In this episode of zDevOps Talks, David and I were able hook Frank De Gilio! This is big news, in case you weren't aware, Frank has run a very successful, very entertaining and informative podcast called Terminal Talk over the years and he is one big fish that we were hoping to get on our show. We talk simplification, the rebel alliance, and more on re:ipl (you can almost think of it as a semi-part-two of our last episode with Steven Perva). Have a listen, it's a great talk!