Retrenched. Replaced. Redundant.
What’s really happening in today’s job market?
If you’ve ever wondered:
👉 What happens when you’re being “managed out”?
👉 What’s the difference between retrenchment and redundancy?
👉 Or whether AI could actually replace you…
Then this episode is your wake-up call. ⚡
🎙️ Member of Parliament Patrick Tay joins Shulin Lee for a straight-talking conversation on:
✅ The hard truths behind retrenchment in Singapore
✅ What the Employment Act really covers (and doesn’t)
✅ How employers can handle exits with empathy
✅ Why unions and collective agreements still matter
✅ And how employees can stay relevant in a soft market
Patrick also breaks down what’s changing in our labour laws and how AI is rewriting the future of work.
Because here’s the truth:
No one’s job is 100% safe.
But those who understand the system… stay ahead of it.
🎧 Watch the full episode and tell us your biggest takeaway in the comments.
💬 Let’s talk about what job security really means in 2025.
#AfterTheBar #FutureOfWork #Retrenchment
Follow Patrick Tay:https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-tay-teck-guan-9880479
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast → https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
Resources:
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
01:11 Introduction
01:35 What Are Your Rights When Being "Managed Out"?
03:46 Retrenchment vs. Managing Out: Understanding the Difference
05:19 The Singapore Employment Act
06:43 The Role of Unions and Collective Agreements
10:23 How to Script a Retrenchment Conversation with Empathy
13:19 Early Notification and Supporting Employees
15:27 Mutual Separation Agreements
19:52 Cultivating Healthy Work Environment After Retrenchments
21:05 "Get Fired With Me" Trend
23:06 Advice for Business Owners Amidst Rising Costs
28:26 What Can Individuals Do When They Struggle to Find a Job?
35:31 The Importance of Managing Career Expectations
37:51 Why You Need a "Second Skill" to Stay Relevant
40:40 Counselling and Mentoring Services for Job Seekers
42:47 Upcoming Changes to the Singapore Employment Act
49:27 Are Freelancers Covered by the Employment Act?
53:06 The Real Impact of AI on the Job Market
58:37 What Should I Do When I’m Wrongfully Dismissed
01:06:01 Final Advice: The Three R's to Navigate Change
01:07:01 Rapid Fire Questions
01:09:34 Outro
Is Singapore going extinct?
Should we scrap the PSLE?
Will flexible work ever be a reality?
Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office and Leader of the House, Indranee Rajah, joins Shulin Lee for a bold, no-nonsense conversation on the biggest challenges shaping Singapore today.
Just to name a few - education reform, workplace policies, women in leadership, and the generational shifts redefining success.
🔥 Indranee doesn’t hold back. And for the first time, she reveals how her mother’s influence shaped the unstoppable mindset that drives her today.
This isn’t just another leadership talk. It’s the hard truths, tough questions, and authentic conversations we need to have—right now.
A special episode for International Women’s Day—because real change starts with real conversations.
🎧 Listen now and let us know your thoughts in the comments! Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more episodes of After The Bar! 🚀
Follow Indranee Rajah:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/indranee-rajah/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
00:59 Introduction
01:26 Is Singapore Going Extinct?
04:53 PSLE: Outdated or still necessary?
09:08 Why are Singaporean parents under so much pressure?
15:44 Is Flexible Work Too Idealistic?
21:14 The Mindset that drives Indranee Rajah’s success
24:04 From law to politics: How she made the leap
29:28 Why we need more women in Parliament
31:46 Are women still facing barriers to leadership?
34:36 Her Mum’s Influence: The Trap of Comparison
37:18 Is Gen Z truly less resilient, or are we missing something?
40:01 Key To Understanding Different Generations
45:46 Why career gaps don’t define potential
48:10 How PAP has stayed connected to Singaporeans
51:14 PAP's Progress Over the Years
55:15 Rapid Fire Round
58:42 Outro
Imagine losing everything—could you fight your way back? In Part 2 of this episode, I continue my raw and powerful conversation with Josephus Tan, the "Gangster Lawyer." He reveals how he faced rock bottom and still found the strength to rise. Despite his career success, Josephus hit some brutal low points: Low Points: - Overcommitted to free legal work—almost bankrupt. - Marriage collapsed. - Suffered a mild stroke. - Ended up living in a van. But Josephus didn’t just survive—he came back stronger. His Comeback: - Started smoking at 12, quit at 45—his latest victory! - Rebuilt his life from nothing, twice. - Went from a 1-room flat to a penthouse. - Now a top lawyer, fiercely fighting for justice. In this episode, Josephus gets real about the hardest moments in life, the importance of second chances, and the advice he’d give his younger self. You’ll also hear critical tips on what to do if you’re arrested or caught in a police chase, and how defense lawyers handle client confessions. Josephus Tan’s story is your roadmap to resilience. This episode will move you—and leave you believing that no setback is final. Follow Josephus Tan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephus-tan-303352307/ Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/ More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
00:48 Pro Bono Overcommitment Leading to Debt
03:42 Near Bankruptcy and Failure of First Marriage
07:16 Suffering from a Medical Emergency
10:41 Going on Medication for the Rest of His Life
11:44 Becoming Pest Buster for Vessels
13:49 Dangers of Working on Vessels
15:30 Life of Living in a Van
18:38 Moments When Josephus’s Pride Is Shattered
22:15 Josephus’ Support in Tough Times
23:26 Josephus’ Advice for Life Struggles
25:49 From Pest Buster to Penthouse Owner
30:58 Josephus's Take on Embracing Second Chances
34:25 Remarkable Journey to Quit Smoking
40:33 Action Steps for Arrest Situations
42:49 How to Respond to a Police Chase Situation
45:45 How Defense Lawyers Handle Client Confessions
50:02 What Would Josephus Say to His Younger Self?
