In this episode of Your Marketing Dude, Mike Cuevas sits down with Joshua Pono, a 16-year real estate industry veteran known as “the systems guy.”Josh shares how most business owners — not just in real estate — are trapped working in their business instead of on it, and how the right systems can free you from chaos, burnout, and inefficiency. From his early struggles as an overworked agent to building scalable systems for brokerages, Josh explains the real difference between processes and systems, how to automate intelligently, and why your business should serve you — not the other way around. Whether you’re an agent, entrepreneur, or team leader, this conversation will help you finally put structure behind your hustle. Highlights: The Hard Truth About Most Entrepreneurs – Why most business owners (even great ones) are terrible operators — and how to fix it. Processes vs. Systems – Understanding the real difference and how both drive consistency and quality in your business. From Chaos to Control – Josh’s blueprint for turning a stressful, 80-hour-a-week grind into a systemized, profitable operation. Your browser does not support the video tag. 🎥 Watch Episode 1 Highlights