Host Jim Irvin invites two more guests to discuss albums that never make those lists of the all-time greats. Here he's joined by Roxy Music's textural guitar wizard, Phil Manzanera and comic actor and much-admired lone-wolf musician, Matt Berry.

The albums under discussion are: John Martyn - One World (1978); Bram Stoker - Heavy Rock Spectacular (1972) and Willie Bobo - Uno Dos Tres 123 (1968).

Also discussed: the Roxy Music 50th anniversary reunion and how they started, are bands unnatural?, Phil's new album with Kiwi singer-songwriter Tim Finn, Matt's latest season of What We Do In the Shadows, how to make an album of TV themes, how Tubular Bells shaped Matt's future and what is the clavé and why can't you count it?

An accompanying playlist including all three albums is available at: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/01VKuxynbobE75zOIn4IVU?si=d5858d10c2d64992

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