Jim-E Stack the producer of Bon Iver’s 2025 record SABLE, fABLE among many other projects. We talk about how they made the record, Justin Vernon’s patient creativity, playing drums in San Francisco, remixing songs in the blogging glory days, the novelty of this record’s EP/LP track listing, working with Lorde, playing with LEGOS, Vernon on the mixing board, whether they discussed this as the last Bon record, and a little bit about the King of the Hill reboot.
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Alex Robert Ross is a writer and editor based in Toronto. He wrote the Pitchfork review for SABLE, fABLE and for many years served as Editorial Director of The FADER.
We talk about how most Bon Iver articles start in the cabin, reviewing the new record, Pitchfork and Bon Iver over the years, “the best album Genesis never made,” releasing the Sable EP last fall, S P E Y S I D E, playing with expectations, “January ain’t the whole world,” pressing the bruise, climbing up a tree, Danielle Haim, a Bright Eyes and Bon Iver comparison, authenticity, pedal steel, funk, is this record an end point?, “There’s a Rhythm,” I’ll go put the Paaaaathfinder on waltz, memorable moments on Bon Iver songs, Mk.gee/Dijon, screen time, soccer, baseball, and Sorry—his new magazine about Toronto.
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Alex: @alexrobertross
https://www.alexrobertross.com/
https://nocommentary.substack.com/
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/bon-iver-sable-fable/
Justin: @routinelayup
Chris Messina co-produced the Bon Iver records 22, a Million and I,i, among dozens more by other artists. This is a bonus of sorts before we finish up at SABLE, fABLE.
Chris and I casually talk about records made on unconventional instruments, exaggerated narratives around 22, a Million, turning April Base into a proper studio, living in Eau Claire for nine years, using gear incorrectly, adapting these kinds of songs live, big-ass headphones, finishing a record in Texas, a quick pop-punk diversion, and more.
Avery Adams is a producer, musician, and chef, and Kevin W. Smith is a writer and radio host. We talk about Bon Iver’s fourth album, I,i (Jagjaguar), released on August 9, 2019, an 8.8 Best New Music on Pitchfork. Also: Music writing circa 2007, For Emma vinyl sales, Vernon's non-falsetto register, Naeem drums, sliding on cardboard, no click, Texas, Hornsby, Beck, this album's got moments, “Hey, Ma,” bass lines, an Aaron Rogers/Justin Vernon interview circa 2019, The Bee Gees, where this album stands against the discography, Radiohead, Animal Collective, Of Montreal, and indulging creative impulses.
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AVERY
matiakitchen.com
instagram.com/rarebirdcommittee/
instagram.com/realfreaque/
https://www.instagram.com/nautilusenclave/
KEVIN
https://kmre.org/island-time/
https://keviniswriting.com/
Ian Grant is the host of the Jokermen podcast. We discuss Bon Iver's 2016 record 22, a Million (Jagjaguar). After dipping into the 9.0 Pitchfork review, we talk about a For Emma sunrise show at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, having his mind blown by this record in impact (and me ignoring it) in 2016, that year's prez election, the OP-1 synth, “It might be over soon,” Kanye briefly, Stevie Nicks singing “Wild Heart," listening Radiohead and Bon Iver while flying, “Staying at the Ace Hotel,” don’t trust Spot*fy lyrics, “the days have no numbers,” saying these song titles out loud, Taylor in C0vid, and Jokermen's Beach Boys journey.
Me:
bsky.app/profile/routinelayup.bsky.social
Ian:
Mark Richardson is former Editor in Chief at Pitchfork and current Rock and Pop Critic at the Wall Street Journal. We talk about the 2011 album Bon Iver, Bon Iver, for which Mark wrote the Pitchfork review (9.5). We talk about the anticipation around this record, fusing adult-contemporary and the avant-garde, Animal Collective, Bonnie Raitt, 80s R&B, sincerity vs. irony, is this “sad” music?, a careful use of arrangement and dynamics, Heath Ledger, Shakespearian verse, “Holocene,” the albums’ sequencing, the midwestern-ness of it all, Kanye West, commas in the album titles, Rubber Soul/Revolver, we bow down to “Beth/Rest,” a bit of SABLE, fABLE, and Mark tells a story about how this record could have gotten a 10.