50:51 Personal Questions for Josephus
55:06 Outro
In this episode, I sit down with an extraordinary guest, Josephus Tan, famously known as the "Gangster Lawyer," whose life story is a compelling testament to the power of transformation, resilience, and redemption.
Josephus shares candidly about his descent into gang life, his struggles with alcohol that led to destructive behaviour, and the moments of darkness that made him question his path.
At his lowest point, he nearly ended it all.
Discover how a profound spiritual awakening and a deep desire to make amends for his past guided him to quit drinking, pursue a law degree, and eventually train under the legendary criminal lawyer Subhas Anandan.
Join us as we explore his journey from despair to purpose, learning how he overcame his inner battles and embraced a life dedicated to justice and helping others. Plus, for the first time on After the Bar, Josephus reveals an exclusive update—his decision to quit smoking this year.
This episode is a powerful reminder that no matter one’s past, change is always within reach. Josephus Tan’s story will inspire you to believe in the possibility of redemption and the potential to create a better future.
Follow Josephus Tan:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephus-tan-303352307/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at / shulinlee
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
00:38 Introduction
01:41 From Bankruptcy to Owning a Law Firm
03:11 Formative Years of Josephus’ Life
05:52 Being a Victim of Bullying in School
10:22 Why Josephus Turned to Joining a Gang
11:45 The Reason Most Young People Join Gangs
17:12 Growing up Tough in a Blue-Collar Family
18:30 Understanding the Gangster Lifestyle
22:05 Why Do Gangsters Do What They Do
23:28 Josephus’ Epiphany: Moving On from Gang Life
25:38 Experiencing Fulfillment in National Service
27:07 Old Habits Die Hard
31:35 Finding Clarity Through Prayer and Self-Acceptance
36:16 The Journey Through Depression & Seeking Help
41:35 Josephus’ Push to Get His Diploma
49:43 Chasing a Law Degree Against All Odds
54:04 A Mother’s Love Fuels His Promise to Do Good
58:36 Outro
⛔️ Stop telling yourself you can’t pivot your career.
Think it’s impossible? Meet Lara Quie.
She went from:
➨ Lawyer to Montessori Teacher
➨ Teacher to Kitchen Designer
➨ Designer to BD Manager
➨ BD Manager to Coach
➨ Coach to Podcast Host
Lara Quie, dubbed the “Queen of Pivots” 👸🏻, has done it all.
She’s thrived in diverse roles across Singapore, Hong Kong, the UK, Spain, Germany, and Belgium.
Each transition wasn’t just a move—it was a reinvention. 🔥
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Our latest podcast episode features Lara’s incredible journey of transformation.
Curious about:
➥ How to navigate a mid-life career switch?
➥ Can you make a U-turn if it fails?
➥ How to brand yourself on LinkedIn?
Join us as Lara unveils the secrets of her career pivots, offering you a roadmap to follow.
Learn from a top executive coach who’s just moved from Singapore 🇸🇬 back to the UK. 🇬🇧
🌟If Lara can pivot her career across multiple industries and countries, why can’t you?
Ready to rewrite your career story?
Follow Lara Quie:
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laraquie/
Podcast with Lara Quie:
https://thelegalgeniepodcast.buzzsprout.com
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
00:40 Introduction
01:48 The Queen of Pivots: Lara’s Multiple Careers
08:34 Lara’s Opportunity Cost When She Pivoted
10:06 Having a Supportive Husband and Friends When Pivoting
12:55 The Legal Industry: Expectations vs Reality
14:47 Looking Back: What Lara Would Have Done Differently
16:00 Lara’s Coaching for Career Pivots
20:12 What to ‘Unlearn’ to Change Career Paths
23:22 Learn From Lara’s Experience in Career Pivots
26:24 How to Gain Clarity in What You Want to Do
29:22 If Money and Failure Were Not a Concern: What Would Lara Do
31:06 Lara’s Journey on LinkedIn
34:45 Tips for Personal Branding on Linkedin
42:56 How to Start on LinkedIn
45:39 Lawyers on LinkedIn with Strong Personal Branding
47:09 Lara’s Farewell to Singapore
48:56 Rapid Fire Round
51:09 Outro
Meet the powerhouse behind Psychobitch.
Amanda Chong is a lawyer trained in Harvard and Cambridge, with endless accolades.
