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Adulting and Adrift
Kihong Ahn and Thomas Hikaru Clark
26 episodes
6 days ago
Audio record of two Zillenials discussing a grab bag of thought-provoking relatable content as they drift through their mid- to late- 20s :)
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Audio record of two Zillenials discussing a grab bag of thought-provoking relatable content as they drift through their mid- to late- 20s :)
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Society & Culture
Episodes (20/26)
Adulting and Adrift
24: US Election

Join us as we discuss the 2024 election results, make sense of voting trends, and make predictions for the next few years.

(0:00): Intro snippets

(00:55): Surprised by election results? Breakdown by different groups

(26:03): Predictions for next 4 years


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11 months ago
30 minutes 53 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
23: One Year of Adulting and Adrift!

In this episode, Kihong and Thomas celebrate one year of Adulting and Adrift and look back on past episodes :)

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1 year ago
43 minutes 23 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
22. International Marriage (feat. Gun Ahn and Marianne Vanhala)

(0:00) Preview

(1:10) Intro

(3:00) Gun and Marianne introduce themselves

(4:30) How did you meet?

(10:30) Cultural differences - Korea vs. Finland

(19:00) Sustaining a relationship while moving many times

(23:00) Language dynamics in the relationship - role of English, Finnish, Korean

(38:45) Advice for intercultural relationships

(42:35) Commitment in relationships

(47:40) Adjusting to life in the US

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1 year ago
56 minutes 13 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
21: Regrets

(0:00) Preview

(1:56) Intro

(5:30) High school and college

(49:40) Relationships

(58:05) Career

(1:05:37) Family


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1 year ago
1 hour 16 minutes 27 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
20: So much to catch up on! (Trump Shooting, Kamala Memes, Hillbilly Elegy, and more)

(0:00) Preview

(1:32) Intro: Current Events Recap - Trump, Harris, Stocks, Olympics, Boeing

(8:05) Donald Trump's Attempted Assassination

(13:45) Biden Stepping Down

(22:00) Kamala Harris, Charli XCX, Tampon Tim and Political Memes

(29:30) JD Vance, Hillbilly Elegy, Rise of MAGA, Nativism, and Immigration

(1:03:25) Tim Walz, Josh Shapiro, Choosing a running mate

(1:11:00) Stock Market Jitters, Bank of Japan, Uncertainty

(1:17:43) Ukraine invading Russia

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1 year ago
1 hour 28 minutes 59 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
19: Social Media, Content Creation and Attention Spans

(2:00) AI-generated content on social media

(4:30) Social Media and Gen-Z slang

(13:09) Facebook going downhill

(19:50) To exchange numbers or Instagram handles?

(29:10) Getting cyberbullied

(33:20) Attention spans, short-form content, viral trends

(45:18) YouTube

(48:37) Reddit

(57:33) Spotify

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1 year ago
1 hour 5 minutes 14 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
18: Value Systems, Protests, Trolley Problem

(0:00) Highlights

(2:23) Intro

(3:52) What informs your value system? Kihong's turn

(17:45) Actions, habits, and desire

(23:55) What informs your value system? Thomas's turn

(32:40) Cognitive biases

(38:25) Civil discourse and cancel culture

(48:55) Student protests

(56:35) Applying value systems in your career and in the corporate world

(1:00:45) Story of Franz Jaegerstaetter, conscientious objector in WWII

(1:05:00) Utilitarianism

(1:11:00) Trolley Problem



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1 year ago
1 hour 15 minutes 40 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
17: Miscellaneous - TikTok, Weddings, Listener Feedback

(0:00) - Clips

(1:40) - Intro

(2:30) - TikTok

(12:42) - Messi in Boston

(17:15) - Our friends are all getting married!

(31:25) - Living with roommates

(34:45) - Feedback from listeners on Love and Dating, Career

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1 year ago
47 minutes 42 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
16: Masculinity, Social Expectations, and Online Spaces

(07:30) Masculinity: race and culture mixed

(18:00) Expectations growing up as boys: Thomas and Kihong’s story

(25:00) Traditionally gendered spaces

(30:30) Masculinity influencers

(40:00) Talking about what’s going on - why it’s so hard to build a good platform of open discourse

(44:30) Gender relations are at all-time low

(49:00) Breaking down these “male influencers”

(56:00) Having the right role model: how to guide future generations properly


Please provide thoughts! Thomas and I understand that this is a sensitive topic and that we are two straight men talking about this. So please give us constructive criticism and add inputs. Thank you!

