation.


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/45
  • Connect with Mark Reich: linkedin.com/in/markareich
  • Mark Reich’s book, “Managing on Purpose”: lean.org/store/book/managing-on-purpose
  • Resources and ways to work with me: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my FREE KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Learn more about the history and application of hoshin kanri: Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:

2:05 Hoshin Kanri vs. traditional management approaches to strategy

2:52 Mark defines hoshin kanri

3:49 What people get around around strategy deployment

4:26 Two key differences that sets hoshin kanri apart from traditional strategy

5:16 The problem Mark aimed to solve in “Managing On Purpose”

10:07 Why knowing your true north vision matters

11:34 The complexity of the x-matrix in implementing strategy

15:31 Why catchball is essential to hoshin kanri

20:32 Leading effective catchball conversations

23:07 Vertical vs. horizontal catchball

24:31 Collaborative input in the A3 process

26:17 How leaders can retain perspective for effective catchball conversations

28:30 The PDCA cycle’s critical role in hoshin kanri framework

31:06 Importance of flexibility in leadership

32:19 Distinguishing daily tasks vs. long term tasks for success

34:31 Embedding reflection time in the hoshin process to make PDCA work

37:31 Long-term learning in implementing effective systems

39:48 Using hansei for reflection and prioritization


Enter to win a copy of "Managing on Purpose" by Mark Reich, Chief Engineer of Strategy at the Lean Enterprise Institute (LEI). Giveaway open through June 20th.

Apply today for my next Japan Leadership Experience — learn more and discover the power of this immersive learning experience.

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4 months ago
50 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
44| Master the Coaching Continuum and Become a Transformational Improvement Coach

How many questions is too many?

You know that asking effective questions is key to helping others solve problems and unlocking improvement, but can you ask too many questions?


Yes! And when you do so, you actually hinder progress, not enable it.


In this episode, I share one of the most common mistakes leaders and coaches alike make when learning to Break the Telling Habit® and moving from “telling” to “asking”. 

It's a crucial shift to stop being the expert with all the answers, but when you overpivot to only asking, you can leave the person you’re intending to support feeling frustrated and stuck. 


Coaching for improvement isn’t just about inquiry—it’s about navigating what I call the “Coaching Continuum”—knowing when to provide open support for problem-solving and when to step in with direction.


And importantly, always keeping the problem-solving responsibility with the person you are coaching.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • When and how to switch between directive coaching and open coaching
  • The Coaching Continuum and how to maintain the ownership of problem-solving with the actual problem owner
  • Three key steps to navigate the Coaching Continuum effectively
  • A leader or coach’s role in overseeing the problem-solving process, whether using an A3 report or another improvement method
  • The importance of embracing struggle in the learning process and allowing time for response

Tune in to learn how to navigate this continuum and become a more effective Transformational Improvement Coach!


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes with links to other episodes and resources: ChainOfLearning.com/44
  • Check out my website for resources and ways to work with me KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my FREE KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 
  • Learn more about the role of leader as coach: Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


02:59 Navigating the coaching continuum 

03:59 A brief explanation of the coaching continuum to be a more helpful coach

05:32 The 3 key steps to effectively navigate the coaching continuum

05:43 Step 1: Understand their thinking to know whether open coaching or directive guidance is needed

07:12 Step 2: Get comfortable with struggle

08:26 When to pivot from open coaching to directive coaching

8:37 How to label your actions to clarify your intention

11:01 Step 3: Today’s not the only day, follow up with a coaching process question to encourage learning

11:27 Benefit of asking a process question to understand next steps

13:32 A leader’s role in developing an  A3 report and owning the thinking process not the thinking

15:13 Why coaching and leadership is situational

15:35 Steps to make a plan for effective coaching

15:42 Step 1: Ask a question before immediately jumping in

15:54 Step 2: Give an example how you might approach the problem

16:15 Step 3: The next step to take and what to expect


Apply for the Nov 2025 Japan Leadership Experience - early registration rate now through May 31st! 
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 

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5 months ago
19 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
43| Human-Centered Leadership Using Kata, Obeya, and Omotenashi: Japanese Management Masterclass Part 2 [with Tim Wolput]

What’s the real purpose behind the Japanese practices integral to lean management —like kata, obeya, and A3 reports?