Outside of law, she’s an award-winning Poet, Playwright and Advocate for Social Justice.
Her play 'Psychobitch' sold out in record time, cementing her reputation as a trailblazer. (Could she be Singapore’s answer to Taylor Swift?!)
Simply put, she is a powerhouse you absolutely need to hear from.
In this episode, explore:
🧩 The perception of single women in our society.
🖋️ Her unique approach to Poetry and Playwriting.
🎭 The story behind ‘Psychobitch’ and why it resonates with so many.
🌟 How she advocates for women and children, challenging societal norms and driving change.
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Named ‘Her World’s Young Woman Achiever” in 2022, Amanda holds nothing back in this episode.
Hear how she addresses gender dynamics, privilege, and the emotional layers behind her creative process.
Join us as she shares her insights with humour and honesty.
Listen now on Spotify! 🎧
#AfterTheBar #AmandaChong #Psychobitch #GenderEquality #ArtAndLaw #Inspiration #Podcast
Follow Amanda Chong:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandawzchong/
More of Amanda Chong’s work:
Buy Professions at: https://epigrambookshop.sg/products/professions or https://singapore.kinokuniya.com/bw/9789811112362.
Support Psychobitch’s run at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival in August 2024: https://www.wildrice.com.sg/event/234995-psychobitch-2/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
01:02 Intro
02:48 Amanda on Being Single
06:23 Accessibility to Opportunity, Being Placed On A Pedestal
10:12 Did The People Around Her Start to Treat Her Differently?
12:09 One Thing Amanda Wishes Other People Knew About Her
15:08 Her Journey As A Playwright
23:10 On The Success Of Psychobitch
27:11 Knowing The Boundaries of Taking Inspiration From Personal Life
32:31 Revisiting Memories In The Process Of Writing Psychobitch
37:20 What To Note When Writing Confessionally
41:55 Being Vulnerable & Honest In Work
47:31 Her Legal Career and Advocating for Women and Children’s Rights
54:44 Amanda’s Experience Prosecuting Sex Crimes Informs Her Art
01:00:08 Thoughts On Her Mom’s Sacrifice To Become A Homemaker
01:03:36 Rapid Fire Round
01:06:16 An Excerpt from “Monsoon Girls”
01:07:03 Outro
What are some things you must NEVER say in a job interview?
How can you effectively negotiate your salary package?
What are the biggest mistakes people make during their job search?
How can you turn your career transition into a success story
Ten years ago, Tessa moved to Singapore from Spain to embark on a new career in legal recruitment. She went from knowing nothing about the legal industry in Singapore to becoming a director at Aslant Legal.
Tessa’s journey is nothing short of inspiring.
In this episode, discover how Tessa adapted to a new country, excelled in her career, and balanced starting a family. Hear from a former lawyer and seasoned legal recruiter about navigating the complex landscape of career transitions.
We’ll also dive into:
Join us as Tessa shares her invaluable tips and tricks to ace job interviews, adapt to new environments, and advance your career internationally.
Don’t miss this chance to learn from her incredible journey and get inspired to take your own career to the next level!
Follow Tessa Arquilliere:
LinkedIn - / https://www.linkedin.com/in/tessa-arquilliere-60b63b21
Videos with Tessa Arquilliere:
https://youtu.be/8CWXO2a-T1Y?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/1_egYETbG3s?feature=shared
More on Battampore, an inspiring organisation founded to give children in rural Cambodia access to primary education: https://www.battampore.org/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
00:33 Introduction
01:38 Aslant Legal & Tessa’s Role
02:38 What She Wishes She Knew As A Young Lawyer
03:36 The Best Career Advice She Ever Received
04:15 How She Resigned To Do A Career Change
05:46 Some Bad Career Recommendations To Ban
07:55 Common Mistakes People Make In Job Interviews
09:48 Expectations On Pay & Salary Negotiation When Moving Companies
11:06 Do We Need A Cover Letter?
12:57 Setting Yourself Up For A Successful First Interview
14:33 Moving From Spain to Singapore: Challenges And Perception On Singlish
17:52 Is There A Division Between Singaporeans And Expats?
19:13 Tessa’s Difficulties In Moving To A New Industry
20:25 Advice For A Career Pivot When We Have Children And A Mortgage
23:51 How To Prepare Before Moving To A New Country
24:57 Is Singapore Currently An Employers Market?
25:59 Standing Out In A Crowded Market
27:10 Asking For Internal Transfer
29:19 What Tessa Wishes She Knew Before Making Her Career Change
29:54 Looking Back, What Tessa Would’ve Done Differently
31:06 Her Reasons Behind Pursuing Real Estate Law
32:31 A Failure That Set Her Up For Success
36:22 Pro-bono Work Setting Up Schools in Rural Cambodia
38:54 How Tessa Manages All Her Commitments
39:46 Rapid Fire Round
41:14 Outro
Why is the mid-life career pivot so daunting?
Why does networking pose a greater challenge for women?
How can we retain more talented women in the workforce?