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1 year ago
1 hour 5 minutes 45 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
15: AI, Societal Inequality, and UBI

Intro

(03:00) Intro to AI - birth of the concept and its evolution

(14:00) Phase 2 of AI: the transformer architecture, element of attention

(20:00) Why hardware is so important

(23:00) AI vs. the human brain

(30:00) How Kihong and Thomas first experienced AI

(43:00) Core principles of “Safe AI” - possible? Maybe humans are the biggest risk….

(53:00) How Kihong and Thomas use AI at work

(01:05:00) AI’s impact on career and capitalism, post-labor economics and UBI

(01:16:00) Societal inequality within a country and between countries; mass exodus

(01:19:00) Misinformation and low-quality content

(01:24:00) How to co-exist with AI

Outro


Check out these links:

Andrej Karpathy blog post from 2015: http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/

3blue1brown: https://www.youtube.com/c/3blue1brown

A.I. Artificial Intelligence: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212720/

Alphago vs. Lee Sedol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_versus_Lee_Sedol

AI and UBI: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-predicts-universal-high-160015532.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACUPQMXHFNi_R9EqHBehchba-6AN8qYzZ2NEHuqglVJSoDdb6rzBDnsto7roPor5IPclW0elIFVyuhrEAY1TLqh2jYlzl1yvC7dhDQwnvOuGvnjJxvQNOiIqN13_5GaH0VySwjmm3gm2-_8tieGpJ42ccsbafIBNOdVcrlGzSMRT

Post-labor economics: https://newatlas.com/technology/post-labor-economics-shapiro/

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1 year ago
1 hour 28 minutes 4 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
14. College: Rankings, Elitism, and Stats

In this episode, Thomas and Kihong investigate the underlying dynamics of the so-called “elite” U.S. colleges and the post-college implications of such branding. They share insightful and surprising statistics - hope you enjoy this episode. Please leave comments or share thoughts directly.

We appreciate any reactions. :)


(5:30) By how much did the “elite” colleges expand vs. the rest in the last ~30 years?

(10:00) Scarcity, brand, and satellite campuses

(18:00) Open-sourcing education

(25:00) Financial aid of “elite” colleges

(29:30) The UC system - the one that worked

(33:00) Inequality of education through privatization

(40:00) What a high school senior should really think about

(45:00) The great filtering - life after college

(49:00) Why Kihong wanted to do this episode so much


If you want to learn more about this topic through different channels, check out:

Freakonomics -

Episode 500: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6R2fvzdzmLRi3THmiWMY6U?si=1919a3b90249453d

Episode 501: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5mDKTQ6iuiUg59Ghev2WOf?si=fae3dc4252a64546

Episode 502: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5eV24SuhVG9NFP2bnzvibf?si=e7bb77861bb34725

Episode 503: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6kBXTSJQcDaObF0QmwOAYG?si=b8442a1cd73e4cc9

Malcom Gladwell on elitism, dining, and colleges: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0sB5WgKiAyvFkkecvItEki?si=521680c3aa2a4c5e

Operation Varsity Blues: The College Admissions Scandal

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1 year ago
59 minutes 16 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
13: Religion and Spirituality

(0:00) Intro - brief overview of each of our backgrounds

(5:43) Defining religion and spirituality

(8:00) Positive/attractive aspects of religion

(17:50) Doubts, cognitive biases, critiques of religion

(41:46) Faith, spirituality, meditation, ethics

(49:10) Question for Kihong: What value do you see in religion, spirituality, and meditation?

(1:04:55) Discussing the play "A Case for the Existence of God"

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1 year ago
1 hour 12 minutes 16 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
12: Friendship

Thomas and Kihong explores everything about friendship - what defines friendship, what helps people be good friends, how does it evolve over time? How do you navigate?

(02:00) How do you define friendship? What is the best way to approach it?

(14:00) What makes people become friends? Our stories and the element of chance

(22:30) Is there such a thing as a best friend? Different levels of friendship?