These methods are often misunderstood as mere templates or formats, without recognizing the deeper meaning and intention that drive their impact.


In this episode, we’re picking up on my conversation with Tim Wolput, Japanologist, Toyota Way management expert, and former World Aikido Champion, in Part 2 of this masterclass on Japanese culture and management. 


Tim brings a unique perspective on the connection between martial arts and leadership—exploring how practices like kata, obeya, and omotenashi (the spirit of hospitality) can be applied to transformational leadership in your organization.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • What it means to flip the pyramid, highlighting the difference between servant leadership and traditional top-down leadership
  • What the tea ceremony teaches us in looking beyond transactional thinking
  • The essence of obeya in being more than a space to display information and manage initiatives, but process for people development and collaboration
  • The importance of holding precious what it means to be human in leadership 
  • The concept of “ichigo ichie” and embracing the uniqueness of the present moment

In episode 42, we explored how Samurai and rice farming shaped Japanese leadership and how it differs from Western management. If you missed it, hit pause and listen now before continuing this episode!


ABOUT MY GUEST:

Tim Wolput is a Japanologist and Toyota Way Management expert passionate about helping people transform themselves, their organizations, and the world for the better. Since 2023 Tim has been my in-country partner for my immersive Japan Leadership Experiences. Originally from Belgium, Tim has lived in Japan since 1999 where he attended Tokyo University Graduate School where he studied the history of traditional Japanese mathematics. He is also the 2005 World Champion in Aikido. Tim is a certified Toyota Way Management System instructor and consultant to global organizations on Lean, Agile, and Toyota Production System (TPS).


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/43
  • Listen to Part 1 with Tim Wolput: ChainfOfLearning.com/42
  • Connect with Tim Wolput: linkedin.com/in/timwolput
  • Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Learn about my Japan Leadership Experience program: kbjanderson.com/JapanTrip


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


01:54
The meaning and practice of Aikido and lessons for leadership and lean management

06:20 What it means to flip the organizational pyramid and how it relates to supportive and servant leadership

09:37 Importance of kata in Japanese culture 

17:24 The ritual of the tea ceremony and how it relates to business and customer service

21:05 Disadvantages of replacing humans with machines to get things done

22:40 The concept of obeya, visual management, and people development

25:30 The importance of being people focused rather than tools and processes to reach goals

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5 months ago
32 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
42| Do the Right Thing: Japanese Management Masterclass Part 1 [with Tim Wolput]

Apply for the Nov 2025 Japan Leadership Experience - early registration rate now through May 31st! 
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 

How much of the Toyota Way is dependent on Japanese culture?


And how much of it all comes down to… being human?


There are questions I’ve explored with 130+ global leaders who’ve joined my Japan Leadership Experience programs. 

To help you answer this question, I’ve invited Tim Wolput – Japanologist and Toyota Way Management expert, to Chain of Learning.


Together, we take a deep (and fun!) dive into the differences between classical Japanese and Western management and explore the cultural and historical roots of real lean leadership.

In this episode, we travel through Japanese history—from Confucius’ teachings to samurai and rice farming traditions, and Deming’s influence on Japanese management. 


If you’ve ever wanted a masterclass on Japanese management and Toyota Way principles—and how you can apply these lessons to create a culture of excellence—these two episodes are a must-listen.

YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Misconceptions about the Toyota Way management practices and applying the principles across cultures
  • Deming’s influence on Japan and the development of the Toyota Production System and Toyota Way
  • The way of the samurai: Focus on the process, not just the outcome
  • Shu-ha-ri: The process towards mastery and turning knowledge into wisdom by learning through doing 
  • The power of leading through influence and “doing the right thing”: true leadership inspires growth, not just results

Subscribe so you don’t miss Part 2, where we continue along this path of learning to explore the nuances of Japanese concepts like kata and obeya and their relationship to lean management practices today.


