How to manage the government, it's the national topic at the moment. Right now the government is managed by Elon Musk and Doge. Or by cabinet secretaries who seem hell-bent on cutting away at their departments. Or at least it looks that way. Should we have a Department of Management? My next guest thinks so. I spoke with an outspoken retired federal chief human capital officer, and former political appointee, Jeff Neal. Plus, the shock waves reverberate. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Junior wants to trim a third of the employees. For analysis of what this might mean for agency operations, we turn to a long-serving HHS executive now in private consulting, Jeff Grant. Also, we turn to the topic of far-away feds. Federal employees and service members across the board face tough times. Sailors and Marines sometimes face special challenges when they return home, or they're still away at sea. That's where the Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society comes in. It's accepting applications for 2025-26 education grants. For details, I spoke with the society's chief operations officer, retired rear admiral Dawn Cutler. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.