And is it really possible to eradicate mum guilt?
Five years ago, Rachel Eng embarked on what she calls the scariest career move of her life!
Amid countless paths, she chose the “hardest” one. Leaving a prominent role at a top law firm to start her very own law firm. What once seemed audacious, has since paid off!
Today, she remains the only woman in Singapore to ever head up one of the Big 4 local law firms; honoured in 2014 as the esteemed Her World Woman of the Year.
As Managing Director at Eng and Co. LLC, Chair of the Singapore Women Entrepreneurs Network, and a Board Member of JTC Corporation, Rachel epitomises success.
In this episode, you will hear about how Rachel manages to stay on top of everything.
How was she able to break that glass ceiling?
What gave her the confidence to make the switch?
How did she manage her successful career whilst raising her children – something she did without a domestic helper?
Join us as Rachel unveils her blueprint for advancing gender equality in the legal profession and imparts wisdom drawn from her extensive career journey.
Topics we discuss in this episode:
Join us, whether you are considering shifting careers, embarking on your professional journey, or already experienced in your field, as we discover Rachel Eng’s outstanding career path and the lessons she has to offer.
Follow Rachel Eng:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-eng-50366319/
Videos with Rachel Eng: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-eng-50366319
Singapore Women Entrepreneurs Network: https://www.sbf.org.sg/about-us/our-communities/business-networks/singapore-women-entrepreneurs-network
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
00:57 Introduction
02:35 Forging A Path For Female Leadership and Gender Diversity In Management
04:36 Building A Firm With A Family-Oriented Philosophy To Retain Talented Women
11:00 Implementing Nursing Rooms In The Office
15:32 Balancing Work and Family Commitments Without A Helper
16:50 Struggling With Parental Guilt As A Mother
21:04 How The Advice to Hire A Helper Might Land
23:07 The Road To Partnership As A Female in Law
26:09 Leaving The Comforts Of A Firm To Start A Company
31:49 Whether The Opportunity Or The Decision To Make A Pivot Came First
34:31 The Mission Behind Eng & Co.
35:14 What Rachel Wish She Knew When Starting The Firm
37:17 Advice For Someone Contemplating A Career Change
39:23 What Is Singapore Women Entrepreneurs Network (SG-WEN)?
42:26 How You Can Be A Part Of SG-WEN
43:41 Advice To Her Younger Self
44:26 Rapid Fire Questions
46:11 Outro
Would you leave a well-paying legal career to be a pastor? That's what Raymond Fong did.
An ex-Deputy Public Prosecutor with a career in the Legal Service, he took a different path to be a pastor. He is now a Pastor-in-Charge at Wesley Methodist Church, a role that he holds with a deep sense of purpose.
In this episode, you will hear about his story: a prosecutor turned pastor. We'll explore the challenges he faced during this career shift, the lessons he learned, and the journey that led him to become a pastor.
We also discuss:
Join us, whether you are considering shifting careers, embarking on your professional journey, or already experienced in your field, as we uncover the unique story of Pastor Raymond's dual careers and the lessons he has to offer.
For more about Pastor Ray and his work, check out his newly launched podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/0wTfH91dRk5bT6VPJ0GuS9?si=c7d7374f8c4e45ae
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
What if you get retrenched? What if you need to terminate someone? Do you know what your rights are? Or what to do?
In this episode, you’re going to learn what your rights are if you get retrenched in Singapore.
We talk about retrenchment, termination and employment law with two senior lawyers - Amarjit Kaur, Head of Singapore Employment Practice at Withers KhattarWong and Seow Hui Goh, Head of Singapore Employment Practice at Bird & Bird.
Hear their views on the recent Lazada layoffs. And how retrenchment can go terribly wrong and also surprisingly well, when handled properly.
We also talk about:
Join us, whether you're a leader, experienced professional or just starting out in the workforce, as this episode offers invaluable insights beneficial for both employers and employees.
If you know someone who’s dealing with employment uncertainty, send them this episode and provide them with the information they will need.
Seow Hui Goh LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/seow-hui-%E6%99%93%E6%85%A7-goh-%E5%90%B4-a997b66a
Videos with Seow Hui Goh: https://youtu.be/HirBFsXP9oo?si=fQR0vcfp_NMLNuaZ
Amarjit Kaur LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/amarjit-kaur-4b1ba620/
Videos with Amarjit Kaur: https://youtu.be/bdQ3WNBuloM?si=QbzEjtAeq_PN2vg-
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for: 00:00 Start of Episode 00:45 Introduction 01:47 Dealing with Rumours of Retrenchment 04:01 What to do When Colleagues are Offered a Better Retrenchment Package 06:13 Taking a Pay-cut to Stay in the Organisation 07:29 Lazada Retrenchment Exercise 10:32 How can Employers Cushion the Blow of Retrenchment? 14:04 Can Retrenchments Go Well? 15:59 Retrenchment as a Disguise to Let Go of Poor Performers 19:41 Do PIPs Actually Work? 24:36 When to Let Go of a Poor Performer 28:45 Preserving the Relationship When Employees Leave the Organisation 31:10 Should You Reveal at Your Next Interview if You Were Made Redundant? 34:30 Can Organisations Do Anything When an Employee Posts a Bad Review on Glassdoor? 37:01 Disgruntled Employees Sharing Their Opinions Online 39:52 Remote Working in a Public Place 44:23 What’s the Best Ratio of Working In Office To Working From Home 47:56 Upcoming Workplace Fairness Legislation 54:06 Rapid Fire Round 57:08 Outro
After the Bar is back with Season 3! And this time, we're delving into the theme of navigating transitions. Join Shulin as she speaks with lawyers from various walks of life – past, present, and future – to explore their journeys in law, with a special focus on the pivotal moments in their careers and personal lives.