ABOUT MY GUEST:


Tim Wolput is a Japanologist and Toyota Way Management expert passionate about helping people transform themselves, their organizations, and the world for the better. Since 2023 Tim has been my in-country partner for my immersive Japan Leadership Experiences. Originally from Belgium, Tim has lived in Japan since 1999 where he attended Tokyo University Graduate School and studied traditional Japanese mathematics. Tim is a certified Toyota Way Management System instructor and consultant to global organizations on Lean, Agile, and Toyota Production System (TPS).


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/42
  • Connect with Tim Wolput: linkedin.com/in/timwolput
  • Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson 
  • Learn about my Japan Leadership Experience program: kbjanderson.com/JapanTrip 


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


03:53
Biggest misconceptions about Toyota Way management practices
05:10 Katie’s perspective Japan versus the west
08:46 The meaning of Shu Ha Ri and the traditional way of learning
10:23 Deming’s influence on Japan and The Toyota Way
13:05 Why Japan embraced PDCA
15:45 Difference in mindset between Asia and the west

17:28 The working culture in Japan and how work together in the community
22:17 Power of the supplier relationship
23:40 Japanese leadership style
29:15 Concept of doing the right thing

30:56 How to focus on processes as the way to get results

34:13 Powerful words of wisdom about the way of the samurai


Apply for the Nov 2025 Japan Leadership Experience - early registration rate now through May 31st! 
https://kbjanderson.com/japantrip/ 

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6 months ago
45 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
41| Transactions to Transformations: Positioning for Greater Influence [with Betsy Jordyn]

You’re doing great work….yet you know you could have a greater influence.

You have a vision for more. More strategic work. More influence.

Only question—how do you get there?

The issue isn’t your talent or skills. It’s how you are positioned—how your clients or organization see (and value) your role.

In this episode, I’m joined by Betsy Jordyn—former Disney OD consultant turned brand positioning strategist—to help you reshape how others perceive your value and become the one leaders turn to when it comes to making significant changes to their leadership and culture.

Besty shares actionable ways to communicate your value so you can land the roles and work you truly deserve. And we both share insights we've learned from evolving the framing of our own positioning over time.

Whether you’re an internal change leader tired of being stuck in execution mode or a consultant struggling to land strategic engagements, this conversation is your road map to stop playing small.

YOU’LL LEARN:

  • What positioning actually is—and why it matters
  • How to spot the signs your positioning isn’t landing the way you want
  • The 3 levels of positioning every leader and consultant should master
  • Real examples from our own careers on how we’ve evolved our positioning
  • A simple process to clearly articulate your value and stand out in your market

ABOUT MY GUEST:

Betsy Jordyn is a Brand Positioning Strategist who helps consultants and coaches clarify their message, amplify their influence, and monetize their strengths. Drawing on her experience as a former Disney OD consultant and leader of an external practice serving brands like Wyndham and AAA, she empowers clients to make a bigger impact through authentic thought leadership.


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/41
  • Watch the Bonus Video – Elevate Your Positioning to Lead Transformational Change: https://youtu.be/O0W9dq3jYnw 
  • Connect with Betsy Jordyn: linkedin.com/in/betsy-jordyn
  • Betsy’s Meeting Discovery Script: betsyjordyn.com
  • Betsy’s Podcast, Consulting Matters: betsyjordyn.com/podcasts/consulting-matters
  • My website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • My Japan Leadership Experience program: kbjanderson.com/JapanTrip
  • FREE KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:

03:26 What positioning is and why it matters

06:48 Why your brand is your reputation
07:54 Signs your brand positioning is off

10:38 Betsy’s personal story in understanding the importance of positioning

18:28 How Betsy helped Katie improve her positioning

25:37 Changing the name from Japan Study Trip to Japan Leadership Experience

28:42 Clarity - the highest level of positioning
32:25 Second level of positioning that happens a client approaches you with a request
35:25 How to clarify the strategic frame and position yourself against that

42:15 Third level of positioning in positioning yourself as a strategic partner

46:12 How to position yourself when working with a new client
48:44 The opportunity of stepping out of the box and become a thinking partner
50:06 One key learning to reposition your own work

54:07 The strategic framework to pivot your messaging

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6 months ago
1 hour

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
40| Escape the Doer Trap: 3 Simple Shifts to Instantly Get Unstuck

Do you ever feel overwhelmed that you are responsible for doing too much?


