We talk a little about the tonal weirdness of Mario Odyssey, big-picture lesssons from this year in big games, and whether Sonic Team needs to keep trying to make “big games” to reach Sonic’s true potential.

Thanks to Nintendo, Koji Kondo and every who composed or arranged the music in Super Mario Odyssey. Thanks to everyone who composed music in Sonic Forces. Thanks to torahorse and arcane kids for Sonic Dreams Collection. Thanks to Triple-Q for the mashup at the end.