In our season opener, Shulin is joined by Sophie Mathur, a Mergers and Acquisitions lawyer and the Asia Head of Corporate with Linklaters.
Sophie takes us on a journey through her evolution in the legal industry – from starting her legal career in London, to achieving partnership, leadership, and motherhood. Along the way, she’s shattered conventions and forged her own path.
You will hear her share invaluable insights into personal branding, business development (without wining and dining!), and she even gives a masterclass on how to give feedback.
Sophie opens up about the unique challenges she faced as an Asian woman of colour in the corporate realm. Through her candid reflections, she sheds light on the psychological barriers that often hinder us from realizing our full potential.
Join us for the kickoff of Season 3, as Sophie shares her remarkable insights, lessons learnt, and the incredible journey she's charted.
Follow Sophie Mathur:
LinkedIn - https://sg.linkedin.com/in/sophie-mathur-090356
Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/c4B56soGrno
Videos with Sophie Mathur:
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
Roles are reversed, for this bonus episode! For once, I’m in the hot seat, answering your questions on After the Bar.
Joined by my coach and mentor, Georgina Chang, I opened up about my journey, after quitting law.
In this episode, you will hear about:
Why I started After the Bar
How I overcame my Fears
How I pivoted from Lawyer to Recruiter
Memorable moments on this podcasting adventure
And the many Lessons I learnt along the way…
You will see a different side to me.
One that I’ve hesitated to show for the longest time.
In sharing a piece of my personal story, I hope it inspires you in some small way.
Comment below and let me know!
What to listen for: 00:00 Start of Episode 00:39 Introduction 01:21 Why did Shulin Start ‘After The Bar’ Podcast 05:55 Transitioning From a Lawyer to a Legal Recruiter 08:43 On Realising That Being a Lawyer Was Not for Her 11:04 Finding Purpose in Being a Legal Recruiter 14:00 Launching ‘After The Bar’ 15:07 Overcoming The Fear of Starting The Podcast 16:28 Were There Moments Shulin Felt Unqualified? 18:46 On Owning Your Space 20:50 On The Late Adrian Tan 23:21 Memorable Moments - SC Lok Vi Ming’s Episode 27:07 Memorable Moments - MP SPS Rahayu Mahzam’s Episode 28:19 Is Asking Questions as a Legal Recruiter Different Than as a Podcast Host? 29:50 Shulin’s Guest Wishlist 30:45 Vision For Season 3 of ‘After The Bar’ 34:47 Biggest Lesson Learnt From the Podcast 36:13 Rapid Fire Questions
Subscribe to our channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@AfterTheBarPod
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Follow me here: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
Website: https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
My work: https://aslantlegal.com/
Follow my amazing coach! https://sg.linkedin.com/in/georginachang/
My heartfelt thanks to you for your support for After the Bar!
As Season 2 comes to a close, we look forward to what the new season will bring.
Wishing you an amazing end to 2023, and may we collectively Raise the Bar to new heights in the coming year! 🎉
A first in After the Bar history, we speak to Rahayu Mahzam, Senior Parliamentary Secretary at the Ministry of Law and Ministry of Health, and Member of Parliament for Jurong GRC. Rahayu, a former lawyer and passionate advocate for inclusivity, shares her personal career journey from law to politics, discussing the immediate changes after winning the election and the mindset shift she experienced.
She also reflects on her legal career, highlighting the insights gained from practicing civil litigation and family law, as well as her unique experience as Deputy Registrar at the Syariah Court. Rahayu opens up about raising a child with special needs, offering valuable insights into balancing the demands of her high-pressure job and caregiving responsibilities. Throughout the conversation, she emphasises the importance of support networks and shares her ongoing efforts to promote inclusivity for marginalised groups, including persons with disabilities.
Don't miss this inspiring conversation with Rahayu Mahzam as she discusses her personal missions for Singapore and the legal community while sharing her vision for a more inclusive society.