Maybe you’re frustrated that your team relies on you for answers instead of developing their own solutions.


Or you’re disappointed that improvements fall apart as soon as you step away.


The problem: You’re likely stuck in the Doer Trap—and it’s holding you (and your team) back from the results you want. 


The good news? There’s a way out.


In this episode, I dive into three simple shifts that will instantly help you break free from the Doer Trap and into true transformational leadership.


Your power and influence doesn’t come from doing it all.


Whether you are an executive manager, internal change leader, or lean consultant, your ability to create lasting impact lies in knowing the outcomes you want and your role in getting there.


Are you ready to break free from the Doer Trap and lead with real impact? 


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • What the Doer Trap is—and why it’s so easy to fall into
  • 5 Doer Trap roles (and which ones you might be stuck in)
  • 3 simple shifts to instantly break free of the Doer Trap and make immediate impact
  • How to gain clarity on your role and step into true leadership by modeling the way
  • A simple way to frame a contracting conversation to clarify roles and expectations


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes with links to other podcast episodes and resources: ChainOfLearning.com/40
  • Check out my website for resources and to learn more about my trusted advisor, coaching, and learning experiences KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson
  • Download my FREE KATALYST™ Change Leader Self-Assessment: KBJAnderson.com/katalyst 


TIMSTAMPS:
03:14 What the doer trap is—and why we fall into it

04:55 Mode 1: The Hero – Not everything needs your rescue

05:48 Mode 2: The Rescuer – Why you need to let others struggle

06:52 Mode 3: The Magician – Doing it all behind the scenes
07:43 Mode 4: Pair of Hands – When you default to doing

09:53 3 simple shifts to break free from the trap
10:06 Shift 1: Clarity – Know your role and who owns what
14:14 Why so many operational leaders feel overwhelmed
15:12 The power of a purposeful pause
17:10 Shift 2: Contracting – Align on roles and expectations

23:03 How to frame a clear contracting conversation
27:58 Shift 3: Model the way and label your intent
28:19 Two ways to reflect and invite real feedback
31:49 A real-life example of how one leader found freedom
33:42 Questions to reflect if you’re falling into one of the doer traps

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7 months ago
37 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
39| Doing More Isn’t the Answer: Why Simple Wins [with Lisa Bodell]

Enter to win a copy of Lisa Bodell's book "Why Simple Wins" ... and Apply for the Nov 2025 Japan Leadership Experience - super early registration rate now through March 31st! 

Ever feel like your to-do list never ends? 


Running from meeting to meeting with no time to think—let alone lead or create? 


You’re not alone.


The problem isn’t you – that you’re not working hard enough. 


You’re probably stuck in the complexity trap—buried in endless demands, inefficiencies, and busywork that keep you (and your team) from doing what truly matters.


To help you simplify and focus on meaningful work, I sat down with Lisa Bodell, CEO of FutureThink and bestselling author of Why Simple Wins and Kill the Company. 


Lisa has a clear message:

💡 The problem isn’t the people—it’s the process of the work.

In this episode, we dive into the biggest barriers to your effectiveness—what you can do to cut through the noise and create space for work that actually matters. If you’re ready to escape the complexity trap and start simplifying to make a real impact, this episode is a must-listen.

YOU’LL LEARN:

  • How meetings and emails are blocking real improvement
  • What defines truly meaningful work—including time to think
  • The connection between innovation and simplification—and how to stay ahead of the curve
  • The biggest mistakes that make simplification harder (and how to avoid them)
  • The first step to simplifying your work and life


ABOUT MY GUEST:


Lisa Bodell, CEO of FutureThink and bestselling author of Kill the Company and Why Simple Wins, inspires leaders to transform work to unlock true potential and find deeper fulfillment. With her bold, no-nonsense approach to simplification, Lisa delivers radical insights and actionable tools to fuel extraordinary success.

IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/39
  • Connect with Lisa Bodell: linkedin.com/in/lisa-bodell-futurethink
  • Read more about Lisa and her company, FutureThink: futurethink.com 
  • Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


02:09 Why leaders feel overwhelmed—and how to fix it

03:51 The illusion of control and why organizing isn’t the same as simplifying

04:28 Why doing less can make you more valuable
05:09 The daring act of simplifying and not adding to our workload
07:26 The cost of valuing others’ time more than your own
08:27 Reframing your mindset of deep thinking time
09:31 Why we don’t do our best thinking at work
09:45 Two ways to start simplifying a chaotic workday

11:36 Why meetings with no agenda can be a time waster
12:43 How to shift your day so you’re not constantly checking emails
14:03 The definition of meaningful work
17:02 The link between innovation and simplification
18:08 3 Common pitfalls to successfully simplifying one’s work
21:19 Why one of the biggest barriers in transformation is leadership
24:08 Simplicity as it relates to tools, training, and messaging
24:45 How to apply the tool: Kill a stupid rule
28:55 Contributing meaningfully and effectively to improve your value
29:20 The future of work and how to improve work and life
32:14 The best place to start to start simplifying your life


Enter to win a copy of Lisa Bodell's book "Why Simple Wins" ... and Apply for the Nov 2025 Japan Leadership Experience - super early registration rate now through March 31st! 

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7 months ago
38 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
38| What’s the Future of Lean? Advice for Lean Change Leaders [with James Womack]

What have we really learned after four decades of lean? 


Is lean thinking and management still relevant today?

And importantly — what needs to change to ensure the future success of lean transformation?


In the previous episode, I sat down with James Womack, founder of the Lean Enterprise Institute, to look back on 40 years of lean thinking and management since the publication of The Machine That Changed the World. 

In this episode, we look ahead to the future of lean and dig into big questions, including those submitted by listeners:

  • Is there a better term than “lean”? 
  • What would Jim do differently if he could reintroduce lean to the world?
  • How do AI and new technologies fit with the application of lean principles?
  • What’s Jim’s greatest surprise over the past 45 years?

Jim doesn’t hold back in this discussion  — and provides his advice as he passes the baton to the next generation of lean leaders. 


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Why lean principles still apply even as technology evolves and takes over tasks once done by people
  • What’s stopping organizations from fully embracing lean principles and practices
  • Why lean must be leader-led—not outsourced to consultants or internal operational excellence teams 
  • How developing people’s capabilities for problem-solving at all levels is critical to success
  • The true role and purpose of management

If you are passionate about the potential of lean’s impact now and in the future, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. 


ABOUT MY GUEST:


James P. Womack, PhD, is the former research director of MIT’s International Motor Vehicle Program who led the team that coined the term “lean production” to describe the Toyota Production System. Along with Daniel Jones, he co-authored “The Machine That Changed the World”, “Lean Thinking”, and “Lean Solutions”. Jim is the founder of Lean Enterprise Institute where he continues to serve as a senior advisor. 


IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/38
  • Listen to Part 1 where lean has failed and succeeded: ChainOfLearning.com/37
  • Connect with James Womack: linkedin.com/in/womack-james-52763b212
  • Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson 
  • Learn about my Japan Study Trip program: kbjanderson.com/JapanTrip 


TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE:


01:48 Two things Jim would do differently in introducing lean 

03:92 Why consultant-driven Kaizen falls short

05:29 The origin of the word “lean”

08:29 The alternative label instead of the term "lean"
10:26 How lean intersects with emerging and established technologies
14:43 Analyzing AI’s effectiveness through the value stream
16:02 Jim’s greatest surprise of the 40 + years of lean

19:10 Changes at Toyota’s Operations Management Development Division
22:27 Why problem-solving skills matter at every level
23:34 Jim’s parting advice for the next generation of lean leaders

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8 months ago
30 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
37| Lean Has Failed (or Has It?): Reflections on 40 Years of Lean Transformation [with James Womack]

“Lean has failed.”


