“It is not an easy thing to believe in this bleeding world, that love is the trajectory that we’re on, that love is calling us home.” Yet love is what Elizabeth Oldfield, Host of the Sacred Podcast, and former director of the Theos think-tank, has tried to build her world on. Join  Jack and Stan as they speak with Elizabeth about her new book, Fully Alive: Tending to the Soul in Turbulent Times, and what it means to live generously, and fully, with others, in a world evermore disillusioned and divided.