Me:
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Mark:
Chris DeVille is Managing Editor at Stereogum and author of the book Such Great Heights, available for preorder now. We talk about the 2007 Bon Iver debut album, For Emma, Forever Ago. Also going cabin-mode in the Wisconsin winter, this album's lore, the indie landscape in '08, Pitchfork kingmaking, The OC, Garden State, Popt*mism, gentrifying indie music, hearing "Skinny Love" at my bad recession-era office job, "Flume" as a thesis, stacking falsetto harmonies, the lyrics, staring out windows at crows, Sable, bass-fishing boats, "Re: Stacks" and final tracks, cooking with minimal ingredients, Blood Bank EP, the pursuit of hipness and the evolution of indie rock. Order Chris's book.
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Justin: x.com/routinelayup / routinelayup.bsky.social
Season 4 of After the Deluge will go album by album through the Bon Iver discography with a new guest on each episode, starting in the cabin with For Emma, Forever Ago and going in all kinds of directions from there. Subscribe an tell a friend.
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Michele Catalano has posted prolifically about music on the internet for years. She’s 62 years old and recently launched ihavethatonvinyl.com. We talk seeking out new music as we age, classic rock, new wave, 2015 was a bad music year for her, she bought her new website’s domain in 2004 and forgot she had it, writing about her record collection, Songs for the Deaf, Brand New, Covid collecting, any regretful purges of records?, we’re bullish on CDs, Aztec Camera, her favorite Beatles album, a diabolical record-organizing system, Kevin Devine, the best music years of our lives, The Doors, is Eric Clapton about to have a moment?, Yacht Rock, the Weezer discography, deactivating her Twitter, humans sharing music with humans, and what she has in store for the site: ihavethatonvinyl.com/
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Longmont Potion Castle is a beloved recording artist and anonymous prank caller from Colorado. Interview starts at 11 mins. We talk about touring-band soundtracks, flipwild, deep and uncontrollable laughter, bruschotti, piglets, “After the Deluge” by Sodom, his daily conversation style, the Longmont documentary, whether his calls are mean-spirited, squid sandwiches, Otis, he’s not a comedian, a complete Darwinian society, his funky relationship with language, a feral bodybuilder, looping effects, his childhood court-ordered therapy, calling celebrities like Alex Tr*beck, LPC III, music industry evolution/devolution, Spot*fy, what are nü metal DJs doing when they scratch those records?, monetizing weird stuff, new Longmont incoming, we call my friend Matthew, Squid on my Side, Yucatan Suckerman, and the hottest new fusion band out of Colorado.
Thanks to Travis and Tony for joining me for the intro. We recorded this the day before LA caught fire and we send all of our best to the city.
LONGMONT
JUSTIN
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Dylan Tupper Rupert is the host of the podcast series, Groupies. It's the latest season of KCRW's Lost Notes. She's also Producer Emeritus for Bandsplain. We talk about birth control, the dawn of punk, a scandalous take on Cosmo in 1971, making a show about sexual relationships between rock stars and teens, that Cormac McCarthy Vanity Fair story, the vampiric energy of Jimmy Page, Pamela Des Barres, Dee Dee Keel, empowerment vs. exploitation, the mid-2000s Seattle scene, The Vera Project, The Lashes, her feelings about LA, Blood Brothers, throwing a music fest on Orcas Island, and the Jackson Browne For Everyman house. Groupies is live now on your podcast app.
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Jason Stewart is co-host of the podcast How Long Gone. We talk about foreplay in interviewing, lightweight counter-programming when everything's political, Ep. 50 with Willy Staley, listening to podcasts is Gen Z meditation, early Adam Carolla, The Mount Rushmore of Glendale Podcasters, not asking bands about their music, How Long Gone’s marketing strategy, the Snail Mail episode, Guns & Roses bassist Duff McKagan spiked his interview, comedians who talk like your high school friends, the current state of Twitter, Jason’s favorite nut, and roasting a chicken atop a bed of thick sourdough slices. (The episode descriptions for the show are a direct rip off of How Long Gone).
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Today it's a short one about a couple of quintessential Jackson Browne songs. My guest is Patrick Lyons and the impetus for this episode is these two recent articles about the songs "These Days" and "The Pretender." Patrick wrote the latter, and both articles are great.
The Song That Connects Jackson Browne, Nico and Margot Tenenbaum, by Bob Mehr (NYT)
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/12/arts/music/jackson-browne-these-days-nico.html
"The Pretender," by Patrick Lyons (Inbox-Infinity)
https://www.inbox-infinity.com/the-all-timers-6-jackson-brownes-the-pretender/
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This is a conversation about the 2024 Bright Eyes record Five Dice, All Threes. My guest is Justin Corwin and we discuss The National, Elon Musk in virgin whites, Cat Power, the Alex Orange Drink discourse, Bright Eyes and friendship, Mogis/Nate Walcott, Down in the Weeds, movie-dialogue motif, actually Scorsese is good and Frank Sinatra sucks, Phoebe Bridgers, Real Feel 105, Stevie Nicks singing “Silver Springs,” Conor Oberst live-show discourse, “Tin Soldier Boy” makes me want to run through a wall (positive), The Fader reporter showing Conor negative Reddit threads lol, a very titillating question about 311, and we predict the Pitchfork score.