Rahayu Mahzam LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahayumahzam/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/rahayumahzam/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/RahayuMahzamSG/
Rahayu Mahzam's Speeches: https://youtu.be/8c18fsbaDh8 https://youtu.be/l6Jhg5r2h3w
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for: 00:00 Start of Episode 00:31 Introduction 01:21 Dealing with Being a Public Figure & Public Scrutiny 04:19 Self-consciousness as a Politician 08:31 Journey from a Lawyer to a Politician 13:47 Rahayu's Humble Beginnings & Ability to Empathise with the Regular Citizens 17:54 Caring for a Child with Special Needs 26:17 Creating an Ecosystem of Support for the Special Needs Community 31:46 What Can Be Done to Foster Inclusion in Workplaces 36:16 Compatibility of Legal Careers and Family Life for Women 43:41 Issues in the Legal Sector for Women 46:04 What Would Rahayu Want to Change in the Legal Industry 50:37 Law in AI & Opportunities for Younger Lawyers to Gain New Skills 52:20 Advice for Young & Aspiring Lawyers 55:55 Rapid Fire Questions
In this episode of After The Bar, join us as we delve deep into the world of law with the esteemed guest, Jean Woo, a banking specialist lawyer heading local law firm Ashurst. Jean shares invaluable insights on various aspects of the legal profession from hiring processes and managing the different dynamics of lawyers.
Jean begins by discussing the qualities she looks for in a lawyer and how the self-selecting process plays a crucial role in shaping a successful legal career. She sheds light on the importance of ensuring motivation and engagement among younger lawyers, while also addressing the pressing issue of mental health within the legal industry.
Work-life balance is a topic close to Jean's heart, and she shares her strategies for managing competing demands and finding harmony between professional and personal life. As a Managing Partner, Jean provides valuable perspective shifts that occur when taking on a higher role and how she navigates the challenges of managing the firm while maintaining a successful legal practice.
Exploring the dynamics of different categories of lawyers, Jean offers tips on how homegrown lawyers can secure positions in international law firms. She also delves into the implications of local law firms merging with international companies and the potential loss of legal talent.
Throughout the episode, Jean emphasises the importance of transparency in international firms and communicates the significance of setting boundaries and maintaining open communication with family as she shares how she manages the different priorities in her list and life.
Don't miss this insightful conversation with Jean Woo, where she shares her experiences, advice, and reflections on the legal profession, providing listeners with a wealth of knowledge to navigate their own legal careers successfully.
Jean Woo - http://linkedin.com/in/jean-woo-1b904452
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for: 00:00 Start of Episode 00:50 Introduction Starts 01:29 New Generation of Lawyers 03:20 Self-Selecting Process 04:36 Qualities to Look for In a Lawyer 05:19 Ensuring Motivation and Engagement for Younger Lawyer 07:52 Tackling Mental Health Issues in a Firm 10:21 Managing a Work-Life Balance 11:29 Learning to Trust your Organisation 12:28 Why Jean Volunteered to be a Managing Partner 13:12 Stepping Up Further into Your Career 15:12 Perspective Shifts after Taking on a Higher Role 17:13 Managing Competing Demands of Managing the Firm and Maintaining a Successful Legal Practice 19:19 What Jean Would Have Done Differently 20:38 Advice to Others in a Similar Position 24:10 Singaporean Lawyers vs Expat Lawyers 24:37 Jean's Experiences as a Lawyer in the UK 26:12 Advantages of Being a Lawyer Who Has Worked Overseas 28:52 Tips on How to Get Hired in an International Law Firm as a Homegrown Lawyer 30:55 Peer Mentoring and Cultural Exchange 33:53 Is the Legal Scene being Dominated by Big International Firms? 35:48 Local Law Firms Merging with International Companies Leading to A Potential Loss of Legal Talent 37:23 What Attracts Local Firm Partners to Global Firms 38:01 Transparency in International Firms 41:22 How to Juggle Work Stress 42:51 Jean's Philosophy on Family 43:50 How to Keep Priorities in Check 46:36 Rapid Fire Questions
Join us on this podcast episode as we speak with Lyn Lee, the Head of Group Legal at OCBC Bank, as well as a Maxwell Leadership Certified Team Speaker, Coach, and Trainer. Coming on to After the Bar a second time, Lyn delves deeper into how she finds and maintains balance in life with her faith, family, and friends. While being successful herself, she also maintains that the definition of success takes on a very different meaning for each individual.
She also shares what motivated her to get the certification for Maxwell Leadership Certified Team Speaker, Coach, and Trainer, and how this has helped her in her work.
Lyn also reflects on some of the challenges of having the ‘Achiever’ as one of her strengths on the CliftonStrengths Assessment, and how she went about finding peace with it.
Throughout her life, Lyn has continuously tried out new things and is not afraid to learn from people younger than her.
This episode is one about understanding one’s intentions in life and lifelong learning. If you are feeling lost in your career or life, this might help you to find some clarity.
Lyn has previously appeared in Season 1 Episode 9 (https://youtu.be/eRSeYgjq9ac) talking about mentorship and re-defining one’s own success.
