Frontier Risks: DeepMind, Agentic Systems, and Security Leadership ft. Jason Rebholz

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Zero Signal

Conor Sherman

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Zero Signal is a high-energy podcast for cybersecurity leaders, co-hosted by Conor Sherman and Stuart Mitchell. It uniquely blends current events with in-depth conversations featuring seasoned security executives, thinkers, and builders. The podcast addresses critical questions regarding the future of cybersecurity in an AI-driven landscape, focusing on what works, what's broken, and what's next, particularly as AI redefines trust in the digital world.

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Frontier Risks: DeepMind, Agentic Systems, and Security Leadership ft. Jason Rebholz

Zero Signal

49 minutes 14 seconds

1 month ago

Frontier Risks: DeepMind, Agentic Systems, and Security Leadership ft. Jason Rebholz

Quick Take (TL;DR)

This episode explores the evolving risks and opportunities at the intersection of AI, security, and leadership, featuring insights from instant response veteran Jason Rebholz. The conversation highlights why AI safety and agentic systems matter for CISOs and security teams today.

Key Topics & Timestamps

(00:00) Banter
(03:39) Guest Introduction
(04:29) DeepMind’s Frontier Safety Framework
(06:11) Manipulative AI & Enterprise Risk
(07:53) Frontier vs. Enterprise Risk
(11:24) Early Signs & Real-World Impact
(14:25) Safety vs. Security
(16:16) Implementation Context
(18:06) Expel Talent Index
(22:08) What Makes a Great Security Pro?
(29:05) Good CISO, Bad CISO
(36:43) Memo to File
(38:03) Securing AI Agents
(44:49) Actionable Advice

Guest Spotlight

Jason Rebholz is the co-founder of Evoke Security and former CISO at Corvus Insurance. He previously led incident response at Mandiant, handling nation-state threats and major breaches. Jason is a leading voice on AI security, agentic systems, and practical risk management. Connect: LinkedIn | Website | Newsletter | Twitter/X

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Good CISO, Bad CISO by Phil Venables

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