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Alex plays in The So So Glos and was a formative influence on the new Bright Eyes record, Five Dice, All Threes — out Sept 20th. We talk about Waxahatchee, islands in the PNW, why his body can’t break down protein, his cancer diagnosis, living as if you’re dying, crashing at Conor Oberst's house in LA, casually writing new Bright Eyes songs, a stripped-down record, phone calls between Alex and Conor during treatment, The So So Glos reunion, what the album title means, his tricked-out In-N-Out order, The Eras Tour, Alex weighs in on 311, “I’m not slowing down, I’m speeding up,” Mike Mogis + Nate Walcott, the case for ignoring your problems, and he gives a glimpse at the intro track on Five Dice, All Threes...
Pieter Pastoor is the host of Listening Lyrics, a weekly radio show on KDRTfm in Davis, CA. Pieter is 79 years old and he puts out a radio show every week. The first podcast-adjacent thing I ever did was go on his show a decade ago. Fun one for me.
We talk about his failed attempt to interview poets in the “late 1900s,” open mic nights, recording live and not overthinking it, interviewing locals > interviewing pros, KDRT, Rita Hosking, don’t be lame just make stuff, biking across Holland, Jackson Browne (ding ding), The Lovin’ Spoonful, Bright Eyes’ “We are Nowhere and it’s Now,” Paul Simon’s “Graceland,” Pieter reads a poem, Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan’s “Tempest,” Herb Alpert, The Avett Brothers, and: what was the best five-year stretch of your life?
Daniel Ralston is the writer and producer of the podcast series The True Story of the Fake Zombies, available everywhere. We talk about “Time of the Season” blowing up without The Zombies knowing about it, Rolling Stone's Ben Fong Torres, Buzzfeed’s longform era, turning an article into a podcast, ? & the Mysterians, the ZZ Top of it all, small-town history museums, Huell Howser, 70s artists that popped off in the 80s, Jason Molina, British psych and Texas blues, Justin absolutely flubs a new podcast “segment,” Malibu real-estate scene report, Kanye’s Ando house, Daniel’s old neighbors (Axl Rose and a guy named “Rattlesnake”) and the current state of the The Zombies.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-the-true-story-of-the-fak-186899838/
Steven Hyden is a writer and podcaster whose new book, There Was Nothing You Could Do, is out now. We talk about the Patio Hall of Fame, why he’s a terrible DJ, vinyl is for suckers, music hits different on the patio, Skynyrd vs. Neil Young, Steve picks the most patio-friendly Radiohead and Pearl Jam records, how he writes so damn much, small-town newspapers, a Mr. Miyagi analogy we can all learn from, “liking Nebraska but not Bruce Springsteen” is a whole type of guy (aka me), Jackson Browne (mark your Bingo card), LA vs. NY mindset, are politicians still playing Born in the USA?, early 90s vs late 90s, Shania Twain, heartland rock, and is Sublime good or do they stink?
Miranda Reinert is a writer, podcaster and zine maker. We talk about making a full-on magazine, Jimmy Montague/Taking Meds, getting ideas out of your head and into the world, The End of Merch?, your double-knee Carhartts are a social signifier, creating something that lasts, tangibility, Grace Robins-Somerville on Hole’s Live Through This, what are you communicating when you post your Last.fm 4x4s and 5x5s?, Miranda’s favorite hockey team, we debut a new segment, The New York Rangers are cringe, The Tampa Bay sports teams can’t fill their stadiums and neither can The Black Keys, we ideate on a Cruise Concert that would kill, and a peek inside of Portable Model, Issue One.
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Do artists get worse with age or can they get more interesting? Behold the Jokermen Mindset.
Ian and Evan of the Jokermen podcast and I talk about approaching music with an empty head, Dylan’s Philosophy of Modern Song, when artists DO just get shittier with age, Albini & Steely Dan, what song would a group of Canadian bachelor party bros sing together over a cliffside?, “mid TV” and boring art, Hackney Diamonds, Steven Hyden, Fountain of Sorrow, Gawker, and the Jackson Browne/Warren Zevon bond. The current season of Jokermen is about The Beach Boys. It's beautiful, go listen.