Lyn Lee - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lyn-lee-1b7a1713/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
02:14 Finding and Maintaining Balance in Life
04:20 Process of Finding What You Want in Life and Being Intentional About It
06:19 Defining Your Own Success: Two Ladies, Two President Scholars, Two Different Paths of Success
07:58 Lyn’s Motivation to Getting Certification for Maxwell Leadership Certified Team Speaker
08:55 Favourite John Maxwell’s Books
09:13 Weakness of the ‘Achiever’ Strength
14:28 What Else Lyn Hopes To Achieve in the Future
17:23 The Extent of Faith on Lyn’s Work
20:42 Lyn’s Advice to Her Younger Self
22:50 Tips and Predictions for Future Lawyers
25:10 Rapid Fire Questions
Join us in this episode as we speak with Yingyu Wang, an accomplished Tech & IP lawyer for Simmons & Simmons. Watch as she shares her journey in the legal and business world. Yingyu opens up about her experiences in managing a law firm and the challenges she faced along the way. She also shares her insights on the intersection between the tech world and the legal industry, and how her decision to move into tech has impacted her career.
But it doesn't stop there. Yingyu is also a mother, and in this episode, she opens up about the juggle between the responsibilities of being a successful lawyer and being a mother. You'll hear her share her personal struggles and how she manages to strike a balance between work and family life.
If you're interested in hearing about the legal industry, the tech world, and the challenges of being a working parent, this episode is for you. Tune in and find out more from Yingyu's valuable insights and experiences.
Yingyu Wang - https://www.linkedin.com/in/yingyu-wang/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
02:06 Yingyu's Journey in Law & Business
06:11 The Juggle between Managing a Firm and Being a Mother
07:24 Overcoming Challenges when Managing a Firm
11:17 The Decision to Close Her Own Law Firm and Joining Another Firm
16:25 Demystifying the Tech World - Crypto, Blockchain, Web3 etc.
19:38 The Move into the Digital Assets World
22:21 Legal Complications in Web3
23:36 Outcome of Investing in Crypto
24:12 Yingyu’s Thoughts on Crypto
26:57 The Next Thing to Look Out for in the Digital Assets World
28:43 Yingyu’s Main Concern as a Female Lawyer
29:51 How Yingyu’s Attitude has Changed Towards Her Practice
31:26 Yingyu’s Thoughts on Being a Mentor to Younger Lawyers
35:51 Yingyu’s Support Circle in her Career
40:30 Moving Away from Toxic Environments
42:01 What Yingyu Wished She Had Known About Work and Women Earlier
45:01 How Can Support Be Given to Women Aspiring to Venture into Tech
47:48 Tips to People Who Aspire to Start a Family and Still Thrive at Work
50:12 An Advice to Lawyers Who Dream of Entering Tech
50:26 Rapid Fire Questions
Join us on this podcast episode as we speak with Lok Vi Ming, Senior Counsel, about his path to becoming a Senior Counsel and his illustrious legal career. He provides valuable insights into how his personal values have shaped his approach to law and the significant effort he has dedicated to his craft.
Most importantly, he sheds light on how he made it a point not to change the kind of person he is, even after achieving the prestigious title of Senior Counsel.
We also dive into some of Lok Vi Ming's past high-profile cases, including the SilkAir MI 185 case and the Slim 10 saga, and he shares the challenges and rewards of working on such complex legal battles.
Additionally, Lok Vi Ming reflects on his experience striking out on his own and in starting his own law firm. He shares valuable lessons learned from his journey in entrepreneurship, leadership and law firm management.
Whether you are an aspiring lawyer or simply interested in the world of law, this episode offers a wealth of valuable insights and inspiration.
Lok Vi Ming - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vi-ming-lok-sc-a327071a5/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
01:55 Receiving the CC Tan Award
02:37 Vi Ming’s Approach to His Legal Practice
04:23 Thoughts on Being Made Senior Counsel
07:24 The Biggest Difference in Vi Ming’s Career After Being Made SC
08:53 Alternate Career Trajectory If Not Made SC
10:00 Important Values to Vi Ming
11:11 Motto of ‘Never Say Never’ in Life
11:59 High Profile Case SilkAir MI 185
16:07 The Role of Faith During the SilkAir MI 185 Case
22:34 High Profile Case Slim 10 Saga
29:14 Outcome of the Slim 10 Saga
32:29 Overcoming Challenges on Doing the ‘Right’ Thing
34:02 Why Start A Firm in Your Fifties?
36:37 Why Do Lawyers Choose to Apply to LVM Law Chambers?
38:38 Thoughts on the Next Generation of Lawyers
43:41 Criteria of Hiring Associates
45:33 Vi Ming’s Role Models
46:30 Advice to Lawyers Aspiring to Become an SC
47:40 How Vi Ming’s Definition of Success Has Changed
49:47 Vi Ming’s Way Forward as an SC
51:50 Rapid Fire Questions
In this episode, we sit down with Maree Myerscough, COO & General Counsel for Aquila Clean Energy Asia Pacific, a clean energy platform that funds, develops, builds and operates solar PV, wind power and battery storage assets across the region. Maree opens up about a traumatic time in her life after she was laid off from her previous company and how it has shaped her approach to professional setbacks.
In the wake of so many lay-offs and retrenchments, it’s refreshing to hear from a legal leader willing to share about her job loss with such vulnerability.
