What does “marriage is hard—it takes work” really mean? In this heartfelt conversation, Stephanie welcomes her very first guest—her husband Roland—to unpack one of the most common (and misunderstood) relationship clichés. Both having experienced painful first marriages and divorce, they share how that phrase once kept them trapped in dysfunction, tolerating behaviors that were actually incompatible with a healthy relationship.

Together, they explore:

• The difference between toxic “hard” (gaslighting, constant conflict, abuse, emotional immaturity) vs. healthy hard (self-awareness, growth, and honest conversations).

• Why endurance is not the same as doing the right work, and how misplaced effort fuels dysfunction.

• What healthy work looks like: emotional regulation, empathy, validation, accountability, setting boundaries, and owning your part without trying to “fix” someone else.

• Examples from their own marriage of safe conflict, grace, and how they keep their relationship “clean” so there’s space for joy, playfulness, and deep love.

If you’ve ever wondered:

• “Is my marriage supposed to feel this way?”

• “Are these struggles normal or red flags?”

• “What does healthy conflict even look like?”

…this candid episode offers clarity, hope, and practical insight. Stephanie and Roland talk about the work that does lead to healing, connection, and a “flipping awesome” marriage—versus the work that will leave you exhausted and unsafe.

Whether you’re single, dating, divorced, or currently married, you’ll walk away with a better understanding of what “hard” is worth leaning into—and what “hard” means it’s time to set boundaries or leave. Marriage should be safe, loving, and full of growth, not constant chaos. There’s a better way forward.

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