That’s the bold statement James Womack—founder of the Lean Enterprise Institute and MIT researcher whose team introduced the term “lean” to the world—made at a conference where we both recently spoke.


That really stuck with me.


Has lean really failed? 


If so, what can we do to course correct?


To explore this, I invited him to share his reflections and experiences over the past 40 years—where his vision for lean management has fallen short, where it’s succeeded, and what we can learn for the future.


In this episode, we take a hard look at lean’s evolution, from James’ original vision following the publication of “The Machine that Changed the World” nearly four decades ago to its real-world impact today.


Tune in for powerful stories and insights from one of the founders of the lean movement, a chance to rethink what’s next for lean leadership, and how you can adjust your approach towards organizational transformation.


YOU’LL LEARN:

  • The 5 critical interlocking elements of successful lean enterprise transformations — and what’s missing
  • How to build systems and practices to sustain a lean culture that truly supports frontline teams
  • Why most companies get their approach to operational excellence backwards and the challenge of getting leaders to see lean principles as the key to getting results
  • Why off-shoring and out-sourcing aren’t long-term solutions
  • The biggest challenges leaders face with lean transformation

Don't miss Part 2 of this conversation where we explore lean’s future, its relevance for today’s global lean community, and James’ advice for the next generation of leaders.


ABOUT MY GUEST:


James P. Womack, PhD, is the former research director of MIT’s International Motor Vehicle Program who led the team that coined the term “lean production” to describe the Toyota Production System. Along with Daniel Jones, he co-authored “The Machine That Changed the World”, “Lean Thinking”, and “Lean Solutions”. James is the founder of Lean Enterprise Institute where he continues to serve as a senior advisor.

IMPORTANT LINKS:

  • Full episode show notes: ChainOfLearning.com/37
  • Connect with James Womack: linkedin.com/in/womack-james-52763b212
  • Check out my website for resources and working together: KBJAnderson.com
  • Follow me on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson 

TIMESTAMPS FOR THIS EPISODE: 


02:41 James’ vision of what lean’s impact would be today

07:25 Five interlocking pieces of lean transformation and what’s been missed

07:49 Misconception of Kaizen

14:27 Challenges in sustaining lean practices

19:00 Lean leadership if implemented the right way

21:58 Impact of offshoring and outsourcing

24:29 Barriers to senior management buy-in

26:42 Challenges in the frontline healthcare system

30:27 The importance of daily management and Kaizen

37:46 Contributions to GE Appliance’s success

39:28 The meaning of constancy of purpose

41:04 Importance of knowing your north star

41:55 The creation of Hoshin planning and why it fails the first year

43:54 How we get out of the short-term approach


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8 months ago
52 minutes

Chain of Learning: Empowering Continuous Improvement and Lean Change Leaders
You’re a leader who knows that people are at the center of an exceptional organizational culture. You're excited to activate a culture of continuous learning – where everyone is capable, confident, and empowered to solve problems and innovate at all levels. This podcast is all about inspiring and equipping you to do that – through the power of learning and leading. Chain of Learning® is where the links of leadership and learning unite. Join your host, Katie Anderson, internationally recognized leadership consultant, award-winning author of “Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn”, and fellow learning enthusiast, for a journey that will help you master the skills to lead your organization from a traditional culture of “doing” into a vibrant, high-performing organization of continuous learning. Chain of Learning® is the trusted source for purpose-driven leaders and continuous improvement, lean, and agile practitioners seeking positive inspiration, innovative ideas, proven best practices, and actionable strategies to lead transformational change. Tune into each episode to gain the knowledge and skills you need to build a thriving people-centered learning culture, achieve needed business results, and expand your impact, so that you – and your team – can leave a lasting legacy. Subscribe and follow Chain of Learning® today so you never miss an episode! Share this podcast with your friends, fellow leaders, and colleagues, and let’s strengthen our Chain of Learning® – together. Podcast website: ChainOfLearning.com Katie Anderson’s website: KBJAnderson.com Connect with Katie Anderson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kbjanderson/ Read Katie's book: LearningToLeadLeadingToLearn.com