“I was told ‘It’s not personal, Maree’ – but it was hard not to take it personally when I had poured so much of myself into the role. It was much more than just a job to me.”
After embracing support from her strong network, Maree bounced back and has continued her successful career. It’s an inspiring story of a humble leader who has been paying it forward to help others facing similar situations.
Beyond her work in the renewable energy sector, Maree is also an active proponent of pro bono projects, community service initiatives, and mentorship programs for young lawyers. She speaks candidly about her service leadership within the legal community and her passion for helping others succeed.
Throughout the episode, Maree emphasises the importance of mental wellbeing, particularly in high-stress industries like law and energy. She shares her own strategies for coping with stress and maintaining a healthy work-life balance.
Gain valuable insights into the world of renewable energy projects, ESG considerations for business, as well as practical tips for navigating challenging career transitions and prioritising self-care. Join us for this inspiring conversation with a true leader in the renewable energy and legal communities.
Maree Myerscough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mareemyerscough/
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
02:06 Life as an Expat
03:31 What is Renewable Energy?
06:01 Why Did You Choose In-House?
06:48 Managing Relationships with External Counsel
09:05 Growing a Team
09:47 Challenges Facing the Renewable Energy Market
11:46 The Work Involving ESG
14:04 Environmental & Social Issues In a Day to Day Work
16:04 Being a COO
21:08 Dealing With Risks
22:14 Coping with Retrenchment
29:06 Being a Part Time Legal Recruiter
30:08 The Juggle being a Working Lawyer Mum
34:04 Being Involved as a Board Member
37:09 Being a Strong Advocate for Mental Wellbeing
40:53 Advice for Lawyers
43:03 Moving Forward
43:51 Rapid Fire Questions
In this episode, we sit down with Ivan Cheong, an experienced lawyer who specialises in family and divorce law. He has helped many individuals navigate the legal system during challenging times, from custody battles to property division.
Ivan shares some of the common challenges that people face during divorce proceedings. Why mediation is a better option, instead of litigation and how therapeutic justice is solution-driven for families
Join us as we delve deep into the world of family law, and gain a deeper understanding of what it takes to resolve disputes between family.
Ivan Cheong - linkedin.com/in/ivan-cheong-7528485a
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:00 Start of Episode
02:08 Falling Finalised Divorce Proceedings in 2021
03:08 Reasons Behind the High Divorce Rates in Singapore
04:39 Stigma Among Divorce
06:06 Most Common Causes of Divorce
07:33 Uncommon Reason of Divorce
08:59 Therapeutic Justice
13:16 Post Nuptial Agreement
15:54 Reasons for Entering Post Nuptial Agreement
20:23 High Profile Cases
23:09 Repeal of Section 377A
29:28 The Desired Changes in our Family Legal Regime
32:31 Pets in Divorce Proceedings
34:14 Ivan's Perspective on Marriage
36:58 Why Ivan Chose Family Law
38:58 The Most Enjoyable Part about Work to Ivan
42:30 Important Values for Family Lawyers
44:30 Self-Care as a Lawyer
45:41 Advice for his Younger Self
46:58 Advice for Married Couples
49:09 Rapid Fire Questions
In this International Women’s Episode Special, we sit down with three female lawyers - Debby, Kimarie, and Seow Hui - to discuss their experiences working in the law industry.
As women in a traditionally male-dominated field, Debby, Kimarie, and Seow Hui share their insights on what it's like to navigate the challenges of being a female lawyer. From facing gender biases to balancing work and personal life, they discuss the unique struggles that women in law often encounter.
They also shed light on the positive aspects of their careers, including the satisfaction of helping clients and the sense of accomplishment that comes with winning cases. Additionally, they offer advice for aspiring female lawyers, including the importance of finding a mentor and the need to advocate for oneself.
This episode provides a glimpse into the experiences of women in the law industry and the ways in which they are striving to create a more inclusive and equitable workplace.
Debby Lim - linkedin.com/in/debby-lim-43a27a26
Kimarie Cheang - linkedin.com/in/kimarie-cheang
Seow Hui Goh - linkedin.com/in/seow-hui-晓慧-goh-吴-a997b66a
Connect with me on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shulinlee/
More on the podcast - https://www.AfterTheBar.com.sg
What to listen for:
00:20 Intro
01:25 Was becoming a partner in law firm part of the plan?
03:45 Becoming Female Lawyers
09:39 Facing Unfairness as a Woman
14:37 Experience Serving Underrepresented Communities
16:11 Being a Female Leader in a Male-Dominated Industry
20:40 Working in an All-Women Team
23:30 Setting the Tone for Your Team
24:22 Impostor Syndrome and Feeling Like a Fraud
29:30 Fears and Overcoming Them
31:14 Balancing Children and Work
35:36 Greatest Risks Taken
38:03 Doubts and Getting Over Them
40:02 Advice on Building a Book of Business
44:15 Advice to Aspiring Lawyers Entering Private Practice
46:21 Most Significant Impact/Lesson from Law Practice
48:45 Rapid Fire Round