(33:00) Loneliness vs. Solitude

(45:00) Connecting people, cultivating relationships, building a community, overcoming your fear

(56:00) How friends influence your views and lifestyle?

(01:12:00) Can a boy and a girl be friends? Controversial topic

(01:23:00) How do you repair the relationship after arguing with a friend?

We also started a YouTube channel!! Please search Adulting and Adrift, or click on this link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwL37EJNB3hFColLCcQsQJQ

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1 year ago
1 hour 31 minutes 22 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
11: Personal Finance

(03:00) Our own histories with money

(15:10) Money and status: fashion, music, and everything

(19:10) Boomers vs. Gen Z narrative

(35:10) Personal finance: Thomas’ story

(49:10) Kihong’s journey with personal finance

(01:06:10) Budgeting!

(01:10:00) Credit scores and closing out

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1 year ago
1 hour 16 minutes 38 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
10: Boarding School Pt. 2 (feat. Andie Choi)

(00:00) Highlights + Intro

(04:00) Andie’s childhood and how she ended up at a boarding school

(17:15) The application process

(25:00) First day of school and the importance of luck

(30:30) Academics: the challenges; how to design your experience

(40:10) Interacting with faculty as an Asian person

(45:50) Designing life beyond boarding school, finding her true passions

(50:00) Thomas on the shortcomings of what is taught as success in boarding schools

(54:00) Posturing and systemic privilege

(01:02:00) Life after boarding school and what Andie is looking forward to in 2024

(01:04:50) Would you send your kid?

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1 year ago
1 hour 11 minutes 29 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
9: Upbringing and Parenting

(00:00) Highlights

(02:30) Intro

(05:30) Childhood, family, and sibling dynamics

(21:50) Kihong's experiences

(42:00) Being deliberate about little choices as parents

(45:00) Rewards and punishments: a legitimate system of teaching children?

(1:00:00) Why it’s so dangerous for parents to not communicate

(1:04:00) Thomas talks about “training”

(1:19:00) Kihong on South Korea’s low birth rate and the meaning of family

(1:25:30) Thomas on the responsibilities and duties as a parent

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1 year ago
1 hour 33 minutes 16 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
8: Career, Passion, and Work-Life Balance

(0:00) Introduction and Holidays Update

(5:00) Today’s Topic: Job and Career

(6:20) As a kid, what did you want to be when you grew up?

(12:55) How did you end up in your current career trajectory? - Thomas

(26:30) How did you end up in your current career trajectory? - Kihong

(32:45) Finding a job based on passion, impact, and/or financial security

(38:30) Work-life balance across industries and academia

(49:30) What does your future trajectory look like?

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1 year ago
1 hour 4 minutes 5 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
7: (Holiday Edition) Kihong’s Book Discussion: How to Stop Worrying and Start Living, Part 2

(1:34) Importance of thoughts

(7:30) Importance of mental fortitude against criticism

(13:00) Importance of rest

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1 year ago
17 minutes 36 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
7: (Holiday Edition) Kihong’s Book Discussion: How to Stop Worrying and Start Living, Part 1

(00:00) Intro - Kihong’s explanation on why he chose this book to discuss and the impact

(02:40) Who was Dale Carnegie?

(07:00) Part 1 Discussion

(09:00) Kihong’s own experience of worry on health, Discussion of Part 2

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1 year ago
16 minutes 58 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
6: Asian-American or Asian+American?

(00:50) Intro

(02:45) Asian-American or Asian and American

(5:30) Thomas’ story: Born in US, grew up in Japan as a mixed race person

(22:20) Kihong’s story: Asian lunchbox

(26:00) Navigating through different friend groups

(28:00) Different cultural values and priorities - how they impacted our lives

(33:50) Speaking up for yourself and apologizing less

(38:20) Asian representation in media and its impact

(42:30) Kihong’s take on the late Korean culture’s popularity and the relatively short history of Asian immigration

(45:45) Thomas on the Last Samurai

(53:30) Asian names, Western conventions, and representation in science

(1:01:13) "Model minority": the danger of narratives and expectations

(1:11:00) Wrapping up

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1 year ago
1 hour 14 minutes 15 seconds

Adulting and Adrift
Audio record of two Zillenials discussing a grab bag of thought-provoking relatable content as they drift through their mid- to late- 20s :)